Lesnar Mir fight.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

http://www.zshare.net/download/71427146be4e72/

[Pooks]

Good thing Mir knows Jiu Jitsu, anyone else would had shit their pants.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

Yeah, but i think he will do well in the sport.

[Pooks]

Bob Sapp versus Lesnar LOL

[xpijeonx]

Bob Sapp versus Lesnar LOL

Thats exactly what I was thinking...

I think they also need to do a UFC "do or die" PPV or fight night. if you lose you're done in the UFC. If you win you get a decent pay check and get to sign I dunno a 3 fight contract? I think some of the heavies need to be tossed as well as other divisions.

[dameter21]

just watched the fight, Lesner lost but that dude is one bad motha he needs some take defense and more time. He's by far the strongest and backed by better endurance than light weight guys. when it first started it looked as if Brock was gonna kill him, but he made a rookie mistake and got into a simple ankle lock.

[nalbano34]

looks like you need to weather the storm with lesnar then all is good. He comes out hard as hell.

[J-Dogg]

Broc would probably do better taking his time with his ground and pound. Those short hammer first don't see quite as effective as a well landed hit.

He is massive though, if he can learn some take down defense and some subs of his own, he'll be very good.

[hobbs9963]

MMA weeded out the boring ground and pound style of earlier years. While Brock was trying football, WWE and whatever else, these guys are constantly perfecting their skills. It's their fulltime job. I think he knew he was going to get his a## kicked but you can't blame the man for trying.

[Mighty Joe]

I didn't see the fight a buddy taped it and I will see it today. Brock is a big boy......I wonder if he is on the gas???

The skill and athletecism of some of these MMA boys is inspiring to my workouts.

MJ

[sorel_C]

that fight was the biggest disapointment,, the whole time i thought lessner was ganna take him out in under 3 mins,, but he definatly has skill and potential to excel in UFC, just needs more practice

[test_cyp]

Lesnar will be a top name in the sport. Mir is one of the best at submissions and it shows. Lesnar should learn a valuable lesson on legs locks and this might have been better off this way. I am very dissapointed in the stoppage by Steve Mazzagatti and the point deduction. Everyone else gets a warning and says "don't hit the back of the head".

[Pooks]

Lesnar will be a top name in the sport. Mir is one of the best at submissions and it shows. Lesnar should learn a valuable lesson on legs locks and this might have been better off this way. I am very dissapointed in the stoppage by Steve Mazzagatti and the point deduction. Everyone else gets a warning and says "don't hit the back of the head".

I disagree... I watched the fight over a bunch of times now.. Lesnar hit him in the back of the head at least 3 times... Yes Mir, turned away, he turned inside towards brock, but Brock kept on Hammer fisting..

Yes most get a warning.. but Brock does not have much MMA experience, so it seemed like he was just going on Instinct and wasn't really aware he was hitting Mir in the back of the head.. that is dangerous..

SO i agree with the Judge, deduct the point.. this was its a learning lesson for Lesnar so next time when Mir turns away, he will actually "think" before hammer fisting.

I also don't think it saved Mir,,, Mir wanted to be in that position, he was starting to get his ground game on, when Maseratti stepped in..
but yah illegal hits to the head def would not help Mir, for sure.. so good call by the judge.

[sooners04]

Good thing Mir knows Jiu Jitsu, anyone else would had shit their pants.

Anyone who is going to contend in the UFC knows jiu jitsu, so Lesnar needs about a lOTmore jiu jitsu just to compete. He might get a win here and there against less than average guys but he is a LONG way from being a factor.

[zimmy]

if not jiu jitsu...atleast enough to defend like some of the former wrestlers do in it.

[rockinred]

I guess I see things different... I am not one of the guys who subscribe to the belief that you have to be an "mma guy only" to get any kind of respect. I don't see how Mir demonstrating some superb skill other than getting rolled the whole fight he looked scared and kind of looked like the deer in the headlights then he got a break in the end. he didn't weather the storm and go to work at all.

Who said the ground and pound is boring? you are right in saying it has faded out and a lot of styles have, but I am the paying subscriber, and I like the mixture and the element of the unkown in fights. Not two experts at jiu jitsu going at it. then to me, it just becomes another form of wrestling with submission instead of pinning as the final objective. Not saying jiu jitsu isn't a great form of fighting and sport, but if UFC and cage fighting turns into that only, imo, it is not worth being a "pay perview event" just for that.

In this fight brock was destroying him and in control the whole fight. Even when mir was trying to get in the guard brock had control of him. Good matchup.. entertaining!

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

MMA weeded out the boring ground and pound style of earlier years. While Brock was trying football, WWE and whatever else, these guys are constantly perfecting their skills. It's their fulltime job. I think he knew he was going to get his a## kicked but you can't blame the man for trying.

I dont know what fight you watched, but he didnt get his ass kicked. Yes he lost, but ass kicked, I think not.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

Lesnar will be a top name in the sport. Mir is one of the best at submissions and it shows. Lesnar should learn a valuable lesson on legs locks and this might have been better off this way. I am very dissapointed in the stoppage by Steve Mazzagatti and the point deduction. Everyone else gets a warning and says "don't hit the back of the head".

Yeah, I thought that was pretty disgusting too.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

I disagree... I watched the fight over a bunch of times now.. Lesnar hit him in the back of the head at least 3 times... Yes Mir, turned away, he turned inside towards brock, but Brock kept on Hammer fisting..

Yes most get a warning.. but Brock does not have much MMA experience, so it seemed like he was just going on Instinct and wasn't really aware he was hitting Mir in the back of the head.. that is dangerous..

SO i agree with the Judge, deduct the point.. this was its a learning lesson for Lesnar so next time when Mir turns away, he will actually "think" before hammer fisting.

I also don't think it saved Mir,,, Mir wanted to be in that position, he was starting to get his ground game on, when Maseratti stepped in..
but yah illegal hits to the head def would not help Mir, for sure.. so good call by the judge.

Even more of a reason he should have gotten a warning.

[BullDogg20]

Brock made Mir look like a little school kid, if it wasn't for a "rookie" Mistake he would have WON that fight by stoppage within the first round. I think loosing this fight was a good thing for Brock it teaches him a valuable lesson.

[BG]

I am very dissapointed in the stoppage by Steve Mazzagatti and the point deduction. Everyone else gets a warning and says "don't hit the back of the head".

Ya but he hit sooo many times in a row, maybe if it was one or two, but he was pounding him, that take it toll.

[Pooks]

Brock made Mir look like a little school kid, if it wasn't for a "rookie" Mistake he would have WON that fight by stoppage within the first round. I think loosing this fight was a good thing for Brock it teaches him a valuable lesson.

Time will tell,

Learning the ground game is gonna take some time.

[hobbs9963]

I'm a paying subscriber as well and want to see a good fight just like anyone else. I'm just saying that i'll take a guy with Mir's experience over a guy that just stepped in the ring. Rookie mistakes will plague him forever if he continues to fight the likes of Mir. He needs to go to Bas Ruttan and get some schooling. Nothing against Brock, i wish him all the luck.

[sooners04]

The problem I have is that Lesnar has ONE MMA fight under his belt and he was already labeled a contender. WTF! You know how many guys are out there that have MANY MMA fights under their belt and all they get is maybe a shot at TUF. Lesnar is not ready and it showed.

[getpaid]

The problem I have is that Lesnar has ONE MMA fight under his belt and he was already labeled a contender. WTF! You know how many guys are out there that have MANY MMA fights under their belt and all they get is maybe a shot at TUF. Lesnar is not ready and it showed.

Just look at dude, thats why!! Who doesnt want to see that shrek M'fkr in the octagon?? Oh well either way he will be very exciting to watch, he is what people want to see, BIG and POWERFUL!! He will defininetly have a lot of success!!

[sphincter]

wow. that's all I can say. How can anyone call what happend to Lesnar a "geting caught" or anything like that? How can you think it's LUCK that Mir owned him on the ground game and submitted him? Brock, though possibly a force to come, is and will be a nothing without some serious training. He lost to a basic move but aren't ALL BJJ moves pretty Basic? Armbar?? chokes?? all basics.

Apparently we have quite a few fans of TNA and WWE wrestling in here who really need to understand there's a difference between play fighting and seriously training in a battle-tested martial art (or several of them) and testing it against others who do the same.

I called it as soon as I heard Brock was fighting Mir.. Mir submition easily and it was. ONLY chance Brock had was a lucky punch (yes, lucky) while Mir was in the process of shooting or sinking a submission.

[abombing]

wow. that's all I can say. How can anyone call what happend to Lesnar a "geting caught" or anything like that? How can you think it's LUCK that Mir owned him on the ground game and submitted him? Brock, though possibly a force to come, is and will be a nothing without some serious training. He lost to a basic move but aren't ALL BJJ moves pretty Basic? Armbar?? chokes?? all basics.

Apparently we have quite a few fans of TNA and WWE wrestling in here who really need to understand there's a difference between play fighting and seriously training in a battle-tested martial art (or several of them) and testing it against others who do the same.

I called it as soon as I heard Brock was fighting Mir.. Mir submition easily and it was. ONLY chance Brock had was a lucky punch (yes, lucky) while Mir was in the process of shooting or sinking a submission.

He did "get caught". Lesnar got careless and got caught. Up to that point he was beating the crap out of Mir. I don't give a crap about WWE or TNA, but with a little more experience Lesnar will be a serious threat to anyone. Mir catching a submission was basically the only way he was going to win that fight. And for anyone that said Lesnar was going to gas out you obviously didn't see the UFC special on his training. I guarantee Mir would have gassed first.

[sooners04]

Lesnar didn't "get caught", anyone who practices jiu jitsu knows not to let the guy on the ground wrap his leg behind yours when your standing. Obviously a knee bar is an option but also a sweep or heel hook from that position. He got owned because his jiu jitsu knowledge is less than mine, which is pretty SAD.

[zimmy]

Mir did not set him up for that at all... he was making it very obvious. I dont' think he did horrible but I can see that he thought he could rely on strength. He got out of an armbar in a very lucky / impractical way. Honestly... most guys in the UFC would have taken the armbar a few times over but Mir has a very loose guard.

[sphincter]

Zimmy, Sooners, and I seeem to be saying the same thing. YES, Lesnar is a big guy with big power but very little training and training overcomes power 99% of the time. if and when Lesnar's Jiu Jitsu improves to the point he can avoid many of the manuevers and locks that are easily applied in Jiu Jitsu the nMAYBE he can force the fight to stay standing and that is how he will likely win fights.

He is NOT going to be getting into BJJ competitions with the UFC guys but he CAN learn enough to get out of their world and into a place where he can use his power and size. IF Lesnar can come up to speed quickly (and before he loses too many more fights) he could easily get a chance to be someone who leaves a mark in the sport-fighting world that is UFC.

Question for the guys who think Lesnar was "destroying" Mir... If a big dude like Brock was going to kick your ass and you had a "secret move" that could even the feild or even tip it in your favor.. would you stand and Bang with the guy or use your secret move?? In this case it was no secret.. it was jiu jitsu.. the gaping whole in Lesnar's fight game.

Mir quickly and intentionally was on the ground so as to implement the BJJ moves to win the fight. Not saying Mir didn't get hit or even get hit good but he never got rocked or lost his legs/ got wobbly or anything like that.. never in real danger of losing the fight.

[zimmy]

I will tell you one t hing... for a big guy... he has some FAST punches. Normally they are a little slugish at that size...but his were moving quite fast and didn't seem to wind him at all. I do think he will be a great fighter if he had came up right...but he is in the big show now and if he doesn't win they'll cut him. I kinda wish he developed a lil in a smaller venue and then came to UFC.

[rockinred]

sphinct,

I don't know who lesnar was until I heard about this fight. I don't watch WWE or any wrestling. I think the last time I watched it was when it was called wwf and hulk hogan was wrestling andre the giant. I was a kid...

I am not trying to take anything away from mir in my post... he flat out won the fight in the end... the thing I don't like is people saying that this lesnar dude wouldn't last one second in the octagon, this,this and that. after the fight everyone gets on saying he got destroyed and I told you so... whatever.

now you say this was all part of a master grapplers plan? It is never no fighters plan to use there face as a punching bag to lewer some in to an ankle lock??? Mir got up all bloody and acted like he won the olympics... if this guy was some joke why did he act like that? Also, I have seen plenty of great BJJ fighters like the Gracie's and they did take some punches at time, but the majority of the time he was not getting poundedand, then setting the opponent up like you are claiming mir did. THIS, Mir did not do anything at all the majority of the fightl... he got a break and that's the only way I see it.

I like all style fighters and call it how i see it.. I am not all hung up on anything or any style. A guy loses he loses... plain and simple... the victory is impressive or it isn't... plain and simple. I am not going to sit here and say if you knew anything about this you would know... come on bro,, in 93' I was in the army watching UFC 1.. it was not outlawed in the state I lived in at that time... I've watched all of these and have an opinion, not a know it all like if you knew bjj then this or that... whatever.

[Jojoe]

I'm an Ametuer MMA fighter and was thier for my boy Terry's fight and will tell you he got caught and only cause he wasn't experianced enough. Give the guy time and he'll rule the division for some time. It's easy to say anyone who knows BJJ should know better or saw the submission coming even. Easier for a fan to do it has well til your thier and get punched in the face or put in some submisson. Plans go out the window once that happens I have 8 fights already and still get submitted while sparring with some of my team even though I know its coming. Sometimes ya just get careless, over confident or dont believe the other guy can pull it off.

[Jojoe]

I knew it was gonna be a lower body submission. Your not gonna choke that no neck sucker and he's so strong arm bars oare tough to pull out so I knew a knee bar or heel hook would be the best way to go. Actually won 300 from a fan who thought i was just talking crap and didnt know what i was talking about

[BullDogg20]

Mir probably preferred to be on the ground but he didn't own Lesnar On the ground in any way whats so ever, He tried for a few arm bars and couldnt put them on Brock, Brock was Pounding him into smitherins (LOL) while on the ground, Lesnar simply needs more experience so these types of things wont happen again or at least wont happen so easily again. because anyone can make a mistake, he just made a Bad Rookie Mistake...


I want to see Lesnar fight someone like Tim Sylvia, i think it would be a great match up for him and IMO, i think Lesnar would seriously beat sylvia up bad.

[sphincter]

I am agreeing with all of you that Lesnar is a big guy, that he has good power, and that IF he gets up to speed with the ground game that is required in MMA, he can be a great force.

I just disagree that he had any real chance in this fight aside from a quick knockout which Mir did not seem to be in danger of, though he did take some good hits. I didn't say Mir was luring him onto the ground by using his face as a target but i DID say Mir's plan was, and should have been to get it on the ground. Maybe try to understand what is written instead of getting all defensive because your boy lost due to his inexperience.. Mir was the 3 time champion for Chrissakes!

[rockinred]

lol...my boy... I guess I am going a little overboard with this thread... I did pick him to win. anyhow, didn't mean to sound defensive to anyone...peace

I come on here for fun. I can get into these debates with my boys here at home.

[sooners04]

sphinct,

I don't know who lesnar was until I heard about this fight. I don't watch WWE or any wrestling. I think the last time I watched it was when it was called wwf and hulk hogan was wrestling andre the giant. I was a kid...

I am not trying to take anything away from mir in my post... he flat out won the fight in the end... the thing I don't like is people saying that this lesnar dude wouldn't last one second in the octagon,YOUR RIGHT HE LASTED 90 SECONDS! LOL this,this and that. after the fight everyone gets on saying he got destroyed and I told you so... whatever.

now you say this was all part of a master grapplers plan? It is never no fighters plan to use there face as a punching bag to lewer some in to an ankle lock??? DID YOU SEE THE SYLVIA NOG FIGHT? THAT STRATEGY SEEMED TO WORK FOR BIG NOG Mir got up all bloody and acted like he won the olympics... HE WAS EXCITED BECAUSE HE SHUT UP ALL THE HYPE BEHIND LESNARif this guy was some joke why did he act like that? Also, I have seen plenty of great BJJ fighters like the Gracie's and they did take some punches at time, but the majority of the time he was not getting poundedand, then setting the opponent up like you are claiming mir did.UFC 2 OR 3 ROYCE COULDN'T EVEN FINISH THE TOURNEY, STEVE JENNUM STEPPED IN, BUT YOU SAY HE DIDN'T TAKE ANY PUNISHMENT? THIS, Mir did not do anything at all the majority of the fightl... he got a break and that's the only way I see it. SO ANYTIME SOMEONE GETS A SUBMISSION, ITS CALLED GETTING A BREAK? WHAT ABOUT HIS GRAPPLING SKILLS JUST BEING BETTER?

I like all style fighters and call it how i see it.. I am not all hung up on anything or any style. A guy loses he loses... plain and simple... the victory is impressive or it isn't... plain and simple. I am not going to sit here and say if you knew anything about this you would know... come on bro,, in 93' I was in the army watching UFC 1.. it was not outlawed in the state I lived in at that time... I've watched all of these and have an opinion, not a know it all like if you knew bjj then this or that... whatever.

MY RESPONSE IN BOLD

[IamtheChitt]

Lol, this debate could go on forever. I am not a wrestling fan, I was hoping for Mir to win and I am glad that the fight ended like it did. But I do think that Lesnar will be a force to be reckoned with in the future. I think Lesnar overpowered MIr standing and on the ground, but of course, superior bjj won the fight. On the other hand, I think Lesnar had a chance to win this fight if not for a rookie mistake.

[Jojoe]

LOL Lesnar's not my Boy Terry Martin is. We both train in the same gym