Machida vs Shogun

[J-Dogg]

I guess you are rating striking as technical striking, since you are a boxing fan, you look for striking to be technical, guess what, Boxing striking is not the same as MMA striking, if not, ask freddy roach (yeah fedor boxing sucks lol) Rua is has good jitz, and 1 sub in like 18 fights, 15 KO/TKOs, I think I will have to say hes strong point is striking. Diabet had like 100 inchs of reach in favor, plus is a world class MT fighter, shogun did what it was best for him, and I would hardly rate someones striking skills by one single fight...

I actually think Shoguns BJJ out classes his striking too.

In 2006, i would give the striking advantage to Wandy over Shogun.

But Shogun was the more well rounded fighter, and could slap out ankle lock, knee bar or KK at anytime. He really has good subs. I think if he can't some what cancel Matchita on his feet, he could pull off a decision or a tap on the ground.

Matchita is the more technical striker, he has to catch him, sub him, or point him on the ground. If it stays on the feet, and goes through round 5, cheeta wins easy.

[roid_rage]

I actually think Shoguns BJJ out classes his striking too.

In 2006, i would give the striking advantage to Wandy over Shogun.

But Shogun was the more well rounded fighter, and could slap out ankle lock, knee bar or KK at anytime. He really has good subs. I think if he can't some what cancel Matchita on his feet, he could pull off a decision or a tap on the ground.

Matchita is the more technical striker, he has to catch him, sub him, or point him on the ground. If it stays on the feet, and goes through round 5, cheeta wins easy.

im not saying hes not a good grappler, he is, but his strongest point is his striking, if 15 out of 18 wins come via KO/TKO and the guy only has 1 sub, im sorry, no matter what his grappling credentials are, he is a striker. That doesnt mean hes better than machida, they are very different, but this shogun, the UFC version, has a much better shot at machida than the PRIDE version (of course, if hes cardio is back)

[xnotoriousx]

Shogun in the 3rd by choke

[J-Dogg]

IMO: Rampage was the only person who had a shot at beating Machida. Machida has more technical skill, but Rampage had the power and boxing to give him a good fight.

With Rampage retiring, no one is beating Matchita. There are a lot of intresting fights left in the LHW class, but the deepest class is progressing back now.

Lots of big names, but lots of old names.

Wandy just lost to rich
Rich just lost to Henderson and Vitor
Shogun will loose to Machida
Chuck is pretty much done
Rashad just lost to Machida
Forrest is probably still running
Jardine?

[J-Dogg]

im not saying hes not a good grappler, he is, but his strongest point is his striking, if 15 out of 18 wins come via KO/TKO and the guy only has 1 sub, im sorry, no matter what his grappling credentials are, he is a striker. That doesnt mean hes better than machida, they are very different, but this shogun, the UFC version, has a much better shot at machida than the PRIDE version (of course, if hes cardio is back)

I think most of his KO's don't really come from superior striking, but honestly in Pride was anyone as aggressive as Wandy and Shogun?

He was just fearless then, went out to tear your head off and was all over you.

I still feel his BJJ is his base, and best skill. His striking was not "technically" as sound as his BJJ but because he was so aggressive, he knocked a lot of guys out.

[roid_rage]

IMO: Rampage was the only person who had a shot at beating Machida. Machida has more technical skill, but Rampage had the power and boxing to give him a good fight.

With Rampage retiring, no one is beating Matchita. There are a lot of intresting fights left in the LHW class, but the deepest class is progressing back now.

Lots of big names, but lots of old names.

Wandy just lost to rich
Rich just lost to Henderson and Vitor
Shogun will loose to Machida
Chuck is pretty much done
Rashad just lost to Machida
Forrest is probably still running
Jardine?

Well, IMHO, Rampage was the one with the worst shot at him... Forrest beat him (though controversial win, I would've called that fight a tie) and jardine took him for 3 rounds with those ugly and crappy leg kicks of his own, a techincal striker like Machida will have a day on the park with Page of today, old Rampage at least was willing to go to the ground, and wrestle some bit, this Rampage thinks this is boxing, which may work for brawlers like Wandy and punchers like Chuck, but not so much with fighters that are well rounded... Rampage lost to every single guy that had his legs for more than walking. Of course, he would've have the puchers chance.

[roid_rage]

I think most of his KO's don't really come from superior striking, but honestly in Pride was anyone as aggressive as Wandy and Shogun?

He was just fearless then, went out to tear your head off and was all over you.

I still feel his BJJ is his base, and best skill. His striking was not "technically" as sound as his BJJ but because he was so aggressive, he knocked a lot of guys out.

Back then, I agree, he wasnt the most technical striker, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a striker.

[johnCash]

machida all the way. this guy is a cray fighter, im pretty sure hes the least hit fighter in the ufc, he made rashad look terrible, same with thiago silva, same with tito same with soukoujoo or whatever his name is. i dont think anyone will beat this guy for a long time

[J-Dogg]

machida all the way. this guy is a cray fighter, im pretty sure hes the least hit fighter in the ufc, he made rashad look terrible, same with thiago silva, same with tito same with soukoujoo or whatever his name is. i dont think anyone will beat this guy for a long time

Soukojoo actually looked pretty good against Machida I thought.

The reason I thought Rampage could give Machida a run for the title was not because he could grind it out 5 rounds to a decision like he did with Forrest or anything, or Jardine.

It was because Rampage has a powerful chin, It's been tested VIA Wandy's Knee's and short of that and Shogun, he's not been knocked out. I'm sure everyone remembers the amount of knee's it took.

I don't think Machita could really knock him out. He's a technical striker, but not a real powerful striker. He was the test for Rashads chin, prior to that, Rashads chin had never been tested.

I think Machita would take less hits than Rampage, but Rampage can knock out out very quick. Rashad could have too honestly, but he just got caught.

One might say Rampage has just a punchers chance, but he is very technical with is hands, and blocking is extremely impressive. Legs kicks are certainly a weakness he has shown against Forrest and Jardine. But he took those leg kicks to keep his feet planted and counter with a strong right. A leg kick is fairly easy to defend, and an easy adjustment to make. I'm not sure who's leg kicks would be harder, Forrest or Cheetas, but I'm thinking forrest probably throws them harder with his length, Machita would not share that same distance forrest enjoyed.

[stang]

sho gun 2 round k.o

[ftony]

That decision Looked like a classic boxing maneuver to setup a big money making rematch..This is why I don't watch boxing anymore..Jokes on all of us who paid for that garbage.

[roid_rage]

should I say.... I TOLD YOU SO!!!

regardless of the decision... SHOGUN is the UFC 205 champ.