Baroni tests positive for steroids...

[BG]

Agreed BG, I'm just getting into the MMA scene and I agree that most ppl have no clue as to what conditioning entails..

If anyone saw the fight last night, the posterboy for conditioning is Shawn Sherk. That was unbelievable.

He brought it the WHOLE fight and ate a few sic knees in the process, if more guys trained like him, shit it would be worth the $39 more often.

[Quil]

Penn is going to be at the absolute top of his game to have anything for Sherk. I think he is the only lightweight that's even in the same ballpark right now, just because he's so good on the ground and on his back.

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there are some 155s from brazil, japan, and the netherlands that would give sherk a good run... i'm intrested to see if they come to the ufc.

[BG]

Any word on Gomi/Sherk??

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rumors are brewing... i have heard that gomi was there and watched...... i don't think gomi will stand a chance... no stand up can go against sherk... i wanna see aurelio, or hansen. they both have beaten gomi. aurelio is top on the ground and hansen has nasty knees...... which was shown to be effective on sherk's shoot... even though franca couldn't finish him with one.

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on that note... i believe penn has beat gomi as well.

[Renesis]

Personally I don't think juicing really is cheating in fighting. My friend trains MMA at a gym, I train at home and with my father who was a martial artist and a street fighter (bad place he lived in). Now my friend juices and that is a fact, I don't and I have no problem handling him when we practice together. Im faster because hes a bit to bulky, my punches have more whip to them because my muscle mass is mostly for hitting as to where his is for heavy lifting. His flexibilty is also limited in part to the extra muscle he carries on his frame (yes I know though stretching would take care of this problem as he isn't ronnies size). Regardless even on the ground I can hold my own and yes hes stronger not much but he is. Fighting is all intelligence it isn't a lets go out and smash the guy with a blind fury. You are constantly thinking where will he hit how will I counter, what do I do now that he has me down, or how can I open a gap from the top to hit him from the full guard. Your mind has to be as trained as your body or you fail. It also doesn't help that my friend is the cockiest person in the world leaving him open to stupid mistakes.

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well i guess if i had a dad that took tae kwon do and got in to street fights then i would know as much as you.. oh well.... i guess i could be wrong on thinking that performance enhancing drugs could enhance your performance.... i dunno... i do know that i have trained for a while in mma... i acknowledge that smarts and technique are the basis.. i just am not blind to the fact that being stronger WILL help in fighting...

[Renesis]

Well like you said strength definitely helps, but only for so much in MMA. Look at Fedor vs Randleman. Randleman obviously overpowers him because of the steroid strength, but once on the ground Fedors superior knowledge and skills in grappling got Randleman locked in a kimura. The thing is when you train for boxing/striking your punches power comes from the hip to the shoulder movement so that as you contact your arm is more like a whip then a sledgehammer. All your weight is focused upon the strike and that whip action makes one hell of an impact. That is hard to obtain when your bulkier, hell I know this because when I bulk it destroys my punching ability. Now I agree with you strength helps in locks/holds/and ground game, but how much does strength really help for punching power?? Only if you can develop that strength without putting on a lot of muscle mass does it count for something. Relying to much on strength is also a bad thing, how many times can you be in a fight and say well shoot I can always outmuscle him if he gets me down... or if he gets on me ill just squat him and slam him.

[Quil]

rumors are brewing... i have heard that gomi was there and watched......

They showed Mach Sakurai in the audience on the PPV...don't know if that's who you were talking about or not. After seeing Gomi's last fight against Diaz, I don't see him having much for Sherk. And Penn has already beaten him.

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They showed Mach Sakurai in the audience on the PPV...don't know if that's who you were talking about or not. After seeing Gomi's last fight against Diaz, I don't see him having much for Sherk. And Penn has already beaten him.

no.. i would have recongnized gomi.... i'm more of a pride fan than ufc.. i didn't see him i just heard the rumor... guess we'll see.

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Well like you said strength definitely helps, but only for so much in MMA. Look at Fedor vs Randleman. Randleman obviously overpowers him because of the steroid strength, but once on the ground Fedors superior knowledge and skills in grappling got Randleman locked in a kimura. The thing is when you train for boxing/striking your punches power comes from the hip to the shoulder movement so that as you contact your arm is more like a whip then a sledgehammer. All your weight is focused upon the strike and that whip action makes one hell of an impact. That is hard to obtain when your bulkier, hell I know this because when I bulk it destroys my punching ability. Now I agree with you strength helps in locks/holds/and ground game, but how much does strength really help for punching power?? Only if you can develop that strength without putting on a lot of muscle mass does it count for something. Relying to much on strength is also a bad thing, how many times can you be in a fight and say well shoot I can always outmuscle him if he gets me down... or if he gets on me ill just squat him and slam him.

i agree 100 % with you here...technique does out weigh strength.. i just hate it when people get on here and talk about steroids not helping a fighter at all.
and fedor IS the best example for a fighter being good with out juice...... if he doesn't, which i don't think he does, but you never know.

[BG]

even though franca couldn't finish him with one.

2 the second being a nice one too lol. I would just love to see Sherk fuc up Gomi, but Sherk does need to set up his takedowns better, I think it was Gracie that Gomi made eat a serious knee right in the beginning of the fight for a KO. Man Ive always been a Sherk fan, same name, build and wrestling background, but damn his movement on top and bottom impressed me. I think he needs to put a little more viciousness behind his punchs and elbows when he's down. On a side note, man silva has some heavy hands and not just from standing.

[IBdmfkr]

i agree 100 % with you here...technique does out weigh strength.. i just hate it when people get on here and talk about steroids not helping a fighter at all.
and fedor IS the best example for a fighter being good with out juice...... if he doesn't, which i don't think he does, but you never know.

So now Fedor doesn't juice? lol

Even Gracie tested positive for Nandrolone I believe. What idiot would run Deca knowing the half-life.
A fighter should stick to suspension and other compounds similar knowing a test might be sprung on them.

[Renesis]

Fedor does not show any signs of juicing. Have you looked at the guy? His muscles have a very soft and flexible look to them, hes not dense at all. Also have you ever watched the guy train at all??? Hes a very old school type trained man, I rarely see him use weights he just trains like someone looking to be the greatest and stay the greatest, sledges to wheels, rubber bands for resistance, sit ups, push ups, pull ups. I really doubt he juices.

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i don't know if he does or not but i would be surprised if he did.... if i juiced and looked like him i would be pissed... lol....
on a side note... i think we got off topic on this thread.

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2 the second being a nice one too lol. I would just love to see Sherk fuc up Gomi, but Sherk does need to set up his takedowns better, I think it was Gracie that Gomi made eat a serious knee right in the beginning of the fight for a KO. Man Ive always been a Sherk fan, same name, build and wrestling background, but damn his movement on top and bottom impressed me. I think he needs to put a little more viciousness behind his punchs and elbows when he's down. On a side note, man silva has some heavy hands and not just from standing.

ralph gracie.... 6 second fight
did you ever see silva's tap out from chonan's heel hook???? nasty!

[IBdmfkr]

i don't know if he does or not but i would be surprised if he did.... if i juiced and looked like him i would be pissed... lol....
on a side note... i think we got off topic on this thread.

80% of the guys in the gyms around me juice and have a soft flexible look lol..
I'd be pretty disappointed if I were them too. I'd say 80% of the ppl on this site that juice probably don't "look" the part.

Steroids are used for much more than muscle development when it comes to sports.
I just don't see how anyone can say, "this person juice or this person doesn't". Pretty ignorant conclusions.

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most conclusions on these sites are ignorant... i don't think fedor has to juice.. obviously i don't know as i stated above.. i would just guess that he doesn't over others.

[BG]

ralph gracie.... 6 second fight
did you ever see silva's tap out from chonan's heel hook???? nasty!

No but Ive seen how long Silva's feet are, maybe more guys should go for it, maybe his weakness !

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lol @ long feet...
ps it was a flying heel hook... nasty. he was taping almost before chonan hit the ground

[BG]

lol @ long feet...
ps it was a flying heel hook... nasty. he was taping almost before chonan hit the ground