Liddell-Jackson II

[wishmasterATM]

bet you said the same thing before the second randy vs chuck. IMO Rampage was the better fighter before he met Wandy and I honestly believe that was the end of his career. I also think Wandy is at the end of his career. Those shots begin to take their toll.

your a bit confused...but I Think liddel can handle rampage

[testisbest]

your a bit confused...but I Think liddel can handle rampage

Your right. My mistake.

[Hunter]

Ya but Rampages last to fights were...... well not even close to be good enough to beat Chuck(he puts his head down and comes in, Chucks going to lite him up). Now you say Rampage lost to Wandy and Shogun, 2 great fighters, but he hasnt been the same since. Im not comparing Hearing to Rampage but look what happened to Heath after getting fuc'd up by Fedor and Cro-cop, never the same, and now well see if Wandy comes back from back to back loses, if anyone can he will. But you also have to take into account what if Shogun gets the title, whats that leave for Wandy?

When he lost to shogun and wandy and was not looking good he was counter striking Page always does best when he gets off first. In the eastman fight he did got off first. Styles make fights and this is a bad style match up for chuck.

[Panzerfaust]

Chuck has improved dramatically since then but you guys forget the only losses Rampage has since he beat chuck was silvax2, and shogun. Wow he lost to two of the top three guys. Now lets look here both very aggressive and utilize the clinch. Chuck is not aggressive and does not have half of the clinch game shogun or wandy possess. Now on to the Marvin Eastman fight Eastman is a very good muay thai striker and has fought K1, he is no push over. Rampage Tko'ed him. Rampage has a very good chance of beating chuck I would 70% 30%

I patiently read through the responses and was waiting for someone to bring up the important details of this matchup.

It is easy to say "Chuck will win".."Rampage will win"...

The fact remains this:

Chuck is the poster boy of the "new" UFC and most casual viewers have been led to believe that he is unstoppable and is the best striker in the division. The "new" TUF fan will not have the knowledge to debate that ideology.

It is also VERY important tonote the type of competition Zuffa has laid before Chuck. Once again, to the casual viewer Chuck is fighting so and so and "destroying" them.

To someone who has trained and understands the technical details, Chuck has been fighting wrestlers with very little striking ability. I will be the first to admit that it is a brilliant marketing scheme and it has worked flawlessly. Chuck now has this huge reputation etc.

Enter Rampage:

Rampage by trade could be considered a wrestler seeing as how he wrestled in high school, but with his life experiences on the street he could also be classified as a brawler. He is tough as nails and can take a punch. He has trained extensively on his boxing and striking skills, he has some of the best striking defense on the feet (I said striking not clinch defense).

As noted, Eastman is a bad ass Muay Thai striker, could you not tell from watching the fight? I saw alot of improvements not only in Rampage's striking and head movement but mainly his mental attitude seemed to be back on track. He was moving forward and was even trying to hook up a Thai clinch of his own throughout the fight but Eastman would explode out of it (being a MT guy himself).

Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck, he is aggressive and has some of the hardest punches in the division, has a good chin and can take lots of punishment. His wrestling offense and defense is good.

I would break it down as follows:

Striking:

Hard to come right out and say who as both have a different approach, Rampage is better technically than Chuck, Chuck is sloppy but has power. Edge to Rampage!

Wrestling:

Tied w/ Rampage having the better offensive wrestling (slams, takedowns).

Cardio:

Rampage! Chuck is fine when he is allowed to set the pace, when the other fighter sets the pace he tends to gas. (Rampage, Couture I, Tiger White)

BJJ:

N/A


More complete fighter:

Rampage has shown he can do it all, he can strike, slam, GnP with the best of them.

Chuck's sprawl & brawl has worked well when facing wrestlers.

I am sure i could add more, but thats my 2 cents for now.

[testisbest]

I patiently read through the responses and was waiting for someone to bring up the important details of this matchup.

It is easy to say "Chuck will win".."Rampage will win"...

The fact remains this:

Chuck is the poster boy of the "new" UFC and most casual viewers have been led to believe that he is unstoppable and is the best striker in the division. The "new" TUF fan will not have the knowledge to debate that ideology.

It is also VERY important tonote the type of competition Zuffa has laid before Chuck. Once again, to the casual viewer Chuck is fighting so and so and "destroying" them.

To someone who has trained and understands the technical details, Chuck has been fighting wrestlers with very little striking ability. I will be the first to admit that it is a brilliant marketing scheme and it has worked flawlessly. Chuck now has this huge reputation etc.

Enter Rampage:

Rampage by trade could be considered a wrestler seeing as how he wrestled in high school, but with his life experiences on the street he could also be classified as a brawler. He is tough as nails and can take a punch. He has trained extensively on his boxing and striking skills, he has some of the best striking defense on the feet (I said striking not clinch defense).

As noted, Eastman is a bad ass Muay Thai striker, could you not tell from watching the fight? I saw alot of improvements not only in Rampage's striking and head movement but mainly his mental attitude seemed to be back on track. He was moving forward and was even trying to hook up a Thai clinch of his own throughout the fight but Eastman would explode out of it (being a MT guy himself).

Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck, he is aggressive and has some of the hardest punches in the division, has a good chin and can take lots of punishment. His wrestling offense and defense is good.

I would break it down as follows:

Striking:

Hard to come right out and say who as both have a different approach, Rampage is better technically than Chuck, Chuck is sloppy but has power. Edge to Rampage!

Wrestling:

Tied w/ Rampage having the better offensive wrestling (slams, takedowns).

Cardio:

Rampage! Chuck is fine when he is allowed to set the pace, when the other fighter sets the pace he tends to gas. (Rampage, Couture I, Tiger White)

BJJ:

N/A


More complete fighter:

Rampage has shown he can do it all, he can strike, slam, GnP with the best of them.

Chuck's sprawl & brawl has worked well when facing wrestlers.

I am sure i could add more, but thats my 2 cents for now.

you sound like a pride fan. All of your facts about Quinton are based on a big IF. If Rampage shows up for more than a pay check. His chin is questionable after the beatings he has taken. He clearly doesn't think he is ready for Chuck even though you say he has been fighting the best (I think he has as well). Look at Wandy vs Hendo, Chuck by KO.

[Hunter]

you sound like a pride fan. All of your facts about Quinton are based on a big IF. If Rampage shows up for more than a pay check. His chin is questionable after the beatings he has taken. He clearly doesn't think he is ready for Chuck even though you say he has been fighting the best (I think he has as well). Look at Wandy vs Hendo, Chuck by KO.

Quintons chin is anything but questionable he got finished with knees 22 to be exact by silva. In the second meeting a huge hook landed flush and he stayed up. Shogun he dislocated his rib and got clinched and soccor kicked. His weakness is the clinch and chuck does not really have a clinch. Rampage will take this fight.

[testisbest]

I know that his chin wasn't questionable. But IMO all of those blows that you mentioned have taken their toll. Which is what I meant by mentioning wandy vs hendo. Just because you eat punches and knees in the face for a few fights doesn't mean that you'll always be able to. History tells us the opposite. JMHO

[testisbest]

His other weakness' are, not wanting to fight Chuck, not wanting to train for a fight, and not wanting to be a fighter. If he is still as great as he was over 2 years ago, why would he want more fights? He is my favorite fighter but I don't think he'll make it to round 3.

[Panzerfaust]

testisbest = yawn

You do not have a clue, its obvious.

There was no mention of Pride or UFC in my post, you must post on Sherdog.

[BG]

I patiently read through the responses and was waiting for someone to bring up the important details of this matchup.

It is easy to say "Chuck will win".."Rampage will win"...

The fact remains this:

Chuck is the poster boy of the "new" UFC and most casual viewers have been led to believe that he is unstoppable and is the best striker in the division. The "new" TUF fan will not have the knowledge to debate that ideology.

It is also VERY important tonote the type of competition Zuffa has laid before Chuck. Once again, to the casual viewer Chuck is fighting so and so and "destroying" them.

To someone who has trained and understands the technical details, Chuck has been fighting wrestlers with very little striking ability. I will be the first to admit that it is a brilliant marketing scheme and it has worked flawlessly. Chuck now has this huge reputation etc.

Enter Rampage:

Rampage by trade could be considered a wrestler seeing as how he wrestled in high school, but with his life experiences on the street he could also be classified as a brawler. He is tough as nails and can take a punch. He has trained extensively on his boxing and striking skills, he has some of the best striking defense on the feet (I said striking not clinch defense).

As noted, Eastman is a bad ass Muay Thai striker, could you not tell from watching the fight? I saw alot of improvements not only in Rampage's striking and head movement but mainly his mental attitude seemed to be back on track. He was moving forward and was even trying to hook up a Thai clinch of his own throughout the fight but Eastman would explode out of it (being a MT guy himself).

Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck, he is aggressive and has some of the hardest punches in the division, has a good chin and can take lots of punishment. His wrestling offense and defense is good.

I would break it down as follows:

Striking:

Hard to come right out and say who as both have a different approach, Rampage is better technically than Chuck, Chuck is sloppy but has power. Edge to Rampage!

Wrestling:

Tied w/ Rampage having the better offensive wrestling (slams, takedowns).

Cardio:

Rampage! Chuck is fine when he is allowed to set the pace, when the other fighter sets the pace he tends to gas. (Rampage, Couture I, Tiger White)

BJJ:

N/A


More complete fighter:

Rampage has shown he can do it all, he can strike, slam, GnP with the best of them.

Chuck's sprawl & brawl has worked well when facing wrestlers.

I am sure i could add more, but thats my 2 cents for now.

I do not know how you can say Rampage has the striking advantage, putting your head down and throwing a loopy wild punch is quality striking. Chucks back peddling counter striking is unmatched, calculated, defensive striking at its best.

[Panzerfaust]

How can i say Rampage has a striking advantage? And i gave him the edge on technical striking.

Is it not obvious?


Please watch their first fight, hell watch any Rampage fight.

[goose]

I patiently read through the responses and was waiting for someone to bring up the important details of this matchup.

It is easy to say "Chuck will win".."Rampage will win"...

The fact remains this:

Chuck is the poster boy of the "new" UFC and most casual viewers have been led to believe that he is unstoppable and is the best striker in the division. The "new" TUF fan will not have the knowledge to debate that ideology.

It is also VERY important tonote the type of competition Zuffa has laid before Chuck. Once again, to the casual viewer Chuck is fighting so and so and "destroying" them.

To someone who has trained and understands the technical details, Chuck has been fighting wrestlers with very little striking ability. I will be the first to admit that it is a brilliant marketing scheme and it has worked flawlessly. Chuck now has this huge reputation etc.

Enter Rampage:

Rampage by trade could be considered a wrestler seeing as how he wrestled in high school, but with his life experiences on the street he could also be classified as a brawler. He is tough as nails and can take a punch. He has trained extensively on his boxing and striking skills, he has some of the best striking defense on the feet (I said striking not clinch defense).

As noted, Eastman is a bad ass Muay Thai striker, could you not tell from watching the fight? I saw alot of improvements not only in Rampage's striking and head movement but mainly his mental attitude seemed to be back on track. He was moving forward and was even trying to hook up a Thai clinch of his own throughout the fight but Eastman would explode out of it (being a MT guy himself).

Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck, he is aggressive and has some of the hardest punches in the division, has a good chin and can take lots of punishment. His wrestling offense and defense is good.

I would break it down as follows:

Striking:

Hard to come right out and say who as both have a different approach, Rampage is better technically than Chuck, Chuck is sloppy but has power. Edge to Rampage!

Wrestling:

Tied w/ Rampage having the better offensive wrestling (slams, takedowns).

Cardio:

Rampage! Chuck is fine when he is allowed to set the pace, when the other fighter sets the pace he tends to gas. (Rampage, Couture I, Tiger White)

BJJ:

N/A


More complete fighter:

Rampage has shown he can do it all, he can strike, slam, GnP with the best of them.

Chuck's sprawl & brawl has worked well when facing wrestlers.

I am sure i could add more, but thats my 2 cents for now.

Great post.....Your know your shit.I`m to be placing a bet on rampage,great odds.

[BG]

How can i say Rampage has a striking advantage? And i gave him the edge on technical striking

That was a Long time ago, he charged straight ahead, swinging for the trees. Chucks foot work is soooo much better now. Randy beat him with stand up, but not the second time.

[BG]

Great post.

He over glorified Rampage.

[Panzerfaust]

Ok, you wait and see May 26th

I cannot wait to browse the forums after people see Chuck fight someone who can strike and is not afraid to get in his face.

Chuck has not fought a legitimate striker since 2003 (Rampage)

[zimmy]

I think they are both sloppy strikers to be honest...but i don't think rampage will fear chuck at all which i think is one of his biggest advantages in the UFC

[pepperoni]

Ok, you wait and see May 26th

I cannot wait to browse the forums after people see Chuck fight someone who can strike and is not afraid to get in his face.

Chuck has not fought a legitimate striker since 2003 (Rampage)

I can't wait to browse them either, but for the opposite reason, to see the reactions to Rampage losing. but hey anything can happen, im curious Murilo, do u even give Chuck a chance? and how do u see the fight ending?

[rar1015]

I patiently read through the responses and was waiting for someone to bring up the important details of this matchup.

It is easy to say "Chuck will win".."Rampage will win"...

The fact remains this:

Chuck is the poster boy of the "new" UFC and most casual viewers have been led to believe that he is unstoppable and is the best striker in the division. The "new" TUF fan will not have the knowledge to debate that ideology.

It is also VERY important tonote the type of competition Zuffa has laid before Chuck. Once again, to the casual viewer Chuck is fighting so and so and "destroying" them.

To someone who has trained and understands the technical details, Chuck has been fighting wrestlers with very little striking ability. I will be the first to admit that it is a brilliant marketing scheme and it has worked flawlessly. Chuck now has this huge reputation etc.

Enter Rampage:

Rampage by trade could be considered a wrestler seeing as how he wrestled in high school, but with his life experiences on the street he could also be classified as a brawler. He is tough as nails and can take a punch. He has trained extensively on his boxing and striking skills, he has some of the best striking defense on the feet (I said striking not clinch defense).

As noted, Eastman is a bad ass Muay Thai striker, could you not tell from watching the fight? I saw alot of improvements not only in Rampage's striking and head movement but mainly his mental attitude seemed to be back on track. He was moving forward and was even trying to hook up a Thai clinch of his own throughout the fight but Eastman would explode out of it (being a MT guy himself).

Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck, he is aggressive and has some of the hardest punches in the division, has a good chin and can take lots of punishment. His wrestling offense and defense is good.

I would break it down as follows:

Striking:

Hard to come right out and say who as both have a different approach, Rampage is better technically than Chuck, Chuck is sloppy but has power. Edge to Rampage!

Wrestling:

Tied w/ Rampage having the better offensive wrestling (slams, takedowns).

Cardio:

Rampage! Chuck is fine when he is allowed to set the pace, when the other fighter sets the pace he tends to gas. (Rampage, Couture I, Tiger White)

BJJ:

N/A


More complete fighter:

Rampage has shown he can do it all, he can strike, slam, GnP with the best of them.

Chuck's sprawl & brawl has worked well when facing wrestlers.

I am sure i could add more, but thats my 2 cents for now.

Very well said man!! This is basically why i said/think in a previous post of mine why i think chucks going to lose his belt.

[goose]

He over glorified Rampage.

You will see punk


I cant wait to take the piss of you.

[BG]

You will see punk


I cant wait to take the piss of you.

Fuc you, want to bet some juice on it?????????

[BG]

Ok, you wait and see May 26th

I cannot wait to browse the forums after people see Chuck fight someone who can strike and is not afraid to get in his face.

Chuck has not fought a legitimate striker since 2003 (Rampage)

Oh you cant wait, I cant wait, its on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You comparing their fight in 03' is like saying Vitor would do the same to Wandy the second time around.

[Panzerfaust]

I can't wait to browse them either, but for the opposite reason, to see the reactions to Rampage losing. but hey anything can happen, im curious Murilo, do u even give Chuck a chance? and how do u see the fight ending?

I do not hate nor dislike Chuck one bit, he is actually one of my favorite UFC fighters. But i am talking technical details here, i will be the first to admit that "technical" does not always guarantee a win.

I am just pointing out the qualities Rampage brings to the fight and how that poses a serious threat to Chuck, i just feel it is a bad matchup for him.

[Panzerfaust]

Oh you cant wait, I cant wait, its on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You comparing their fight in 03' is like saying Vitor would do the same to Wandy the second time around.

Palease....

Last time i checked, Rampage does not give up mentally in every single fight dropping losses like a fat kid dropping powder from a donut.

Rampage is better than you give credit for.

[BG]

Palease....

Last time i checked, Rampage does not give up mentally in every single fight dropping losses like a fat kid dropping powder from a donut.

Rampage is better than you give credit for.

He is, but I still dont think he's got it in him anymore, maybe being UFC Champ is enough to drive him , but Chuck knows how it feels and isnt going to give it up, its ok for Rampage to dream, he once dreamt of being Pride champ also. This is going to be great, Im hyped up for this one, we throw a pretty good party for fights.

[BG]

Goose Goose come out where ever you are.

[goose]

After this fight I`m going to call you small guns.Look if chuck wins I will request to be banned.I`m that sure.MMA fighting has alot to do with series just like life.Chuck has had a good streak,his cardio and clich and knees are missing here.Rampage has faught better fighters in the last 3 years.I was impressed with his win over tito tho.Lets bet on me being banned and one of your jino kits that I would love;punk.

[guest589745]

Chuck is going down, I guarentee it. ANd I'm gonna giggle my muther****in ass off when he does.

[goose]

Chuck is going down, I guarentee it. ANd I'm gonna giggle my muther****in ass off when he does.

Agreed so are the guys that suspend you.Your a great member here.

[guest589745]

Agreed so are the guys that suspend you.Your a great member here.

Thanks man, means a lot from you.

[BG]

After this fight I`m going to call you small guns.Look if chuck wins I will request to be banned.I`m that sure.MMA fighting has alot to do with series just like life.Chuck has had a good streak,his cardio and clich and knees are missing here.Rampage has faught better fighters in the last 3 years.I was impressed with his win over tito tho.Lets bet on me being banned and one of your jino kits that I would love;punk.

Thats great.....small guns .