taewkondo

[Necrosaro]

Being in Tae Kwon Do for 18 years this thread is a disgrace. Please don't diss something unless you have done a martial art right to black belt and have been determined to it.

People think they can become Bruce Lee in a matter of weeks or years which it doesn't happen. It takes time for not only your muscles to adapt to the complex movements but your mind as well.

*To answer all the posts in this thread*

Bench Machine: You get what you pay for, if you do a cycle of riods do you take it half pass or with a poor diet...no of course not.

fitguy: Cardio in Tae Kwon Do is demanding. I have came out of many classes so exhausted that I couldn't lift my legs or move. Sparring is demnading sicne using your legs require so much more stanima then using your arms.


Bench Machine: Most of the kicks are like bread and butter to all martial arts. Some are very advanced and take months or even years to get done properly. Even doing some of the simpler kicks is something we work on to perfect.

derek7m: If you think cardio is easy in Tae Kwon Do, come join a class with me It will change your mind 1/4th the way through.

mn_fighter: Yes it doesn't have much ground work however there are other martial arts that can make up for that. We were equipment to protect ourselfs. Emagine a kick comming at your head without a head protector. I already had a Stage Three Concussion from it let alone comming at your stomach. Kicks have so much more power and speed behind them and how needs to be hurt and waste your training days!

WARMachine: I also challange you to come on down and train with me. It will change your mind!

swol_je: Yes I am glad you have trained to 2nd Degree black belt(however I found from being 6-13 is quite fast to get to 2nd Degree Black Belt.) I get one test a year if I am lucky just for a stripe and I need 4 tests before passing my Dan. Tae Kwon Do is like test in steroids . A good base!

igorotsp: Nice post, don't even explain why its bad or worthless.

T-MOS: There is some merrit to your post. We are trained to the point that we never have to use it. At lease hopefully won't have too in life. However they don't teach "use different parts of foot to "slap" a point in instead of proper way if you wanted to kill someone." But more to how to do it properly. Any martial art though can be used to kill someone and that is why there is a reason to why you are trained by learning the "student creed"

PittBoy: Yes there are different types of schools out there that teach Tae Kwon Do. But isn't there many forms of test out there as well but pretty well do the same thing. Everyone has there own take as to which is better or change a small thing to make it a bit different.

Geordi LaForge: Boxing to teach punching....Tae Kwon Do to teach kicking. You are comparing apples to orabnges here.

elpropiotorvic: Bullcrap! Anyone can post something up on youtube just from watching a video they bought at Wallmart. Tae Kwon Do has contact but we do it in a safe manner to benifit both fighters.

Bench Machine: Don't get me started!

thai-lan: Maybe I should make fun of you? How would you like that! But I won't because I was taught to respect others and other martial arts. They have put hard work into learning and becoming at something they want to learn.

T-MOS: This is how a rule got put into place to prevent this from happening again.

A2thej2008: Where is your research. Sure you can make an opinion but in all honesty everyone has opinions and to what is good or not. That is why there are choices in life. Have you done several martial arts before for at lease min 1 year each to be able to comment like this?

thai-lan: Yes this dude and beat this dude or vice versa but when it comes down to it all every student in every martial art is different therefore things can happen. Look at Ultimate Fighter and on how many fights I could name where fighters have fought the same fighter more then once and lost once and won once before.

Brown Ninja: Close..."|The art of Kicking and Punching" or "The art of unarmed combat". A good example

After seeing a lot of posts I could keep going on. I don't want to be flamming or making people hate me because of this post but in all honesty this thread got to be and felt like I needed to put my side out there. Sure Tae Kwon Do isn't all the shit and everything(Perfect). Nothing is and that is why you need a little bit of everything.

[amcon]

BJJ (best to win on the ground)
Freestyle Wrestling (best for ground control)
Muay Thai (best all around stand up)
Boxing (best for the hands)
MMA (putting it all together)

but, all of those have rules... for self defense I would go Krav or something like that...

my .02

sambo... is my vote

-i am a wrestler and it has save my ass tons!!! that mixed with boxing is a deadly combination, great cardio all over

-muay thai will devistate most street fighters - cause of the continous blows and the "kill" shots with the knees, great cardio

-any of these listed will help you in a fight... all have some good cardio the three like are above

[amcon]

Being in Tae Kwon Do for 18 years this thread is a disgrace. Please don't diss something unless you have done a martial art right to black belt and have been determined to it.

People think they can become Bruce Lee in a matter of weeks or years which it doesn't happen. It takes time for not only your muscles to adapt to the complex movements but your mind as well.

*To answer all the posts in this thread*

Bench Machine: You get what you pay for, if you do a cycle of riods do you take it half pass or with a poor diet...no of course not.

fitguy: Cardio in Tae Kwon Do is demanding. I have came out of many classes so exhausted that I couldn't lift my legs or move. Sparring is demnading sicne using your legs require so much more stanima then using your arms.


Bench Machine: Most of the kicks are like bread and butter to all martial arts. Some are very advanced and take months or even years to get done properly. Even doing some of the simpler kicks is something we work on to perfect.

derek7m: If you think cardio is easy in Tae Kwon Do, come join a class with me It will change your mind 1/4th the way through.

mn_fighter: Yes it doesn't have much ground work however there are other martial arts that can make up for that. We were equipment to protect ourselfs. Emagine a kick comming at your head without a head protector. I already had a Stage Three Concussion from it let alone comming at your stomach. Kicks have so much more power and speed behind them and how needs to be hurt and waste your training days!

WARMachine: I also challange you to come on down and train with me. It will change your mind!

swol_je: Yes I am glad you have trained to 2nd Degree black belt(however I found from being 6-13 is quite fast to get to 2nd Degree Black Belt.) I get one test a year if I am lucky just for a stripe and I need 4 tests before passing my Dan. Tae Kwon Do is like test in steroids . A good base!

igorotsp: Nice post, don't even explain why its bad or worthless.

T-MOS: There is some merrit to your post. We are trained to the point that we never have to use it. At lease hopefully won't have too in life. However they don't teach "use different parts of foot to "slap" a point in instead of proper way if you wanted to kill someone." But more to how to do it properly. Any martial art though can be used to kill someone and that is why there is a reason to why you are trained by learning the "student creed"

PittBoy: Yes there are different types of schools out there that teach Tae Kwon Do. But isn't there many forms of test out there as well but pretty well do the same thing. Everyone has there own take as to which is better or change a small thing to make it a bit different.

Geordi LaForge: Boxing to teach punching....Tae Kwon Do to teach kicking. You are comparing apples to orabnges here.

elpropiotorvic: Bullcrap! Anyone can post something up on youtube just from watching a video they bought at Wallmart. Tae Kwon Do has contact but we do it in a safe manner to benifit both fighters.

Bench Machine: Don't get me started!

thai-lan: Maybe I should make fun of you? How would you like that! But I won't because I was taught to respect others and other martial arts. They have put hard work into learning and becoming at something they want to learn.

T-MOS: This is how a rule got put into place to prevent this from happening again.

A2thej2008: Where is your research. Sure you can make an opinion but in all honesty everyone has opinions and to what is good or not. That is why there are choices in life. Have you done several martial arts before for at lease min 1 year each to be able to comment like this?

thai-lan: Yes this dude and beat this dude or vice versa but when it comes down to it all every student in every martial art is different therefore things can happen. Look at Ultimate Fighter and on how many fights I could name where fighters have fought the same fighter more then once and lost once and won once before.

Brown Ninja: Close..."|The art of Kicking and Punching" or "The art of unarmed combat". A good example

After seeing a lot of posts I could keep going on. I don't want to be flamming or making people hate me because of this post but in all honesty this thread got to be and felt like I needed to put my side out there. Sure Tae Kwon Do isn't all the shit and everything(Perfect). Nothing is and that is why you need a little bit of everything.

i would like to commet on this with out flaming and to make sure i get the direction of the post... i disagree

here is why... not that i wanted to but - i fought a few black belts in their sports - and am a wrestler with some good power with the right hand and very fast with my left jab, i kicked the crap out of a heavy weight us champ... fought a tae Kwon Do black belt and dropped him faster than i could imagine... not to say they were not tuff guys or that they were not great in their sports BUT - canned fighting is way way dif than a street fight... thus - me the street fighter came up on top

now for the record the black belt champ did break all my ribs on my left side from some feroicious kicks but i broke his collar bone right and left, his scapula, his nose, and his eye orbital... as well as just a good over all asskicking for the rest of his parts

[thabeastmaster]

I would be frustrated also if i had dedicated my life to a discipline under the pretense that it was for self defense only to find out it only works on the hopelessly drunk or completely incompetent.

Rorian said it best when he said that TKD and the other martial ARTS are just that, an ART to be respected as such....BJJ on the other hand is better described as martial SKILL.....view the movies "gracies in action" to get an idea on the practicality of TKD......ive fought two TKD blackbelts....one was with rules, a friend of mine, with 4 oz gloves ....he was a 2nd degree TKD blackbelt and had been training for approx 4 years...i was a newly promoted blue belt in BJJ with only about 8 months on the mat.....he was bigger and stronger and a generally much more athletic individual....it was NO contest...im sorry, but NO CONTEST....i didnt even throw one close-fisted strike (he was talking crap so i wanted to embarrass him by not punching).....worst i got was a nasty bruise on my forearm from blocking a kick....

the other time was in a parkinglot....i too got a broken rib from catching a kick, but it ended with me heel hooking that same leg and i doubt if that guy will ever walk without a limp and a cane.....

sorry, but i wouldnt let my worst enemy send their kid to TKD.....false sense of security.....

even a run of the mill high school wrestler would have my money against a trained TKD practitioner....

[Necrosaro]

amcon: I would like to know this U.S. Black belts name or at lease see a video of it. Fighting a heavy weight U.S. champ should have some kind of proof and if I get a name I can ask my Grandmaster about him and see if he is in the certificates. We keep certificates of every single black belt competitor in Korea as well the the fighter gets a card certification saying he has achieved his certain Dan. Will also needs to know what teaching he was under. He should have had that shown?

thabeastmaster:2nd degree TKD blackbelt and had been training for approx 4 years. That is terrible! Absolutely terrible! Through out all the years of being in Tae Kwon Do I have never seen someone who has got a black belt in 4 years. Technically it is impossible and you fought a fraud. Tae Kwon Do is trained with the fact of experience over years of training and a black belt isn't something that can be achieved in a matter of 4 years!

[thabeastmaster]

honestly necro, that has been a major point of confusion for me in the last 5 years...i have heard of so many people with "blackbelts" yet they have been training for such a short number of years.......that was one of several things that attracted me to BJJ was the fact that you had to EARN your belts through proving yourself worthy in sparring as opposed to memorizing some forms or katas or whatever, then paying your money and taking a test....i have to admit, i have been somewhat juvenile in my reffering to TKD as PAY-kwon-do , pay as you go....only because of what i have seen....

i recall going to a huge martial arts convention and seeing so many blackbelts on children, senior citizens, so much to the point that i wondered what is the real value of a blackbelt anymore? It sincerely is a shame.....

as much as i am all about getting kids involved how can a 10 year old have a blackbelt? i just dont understand.....

at least in BJJ you dont see 12 year olds running around with brown and black belts....

fyi...im not trying to flame, just providing an outside point of view...

[Necrosaro]

Depending on schools some people can get there black belts way to quick and not being able to learn the proper techincal aspect of martial arts let alone being a true black belt. It is quite sad that some schools have done this. I can understand older people having black belts due to the fact they have the knowledge and know how on how to do things properly even though there bodies can't. The Tae Kwon Do school I am in doesn't allow people to be black belts till a certain age(16). They continue to train and belt test but cannot recieve a black belt till that age.

[amcon]

amcon: I would like to know this U.S. Black belts name or at lease see a video of it. Fighting a heavy weight U.S. champ should have some kind of proof and if I get a name I can ask my Grandmaster about him and see if he is in the certificates. We keep certificates of every single black belt competitor in Korea as well the the fighter gets a card certification saying he has achieved his certain Dan. Will also needs to know what teaching he was under. He should have had that shown?

thabeastmaster:2nd degree TKD blackbelt and had been training for approx 4 years. That is terrible! Absolutely terrible! Through out all the years of being in Tae Kwon Do I have never seen someone who has got a black belt in 4 years. Technically it is impossible and you fought a fraud. Tae Kwon Do is trained with the fact of experience over years of training and a black belt isn't something that can be achieved in a matter of 4 years!

i got paid 535k for him attacking me... he hit me with a car first - you can believe me or not - its ok - he is from ny... that is all i will say - i can show you the money i got - lol

[Necrosaro]

I'll take that as a no

[amcon]

I'll take that as a no

yep - you can take it as a no im not going to give you the name of a guy i sued and won that paid me 535k and risk proving my self right... yep yep

[Necrosaro]

Ok I am confused?

First you say "i kicked the crap out of a heavy weight us champ... fought a tae Kwon Do black belt and dropped him faster than i could imagine... not to say they were not tuff guys or that they were not great in their sports BUT - canned fighting is way way dif than a street fight... thus - me the street fighter came up on top

now for the record the black belt champ did break all my ribs on my left side from some feroicious kicks but i broke his collar bone right and left, his scapula, his nose, and his eye orbital... as well as just a good over all asskicking for the rest of his parts "

This is hard to understand because the fight would have been called by the ref long before these injuries got to where they were and now you are saying he hit you with a car and you didn't fight this guy?

[amcon]

umm what? he hit me with the car... i crawled to the side walk... he and his friend (another black belt) attacked me... i was fighting them, for my life - ass ts (his initals) was kicking me an i was suplexing him on his head... tm(2nd guys initals) was nice enought to go and find a cobble stone and pound on my head with it... picture mayham and lots of adrealin as i kept getting back up and throwing ts on his head and shoulders... ts decided he had just about enough and bites my right middle finger off!!! the f'er!! it was just on by the skin... so, i got my finger out of his mouth and drove my knee in to his forehead breaking his nose and eye orbital(even though i was so excited to see the rest of my finger- couldnt feel it but i could see it - all the nerves and stuff were totally severed) then wm threw the cobble stone at me it glance off my head/shoulders and i ran in to my neighbors back yard - fyi my poor wife was in the window watching all this with my baby boy and 911 on the phone...

they caught him via crimestoppers tv show ... then it was up to the dectives and the courts to do the due proccess and i won...

that is the story the police have and that is what was said in court...what more do you need? should i risk the $$$$ to make you happy... maybe i should scan in the court docs and satisfy you ?

[Necrosaro]

Why is it hard for you to be honest? You turned this thread from being a good discussion to rubish. I came and said how I felt and that is all! I am offically done with this thread!

[amcon]

hard to be honest? humm, you might have to much estrogen - i will get a link to help you with that

good go... smile - your avatar scares me any ways... looks like a tren dream of a former girl friend...

[zimmy]

The thread kinda got funny for me when you said

The Tae Kwon Do school I am in doesn't allow people to be black belts till a certain age(16)

lol even if you started training at 6...that still shoudln't be possible.

[WARMachine]

Depending on schools some people can get there black belts way to quick and not being able to learn the proper techincal aspect of martial arts let alone being a true black belt. It is quite sad that some schools have done this. I can understand older people having black belts due to the fact they have the knowledge and know how on how to do things properly even though there bodies can't. The Tae Kwon Do school I am in doesn't allow people to be black belts till a certain age(16). They continue to train and belt test but cannot recieve a black belt till that age.

LMAO! Lol... My point exactly. a 16 year old BB.

WARMachine: I also challange you to come on down and train with me. It will change your mind!

Anytime bud... Be careful what you wish.

[thabeastmaster]

im one the phone with Don King texting right nowww.....nobody can money off a train wreck like this better than tha KINGGGG....

[yannick35]

TKD is what you make of it, i did it for 7 years and fought some pertty hard competition.

The cardio is insane for all you MMA wannabees out there, kicking works the lungs and the heart.

I loved TKD, many people judge it because its not good in MMA but doesnt anyone have the choice to practice an art that they love to do?

Pertty sure that no one on this board can do a jumping spin kick, flashy

[maxx3]

Here is the deal:

A fighter mostly comes downs to the individual person regardless of the style...

But with that said, if you take a equal skilled person in Sombo, BJJ, MMA, Krav, etc,,, against a traditional style Kung Fu, Karate, TKD, etc... 9 times of 10 the grappler or modern system will wipe the floor (in a street fight) with the traditional styles...

I've seen 10 year "hard core" TKD guys get killed by guys with basic (no training) boxing skills... again, the individual person matters a lot...

Furthermore, most fights are very close combat, if not on the ground then only in punching range! ...as a old trainer of mine said: "If it doesn't work in phone booth(e.g. high kicks), throw it out."

TKD is what you make of it, i did it for 7 years and fought some pertty hard competition.

The cardio is insane for all you MMA wannabees out there, kicking works the lungs and the heart.

I loved TKD, many people judge it because its not good in MMA but doesnt anyone have the choice to practice an art that they love to do?

Pertty sure that no one on this board can do a jumping spin kick, flashy

[Bench Machine]

Bench Machine: Don't get me started!


Wow i havent been one here for awhile and this is what i come back to. You got to be really stupid. Maybe i can show you my favorite kick

[RangersLTW]

for self defense........he could just use soft and hard control tactics......pressure points are also good to know.....I always have a gun though......so all of you can keep that belt around so I can have something to clean off my kimber lol

[Brown Ninja]

so we can all agree TKD is a joke?

[CSAR]

all of you can keep that belt around so I can have something to clean off my kimber lol

Kimber...sweet...I've got a Tactical Ultra II and it's my favorite handgun. When I move back to the US this summer, it's the first thing I'm going to hug.

[Brown Ninja]

I love to pistol whip minorities

[crazy_rocks]

i spent a year in korea while in the army. at the time our company would go once a week to tie kwon dough (spell check, i dont care) haha.
anyways it was a waste of time. there were a few moves that were a little interesting considering you could make a few changes to them and train on that but if thats your logic go study something else.
most of it was impractical because the enemy is not going to stand there and let you prepare that move your trying to do, and it is obvious what your trying to do.
HOWEVER- the tie kwon dough they teach to the units once a week is not the real teaching of tkd. its a fast class. we understood that this was not the real experience but we still knew it was inferior. we had a few mma fellas in my unit and they had no confidence in tie kwon dough. supposedly the south korean special forces had some bad ass military version of it, maybe just a rumor but they did study it.

mma, jkd, kali if you can find a school without belt system, judo etc are far better. krav maga can be good --IF-- you can find a aggressive school, otherwise its rape defense.

[Brown Ninja]

it thrives in strip malls and frat parties