jj or karate

[bigeater]

What do you would be most fun to train, jui jutsy or karate? These are the two martial arts that are avaiable in my town. If I would live in a bigger town I would start boxing or muay thai.
I have something wrong with my rotator cuffs. A few years ago it hurt sometimes in my shoulders but now it doesn´t hurt it only a clicking noise from the rotator cuffs. My shoulders don´t get bigger when I train them.
Do you think I can train JJ or karate when I have this rotator cuff thing?


You can correct my spelling if I spelled something wrong.

[sonar1234]

You are stuck like me lol, except that i do even have Jiu Jistu,

I have Judo 34$ per session once per week every Saturday for 2 hours i think a session is 3 months.

[MuscleScience]

I did Karate for over two years along with taekwondo and BJJ for awhile until I had surgery from another issue. BJJ is a lot more practical and more real world. I got so burned out on Karate, having to do forms and stupid sh-t like that made no sense to me. BJJ all you do is learn how to fight. I learned more about fighting in the 3 or so months i did BJJ than all the other years of karate and taekwondo combined. It is also a much more intense workout, if your into that kind of thing

[bigeater]

I did Karate for over two years along with taekwondo and BJJ for awhile until I had surgery from another issue. BJJ is a lot more practical and more real world. I got so burned out on Karate, having to do forms and stupid sh-t like that made no sense to me. BJJ all you do is learn how to fight. I learned more about fighting in the 3 or so months i did BJJ than all the other years of karate and taekwondo combined. It is also a much more intense workout, if your into that kind of thing

I don´t think they have BJJ where I live. Are they doing much sparring like kicks, hits and knees in normal Jiu Jistu or are they just training techniques?

[sonar1234]

I did Karate for over two years along with taekwondo and BJJ for awhile until I had surgery from another issue. BJJ is a lot more practical and more real world. I got so burned out on Karate, having to do forms and stupid sh-t like that made no sense to me. BJJ all you do is learn how to fight. I learned more about fighting in the 3 or so months i did BJJ than all the other years of karate and taekwondo combined. It is also a much more intense workout, if your into that kind of thing

MuscleScience that is so damn true, and the main reason why i dont wanna get back into karate, and TKD, if i would take the short road back TKD i could be black belt within 6 months or so, i was blue belt when i stopped, TKD is fun dont get me wrong.

Couple week back i had a free pass to tryout at a new kyokushin school, again they sort of got stuck with forms and katas and it gets boring real fast.

Neighborood is growing, i can pertty much practice any karate i wish, Yosekan, Shorin Ryu, shotokan, kyokushin, kenpo, kickboxing, aikido (Wish is very expensive).

I found some Judo class once a week on Saturday that sounds interesting and its only 34$ for 3 months.

I am pertty sure that at some point Jiu Jistu and MMA will come around.

After all the evolution of martial arts is to learn everything, stand up and ground fighting.

[MuscleScience]

I don´t think they have BJJ where I live. Are they doing much sparring like kicks, hits and knees in normal Jiu Jistu or are they just training techniques?

Thats getting into the MMA realm which I should be more correct, thats what I was actually doing, BJJ is just a version of JJ its pretty similar. BJJ orJJ is lots of fun though, you can be a little guy and f some one up really good. the first week I started that I was thinking I was hot sh-t. I was about 215 at the time and started rolling (sparring) with this guy that was like 155 and 5'6 but he knew what he was doing and wooped my ass something proper.

[MuscleScience]

MuscleScience that is so damn true, and the main reason why i dont wanna get back into karate, and TKD, if i would take the short road back TKD i could be black belt within 6 months or so, i was blue belt when i stopped, TKD is fun dont get me wrong.

Couple week back i had a free pass to tryout at a new kyokushin school, again they sort of got stuck with forms and katas and it gets boring real fast.

Neighborood is growing, i can pertty much practice any karate i wish, Yosekan, Shorin Ryu, shotokan, kyokushin, kenpo, kickboxing, aikido (Wish is very expensive).

I found some Judo class once a week on Saturday that sounds interesting and its only 34$ for 3 months.

I am pertty sure that at some point Jiu Jistu and MMA will come around.

After all the evolution of martial arts is to learn everything, stand up and ground fighting.

Thats why I quit and went to BJJ and MMA much more practical and a lot more fun. It pains me to see a 10 year old kid with a black belt in karate. In BJJ it takes years to achieve blackbelt status. You actually have to roll against a master to move up in belts.

[zimmy]

the history behind bjj is that a jj master trained a gracie and he passed it down to his family. Do to the smaller stature of the gracie family...it was changed to fit the needs. They pretty much stripped it of all that bowing down to show respect stuff that asian arts have too. Basically it is grappling. If the place available to u is traditional jiu jitsu you probably won't have problems with your rotator cups. If it's bjj...take it REAL lite till you build up some strength. I have shoulder problems from bjj (bad luck) ... it is heavy on joints at times.

[Panzerfaust]

I can't tell you what you would enjoy more, only you can answer that for yourself. I will say that Judo or BJJ would be hard on your shoulder (IE: Kimura, KeyLock, Omoplata) and could definately hurt you bad.

I would try them both and you definately wanna make everyone aware that your shoulder is bad and to take it easy.
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HISTORY OF BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU

Jiu-Jitsu, which means gentle art is the oldest form of martial art. It originated in India more than 2000 years before Christ. It was created by monks who could not use any type of weapons to defend their lives against barbarian attacks. It spread through China, and eventually took root and was elaborated on in Japan becoming the first martial art style. The samurai clans in Japan adopted Jiu-Jitsu as their own traditional style to defeat an opponent regardless if the situation was striking, throwing or grappling. With the passing years, they split the techniques and developed other martial arts styles, such as judo, akido, karate, etc.

In 1914, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu champion Esai Maeda migrated to Brazil, where he was instrumental in establishing a Japanese immigrant community. His efforts were aided by Gastão Gracie, a Brazilian scholar and politician of Scottish descent. As an expression of his gratitude for Gracie's assistance, Maeda taught the Brazilian's oldest son Carlos the essential secrets of the ancient martial arts technique. Carlos taught Maeda's techniques to his four brothers, and in 1925 they opened the first Gracie Jiu-Jitsu academy in Brazil. For the Gracie brothers, teaching the art was more than an occupation. It was their passion.

One of the brothers, Helio Gracie, paid special interest to the use of the techniques. Helio being of small frame, light in weight (only 135 pounds), and in frail health, was 16 when he began learning Jiu-Jitsu. Being unable to participate in classes, he would sit and watch his older brother teach every day. One day when Carlos was unable to make it to class, Helio was asked to instruct. Because of his size and stature, he began to work with and adapt the basic rules of Jiu-Jitsu. He introduced the application of leverage to the art, making it possible for a smaller opponent to defeat a larger one. He began experimenting, modifying and enhancing the basic techniques to make them effective for a person regardless of his or her stature.Thus began the development of a new and more effective art - Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.


Helio's skills eventually enabled him to beat some of the world's greatest fighters. Helio's feats include the longest fight in recorded history - 3 hours and 45 minutes, nonstop - and the historic match against Masahiko Kimura, who was probably the greatest fighter Japan ever produced. Now in his 80's, Helio Gracie still teaches and is widely recognized as a living legend.

Helio's quest became today's Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, a martial art that is continuously evolving as a result of input from practitioners throughout the world. Much has been learned since 80 years ago when the Gracies began developing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Rickson Gracie, one of Helio's sons, has been the family champion for the past 20 years and is the ultimate embodiment of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

[MuscleScience]

I can't tell you what you would enjoy more, only you can answer that for yourself. I will say that Judo or BJJ would be hard on your shoulder (IE: Kimura, KeyLock, Omoplata) and could definately hurt you bad.

I would try them both and you definately wanna make everyone aware that your shoulder is bad and to take it easy.
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HISTORY OF BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU

Jiu-Jitsu, which means gentle art is the oldest form of martial art. It originated in India more than 2000 years before Christ. It was created by monks who could not use any type of weapons to defend their lives against barbarian attacks. It spread through China, and eventually took root and was elaborated on in Japan becoming the first martial art style. The samurai clans in Japan adopted Jiu-Jitsu as their own traditional style to defeat an opponent regardless if the situation was striking, throwing or grappling. With the passing years, they split the techniques and developed other martial arts styles, such as judo, akido, karate, etc.

In 1914, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu champion Esai Maeda migrated to Brazil, where he was instrumental in establishing a Japanese immigrant community. His efforts were aided by Gastão Gracie, a Brazilian scholar and politician of Scottish descent. As an expression of his gratitude for Gracie's assistance, Maeda taught the Brazilian's oldest son Carlos the essential secrets of the ancient martial arts technique. Carlos taught Maeda's techniques to his four brothers, and in 1925 they opened the first Gracie Jiu-Jitsu academy in Brazil. For the Gracie brothers, teaching the art was more than an occupation. It was their passion.

One of the brothers, Helio Gracie, paid special interest to the use of the techniques. Helio being of small frame, light in weight (only 135 pounds), and in frail health, was 16 when he began learning Jiu-Jitsu. Being unable to participate in classes, he would sit and watch his older brother teach every day. One day when Carlos was unable to make it to class, Helio was asked to instruct. Because of his size and stature, he began to work with and adapt the basic rules of Jiu-Jitsu. He introduced the application of leverage to the art, making it possible for a smaller opponent to defeat a larger one. He began experimenting, modifying and enhancing the basic techniques to make them effective for a person regardless of his or her stature.Thus began the development of a new and more effective art - Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.


Helio's skills eventually enabled him to beat some of the world's greatest fighters. Helio's feats include the longest fight in recorded history - 3 hours and 45 minutes, nonstop - and the historic match against Masahiko Kimura, who was probably the greatest fighter Japan ever produced. Now in his 80's, Helio Gracie still teaches and is widely recognized as a living legend.

Helio's quest became today's Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, a martial art that is continuously evolving as a result of input from practitioners throughout the world. Much has been learned since 80 years ago when the Gracies began developing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Rickson Gracie, one of Helio's sons, has been the family champion for the past 20 years and is the ultimate embodiment of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

Thanks for this post man I never heard the full story and history of BJJ before. im so into bjj though its awesome.

[zimmy]

i'm thinkin the only option for the guy is traditional JJ not BJJ

[bigeater]

i'm thinkin the only option for the guy is traditional JJ not BJJ

How much stand up fighting is it in JJ compared to ground/grappling? What do you train more of in JJ? I guess it´s good to know both so I can beat Wanderlei´s ass.

[zimmy]

I have only sat in on one JJ class and it just had some judo throws in that class.

[Billy_Bathgate]

i had a bout a year of traditional JJ, it was mostly stuff like simple strikes and some standing wrist locks and stuff. id say 95% was standup, the other 5% maybe being a simple judo type throw.

ive also taken karate too, id take trad JJ over karate for sure. in fact the only way i would take any karate ever again is if it were gojoru or however you spell it. its the only one ive ever thought was somewhat impressive.

now i do MT and BJJ. after a year of trad JJ how did i do in BJJ? haha man i got tooled so bad for a good 6 months, it made no help at all haha. however in MT it helped me some when learning the basics.

your sure they dont have a boxing place? maybe with the police dept even? or like a ymca with a judo club?

[bigeater]

i had a bout a year of traditional JJ, it was mostly stuff like simple strikes and some standing wrist locks and stuff. id say 95% was standup, the other 5% maybe being a simple judo type throw.

ive also taken karate too, id take trad JJ over karate for sure. in fact the only way i would take any karate ever again is if it were gojoru or however you spell it. its the only one ive ever thought was somewhat impressive.

now i do MT and BJJ. after a year of trad JJ how did i do in BJJ? haha man i got tooled so bad for a good 6 months, it made no help at all haha. however in MT it helped me some when learning the basics.

your sure they dont have a boxing place? maybe with the police dept even? or like a ymca with a judo club?

Thanks.
That`s good news for me because I like stand up fighting mostly. But it´s good if it´s both grappling and stand up.
There isn´t no boxingclub in my town. I live in a small town, when I move to a bigger city I maybe start with boxing or MT.
Do you burn much fat/calories when you train JJ/BJJ?

[MuscleScience]

Thanks.
That`s good news for me because I like stand up fighting mostly. But it´s good if it´s both grappling and stand up.
There isn´t no boxingclub in my town. I live in a small town, when I move to a bigger city I maybe start with boxing or MT.
Do you burn much fat/calories when you train JJ/BJJ?

BJJ is like a full body contractions. I have never done anything that was so kick ass before. I ran cross country and the way I felt after a five minute grapple was by far more kickass than CC.

[BigSwol]

I have dabbled in both traditional JJ and BJJ, also trained some MT and western boxing....or what we call "boxing". Traditional JJ is basically a pretty good blend of stand up and ground and the transition in between, ie take downs. Im guessing its your best option....just don't get brainwashed into thinking its the beat all end all. As some have said above training JJ and then going to judo or jiu jitsu....whole dif world. Its a good place to start, you'll learn alot of fundamentals which you can take to other arts in the future if you wish. Amount of sparring in a JJ school depends on the school, you should stop in and take a look, view a class....see if it's what ya want. Also make sure no matter what your train let your instructors and training partners your sholder issue. You may sound like a broken record but its better than having a broken sholder. Good luck

BigSwol

[bigeater]

I have dabbled in both traditional JJ and BJJ, also trained some MT and western boxing....or what we call "boxing". Traditional JJ is basically a pretty good blend of stand up and ground and the transition in between, ie take downs. Im guessing its your best option....just don't get brainwashed into thinking its the beat all end all. As some have said above training JJ and then going to judo or jiu jitsu....whole dif world. Its a good place to start, you'll learn alot of fundamentals which you can take to other arts in the future if you wish. Amount of sparring in a JJ school depends on the school, you should stop in and take a look, view a class....see if it's what ya want. Also make sure no matter what your train let your instructors and training partners your sholder issue. You may sound like a broken record but its better than having a broken sholder. Good luck

BigSwol

Thanks.

[bigeater]

BTW. Who has the best staredown in pride, "rampage jackson or wanderlei Silva?

[Panzerfaust]

BTW. Who has the best staredown in pride, "rampage jackson or wanderlei Silva?

Not even a valid question because it is so obvious. Wanderlei took Rampage's fighting spirit..and Shogun did'nt help either.

[zimmy]

BJJ is like a full body contractions. I have never done anything that was so kick ass before. I ran cross country and the way I felt after a five minute grapple was by far more kickass than CC.

I've got to disagree a lil...after a couple of years of it.. you really learn to conserve your strength and use more technique rather than pure power. It usually takes me 3 back to back 5 minute sparring sessions just to get a lil out of breathe. MT gives you a HELL OF a asswooping in terms of conditioning. Even with my bjj / kickboxing stamina...first day of traditional MT = running to the bathroom to vomit.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Thanks.
That`s good news for me because I like stand up fighting mostly. But it´s good if it´s both grappling and stand up.
There isn´t no boxingclub in my town. I live in a small town, when I move to a bigger city I maybe start with boxing or MT.
Do you burn much fat/calories when you train JJ/BJJ?

well like i said though only maybe 5% was down and it was nothing like bjj at all, it was like throw the guy down and then poke him in the eyes or step on his balls or something

honestly, now that i do muay thai i look back on the trad jj and kinda laugh. at the time i thought it was decent but really i think most of its crap, almost like some of the karate with stupid kata dances and shit. i probally wouldnt call it good. but if thats all you got? i gues i would but i wouldnt pay more than 40 a month on it tops. however, realise that whever you are thinking of taking it, is probally totally different than what i did. and who knows, it could be badass.


calories...well i didnt get shit off TJJ, when i started BJJ at first it was tough and i dropped probally a good 15 pounds not trying to

however when i started muay thai..man ive dropped like around 35 in like 9 months lol that shit is ****in hard and i havent found anything other than being inside a fire (im a firefighter) that is near touching it cardio wise


and ya..i lost a lot of muscle mass, but at my height i pretty much had to or i would be ****ed in about any tourney i went to

[Billy_Bathgate]

I've got to disagree a lil...after a couple of years of it.. you really learn to conserve your strength and use more technique rather than pure power. It usually takes me 3 back to back 5 minute sparring sessions just to get a lil out of breathe. MT gives you a HELL OF a asswooping in terms of conditioning. Even with my bjj / kickboxing stamina...first day of traditional MT = running to the bathroom to vomit.

lol totally agree!

i got promoted to my blue belt very easily after i started doing MT thanks to the conditioning it gave me

[sonar1234]

Holly cow 45 pounds from doing MT thats amazing.

Billy Bathgate your right bro the only damn shit i got around my place is dumb karate with flashy musical kata yeah they go all around the world and win medals and shit with point fighting system, and they are not cheap 50$ a month.

I dont mind paying the price but at the end of the line i got to learn stuff to defend myself i cant walk around with a big junkbox on my shoulder all the time and if i get in a fight ask the guy to wait til i start the music to perform my musical kata in front of him.

I actually insulted the women when i went to visit the school, well she asked for it anyways making me look lika barbaric moron when i told her i was a fan of MMA and tought that 50$ to learn kata was grossely over priced.

[Billy_Bathgate]

ya..i mean its good, but it sucks after spending liek 4 years in bodybuilding stuff just to go from 250 down to like 207, which my bad crunchin the numbers i guess its more like 35 but the point is the same. i mean, im short at 5'7" so from a boxing perspective, i should be like at like 145..but LMAO @ that, im not gonna go under 200

i know how you feel though, the places i train are right around an hour away..and that blows, and you have to figure in an extra freakin 50 60 bux a month just for the gas..but what can ya do. call the police station and ask if they know of any judo or boxing clubs. they could be there and just small and low key