Kimbo vs Roy Nelson

[Necrosaro]

A very bad fight indeed!

[J-Dogg]

Did anyone catch the begining where Team Rashad was talking with Roy at the table?

He was planning this the entire time.

He said get him in that exact position, and just slap him on the head, count off the hits, so the ref has to call the fight, he said look right at the ref, and just tap him. They have to call the fight, even if the guy's not hurt, unanswered blows/not defending.

Really though, I think it's almost a "loop" in the rules. When you are laying on a guys face, hitting on top of the head, it would be REALLY hard to knock someone out. IMO that would be more of a submission than a KO. Kimbo was really in no danger, or in danger of taking much damage. In a position like that, it's almost a stale mate, the ref just as well could stand them back up. Roy can't hurt him, Kimbo can't get out, it's a laying match.

Judging from the fight though, and we already knew Kimbo has a lot too learn, but Roy defiantly went from a top fighter, down a few slots. Very unimpressive fighting by him.

He's clever, and used his belly well, but it's not an effective plan against anyone with more training.

[Big]

Did anyone catch the begining where Team Rashad was talking with Roy at the table?

He was planning this the entire time.

He said get him in that exact position, and just slap him on the head, count off the hits, so the ref has to call the fight, he said look right at the ref, and just tap him. They have to call the fight, even if the guy's not hurt, unanswered blows/not defending.

Really though, I think it's almost a "loop" in the rules. When you are laying on a guys face, hitting on top of the head, it would be REALLY hard to knock someone out. IMO that would be more of a submission than a KO. Kimbo was really in no danger, or in danger of taking much damage. In a position like that, it's almost a stale mate, the ref just as well could stand them back up. Roy can't hurt him, Kimbo can't get out, it's a laying match.

Judging from the fight though, and we already knew Kimbo has a lot too learn, but Roy defiantly went from a top fighter, down a few slots. Very unimpressive fighting by him.

He's clever, and used his belly well, but it's not an effective plan against anyone with more training.

yeah I saw that when I watched the tape, I had missed the beginning. I expected more of Roy. like you I never felt Kimbo was in any danger, sad that the rules allow for that.

[zimmy]

God...so sick of hearing this sh*t. Girls hit harder blah blah blah. Lets look at facts here...kimbo has no ground game...he didn't even block the mount from the half mount and HE DID NOT WORK ON THE GROUND. I mean you want Roy to sit there and break his knuckles on the top of kimbo's head when kimbo wasn't doing sh*t? Seriously, I wish he would have just went for the submission that he toyed with while on top. I think he was playing with him...showing people just how unfit Kimbo is to be fighting top fighters.

The idea of standing fighters up is when both parties are working...and he was hitting kimbo continiously in the head...he wasn't just sitting on top stalling...

This rule has been around for a while, why do they stop fighters when they are dazed but still awake on the ground? It's not because they are dazed it's because they are not fighting intelligently. I know I'm gonna blasted by so many people who thought Kimbo was all that, but truth is, most people who train bjj would not how NOT to get in those positions.

[J-Dogg]

yeah I saw that when I watched the tape, I had missed the beginning. I expected more of Roy. like you I never felt Kimbo was in any danger, sad that the rules allow for that.

I agree, I just don't see how they can call it a KO either. If he can flail his legs, and attempt to push off....just seems like that is defending or attempting to escape the position.

The only danger he had, was suffocation.

[zimmy]

I agree, I just don't see how they can call it a KO either. If he can flail his legs, and attempt to push off....just seems like that is defending or attempting to escape the position.

The only danger he had, was suffocation.

The thing was he didn't attempt to push off and didn't know enough to use his hips and the floor to push him off. And if you watch the fight again you will see roy put his arm in 2 positions for submissions and then let go of them after less than a second with no resistance from kimbo...

[liftsmore]

so disappointed in this fight! really would have liked to seen kimbo put down fat boy nelson...that gut - what a disgrace! nelson's punches were so weak..my 13 year old niece can hit harder than that!!! can't really blame kimbo, he was suffocating under all that fat!

totally agreed, the fight ended too early. Those were weak punches to the top of his head. Should have stood them up.

Kimbo definitely looked better on his feet but he definitely has no ground game.

I used to not like Kimbo but he does seem humble and now I'm starting to dig the guy more. Roy on the other hand is a douche.

[rockinred]

God...so sick of hearing this sh*t. Girls hit harder blah blah blah. Lets look at facts here...kimbo has no ground game...he didn't even block the mount from the half mount and HE DID NOT WORK ON THE GROUND. I mean you want Roy to sit there and break his knuckles on the top of kimbo's head when kimbo wasn't doing sh*t? Seriously, I wish he would have just went for the submission that he toyed with while on top. I think he was playing with him...showing people just how unfit Kimbo is to be fighting top fighters.

The idea of standing fighters up is when both parties are working...and he was hitting kimbo continiously in the head...he wasn't just sitting on top stalling...

This rule has been around for a while, why do they stop fighters when they are dazed but still awake on the ground? It's not because they are dazed it's because they are not fighting intelligently. I know I'm gonna blasted by so many people who thought Kimbo was all that, but truth is, most people who train bjj would not how NOT to get in those positions.

Either way you slice it, that was a piss poor victory. If Roy was the epitome of some game ass BJJ expert taking Kimbo to school... that was shitty to say the least. All he did was lay on Kimbo's face suffocating him and that was it. Everyone knows that putting your hands in the opponents face causes them to suffocate and gas... now, use your belly like this and that is ten times worse. A victory? Yes, but a piss poor deomonstration of Kimbo getting owned by a submitter. It sucked and face the fact that Roy used blubber to victory. Not really anything anyone really cares to see. I don't see Roy doing anything special in the UFC except bring a weight problem into a fight. Even if I was pulling for Roy, I would be dissappointed to say the least. I have seen many fatboys win fights by just laying on top of a dude in the streets. This was absolutely no different. what a waste of hype.

I know you like BJJ, but I wouldn't claim Roy as a part of that art. Only dudes that should be excited for Roy's victory in this fight are obese guys. He shows that an obese dude can lay on someone and suffocate them and win.

[Deltasaurus]

totally agreed, the fight ended too early. Those were weak punches to the top of his head. Should have stood them up.
If u watched though show roy said all you have to do is get dominant position and throw little punches and the ref has to stop the fight, Stand them up? lol when one guy is being completely dominant on top and punching their opponent u cannot stand it up, roy was being nice and chose not to sub him with the many sub choices he had being a black belt under Renzo


Kimbo definitely looked better on his feet but he definitely has no ground game.LOL are u serious i man yes his ground game was a F, 1st day white belt for sure, but serious his striking is a D-, people say guy should stand up and fight, well if kimbo is such a striker why doesnt he go into K-1 or Boxing for that matter and make a ton more money



I used to not like Kimbo but he does seem humble and now I'm starting to dig the guy more. Roy on the other hand is a douche.

Very funny how the film the show, Kimbo the street thug is now, Humble and wants to learn, while Roy is portrayed as the fat uncoachable slob.
Dont by into them buddy


In the end remember roy said he likes kimbo and they are roommates roy made dana look like an idiot if you know anything about MMA or BJJ for that matter you can see roy did as little as possible to win, he went about 30% took kimbo down in seconds, put him in a crucifix as kimbo offered no resistance and then he punched him very lightly and counted his punches so the ref had to stop it why kimbo did not defend himself or anything lol.
What did u want roy to elbow him to death or kimura his far arm he had pinned and tear his shoulder?

if u think this is the real nelson think again and watch his fights.
In ADCC he beat Monson and Mir


-AJ

[Deltasaurus]

win via lardass. no power, just lay your fat ass on someone and drop weak punches till it's stopped. I'm glad it wasn't ppv.

Trust me if it was PPV roy would have hurt him, he did the least amount possible to win and to piss dana off.

[xnotoriousx]

I wonder who kimbo will fight next, looked like he was going to get another shot.

Rampage cut his hair like kimbo... lol I died laughing

[ghettoboyd]

it kind of sucks that roy won...i wanted kimbo to do better cus hes worked hard and is in amazing shape.....if he could get a fight with an oponent who like to stand up at least the fight would go longer and we could see what kimbos got for a chin but i understand the stratagy of taking him down...hes got nothing, he didnt even try to escape.....

[Hunter]

No intelligent fighter in tuf is going to do more then it takes to win he has 2 fights left why risk injury? Kimbo layed there that is all he did, flat on his back and got punched in the head. He was not intelligently defending himself and the fight should have been stopped.

For everyone calling him fat, this is mma not bodybuilding. Bj penn isnt overly muscular at all and is chubby at 170 and would still put the hurt on 99% of 170 pounders. Fedor is chubby is as well. Ben Rothwell is also. If you dont like him cause of his performance fine but enough with the fat comments.

No one would make a comment that Kimbo didnt win cause he is ghetto trash and cant learn would they?

[rockinred]

I will stick with my analysis of what I saw. Kimbo got bumm rushed and then laid on and suffocated. We use to call that bumm rush when I grew up... now all of the sudden, it must be some sort of mastery take down skill because it was Roy against Kimbo.

In the first round Kimbo did use his hips for leverage and the cage to shift and almost rolled out of it. Roy shifted his weight and Kimbo was not able to do it... The second round it was over when Roy laid on his face and Kimbo knew there was no way of getting him off him. There was nothing tactical about it. It was simply a guy laying on another dude. Basically it was a dude pinning him down on his back like the goals of a wrestling match. Nothing we want to see in the cage.

Here is the sad thing. Kimbo is said to be a big disgrace to MMA because of his background. I think Roy is equally a disgrace because of his weight and how he carried himself in episode two. After this fight he ran up and said get me some cheeseburgers. Making a mockery.

There is no TV hype with a guy playing up to be a bad guy when the camp has to call you in and let you know that you are not a team player and your doing your own thing. That to me is a disgrace to MMA. I have a feeling the hate for Kimbo has nothing to do with him disgracing MMA, it has some other underlying reason.

BJ Penn and Fedor are no disgrace and show great talent and have never laid on their opponent to victory. Get up and start asking for cheeseburgers afterward. Just flat out obnoctious and disrespectful. Totally different scenario imo and no comparison.

[Deltasaurus]

^^LOL u really believe that, guess u have never seen roys real fights,

bottom line is he said what he was going to do the night before, how fights could be stopped like that, he went 30% took kimbo down and did nuthing to win, hes a BB in BJJ under Renzo gracie, he could have done anything he want from the most dominant position in MMA lol

[rockinred]

A,

Nah I haven't seen a whole lot of Roy's fights and I don't care to. That was hardly a master display of BJJ, whether he is a BB or not. Bottom line to many his victory sucked. Many have volcalized it and that is where I am coming from. I would have much rather seen Kimbo get rolled and dominated on the floor, but that just didn't happen. Not because of any great defense that Kimbo did, it was just that Roy showed a weak victory that just flat out laid on the oppononent with nothing more. I have seen the crucifix demonstrated many times and this was the first I have ever seen it in that manner when a guy just lays on top of another and bitch slaps the top of his head.. come on dude that sucked.

Also, what's all this 30% talk? If he only gave 30% it goes to show he is a slacker. he is on national tv, he should give 100% and dominant even moresoe. You are really nuthugging this dude to say that.

[zimmy]

I will stick with my analysis of what I saw. Kimbo got bumm rushed and then laid on and suffocated. We use to call that bumm rush when I grew up... now all of the sudden, it must be some sort of mastery take down skill because it was Roy against Kimbo. Look again...first "bum rush" Roy put his foot behind his...this is a text book sweep...2nd "bum rush" was even worse because Kimbo hit Roy in the face and had him a little but he was taken down again and had the mind set to land in side mount. You think it's easy...try to do it ...then try to do it again when you just got hit in the face and land in perfect side control

In the first round Kimbo did use his hips for leverage and the cage to shift and almost rolled out of it.This is why alot of people disagree here...google mount escape ..there are video's...then you can see what the proper use of hips looks like. Then you can see why that was anything more than desperation....also i'm not sure but i think there are rules about using the fence, not that it matters Roy shifted his weight and Kimbo was not able to do itYah...Roy should have just stayed stiff and let kimbo roll him to make it fair... The second round it was over when Roy laid on his face and Kimbo knew there was no way of getting him off him. There was nothing tactical about it. It was simply a guy laying on another dude. Basically it was a dude pinning him down on his back like the goals of a wrestling match. Nothing we want to see in the cage. Um..there actually is a few ways to get some one off of you when they are that high up on you. Giving them your arm so you they can pin it under their leg is not one of them

Here is the sad thing. Kimbo is said to be a big disgrace to MMA because of his background. I think Roy is equally a disgrace because of his weight and how he carried himself in episode two. After this fight he ran up and said get me some cheeseburgers. Making a mockery. If I had people talking sh*t about me after I earned a title calling me b*tch tit's and what not, you are damn straight i'm gonna make some jokes when i embarress one of the "best" there.

There is no TV hype with a guy playing up to be a bad guy when the camp has to call you in and let you know that you are not a team player and your doing your own thing. That to me is a disgrace to MMA. I have a feeling the hate for Kimbo has nothing to do with him disgracing MMA, it has some other underlying reason.

BJ Penn and Fedor are no disgrace and show great talent and have never laid on their opponent to victory. Get up and start asking for cheeseburgers afterward. Just flat out obnoctious and disrespectful. Totally different scenario imo and no comparison.

Seriously...I know it's not as interesting to some of you as seeing two people stand toe to toe and beat each other bloody instead of fighting a smart fight...but the ground game is very exciting when you get to know the little things that make the difference between a sloppy attempt and smoothly going from one sub attempt to another...so this fight was NOT exactly the most entertaining...but to sit here and blast Roy cus Kimbo sucked...it's just retarded.

[Deltasaurus]

A,

Nah I haven't seen a whole lot of Roy's fights and I don't care to. That was hardly a master display of BJJ, whether he is a BB or not. Bottom line to many his victory sucked. Many have volcalized it and that is where I am coming from. I would have much rather seen Kimbo get rolled and dominated on the floor, but that just didn't happen. Not because of any great defense that Kimbo did, it was just that Roy showed a weak victory that just flat out laid on the oppononent with nothing more. I have seen the crucifix demonstrated many times and this was the first I have ever seen it in that manner when a guy just lays on top of another and bitch slaps the top of his head.. come on dude that sucked.

Also, what's all this 30% talk? If he only gave 30% it goes to show he is a slacker. he is on national tv, he should give 100% and dominant even moresoe. You are really nuthugging this dude to say that.

Not saying it wasnt boring, but look at this, Roy said he liked kimbo, dudes not a dick, chose to win the easiest way possible without hurting anyone,
he didnt even break a sweat,
Dana said the fighters should take the easiest path to victory.
He is not getting paid shit why go 100%
u really think he couldnt have elbowed kimbo?
or Kimura'd the arms he had pinned?
or transitioned to mount and pounded him?

Honestly bro he went light to just not hurt the guy, he is not what u think he is

[zimmy]

Not saying it wasnt boring, but look at this, Roy said he liked kimbo, dudes not a dick, chose to win the easiest way possible without hurting anyone,
he didnt even break a sweat,
Dana said the fighters should take the easiest path to victory.
He is not getting paid shit why go 100%
u really think he couldnt have elbowed kimbo?
or Kimura'd the arms he had pinned?
or transitioned to mount and pounded him?

Honestly bro he went light to just not hurt the guy, he is not what u think he is

Yah...When i saw him grab his arm and get it in position to submit him but then let go...showed me that he was alot nicer than me, that's for sure.

[Deltasaurus]

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/01/r...-slice-on-tuf/


awesome read, what happend

[rockinred]

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/01/r...-slice-on-tuf/


awesome read, what happend

That was a good read. If you read between the lines he says a lot about how everything shakes down. Crazy.

[Deltasaurus]

^^^ yup

[rockinred]

Alright, but here is the million dollar question.

Why is Roy Nelson in the TUF show anyway? If he is really that good and has that many fights...why is he in the show? All it does is make it unfair to the others. I mean, where do you draw the line. Why not have Fedor in there or someone like that from a different org.

Most of the shows have studs and show the development of fighters, but this guy has been fighting top level dudes like Arlovski and stuff. That would put him in a different class than TUF and what does he have to prove to the UFC or anyone else for that matter? Seems silly to me.

[southmadejd]

I have a question for the people that train in here.....since Kimbo has come onto the MMA scene and trained with some reputable gyms, shouldn't he have much better take down defense then what he has at the moment? I mean if I was his trainer I would play to his strengths while teaching him the ground game. I mean he is going against some guys who have trained BJJ and/or wrestled for years so it will take time for him to learn the ground game, but I think he should at least be able to stuff some take downs. Does anybody agree with me? That Kimbo should at least be farther along by now with his take down defense?

[WARMachine]

You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.


Hes only been with ATT for a short time, and before that he was with Bas. And thats hardly the guy you want to train with to learn technical grappling.
Regardless of what people think, the ground game is not something that is easily mastered. Ive got credentials that would make most people piss, but ive been taken down before in competition. Not often, but it has happened.

Kimbo hasnt been training long enough with the right people to develop the skills to hang with a guy the caliber of Roy Nelson. I will say that Kimbo was wrecking Roy standing, and thats nothing to hang your head about.

[ACJiujitsu]

Did anyone catch the begining where Team Rashad was talking with Roy at the table?

He was planning this the entire time.

He said get him in that exact position, and just slap him on the head, count off the hits, so the ref has to call the fight, he said look right at the ref, and just tap him. They have to call the fight, even if the guy's not hurt, unanswered blows/not defending.

Really though, I think it's almost a "loop" in the rules. When you are laying on a guys face, hitting on top of the head, it would be REALLY hard to knock someone out. IMO that would be more of a submission than a KO. Kimbo was really in no danger, or in danger of taking much damage. In a position like that, it's almost a stale mate, the ref just as well could stand them back up. Roy can't hurt him, Kimbo can't get out, it's a laying match.

Judging from the fight though, and we already knew Kimbo has a lot too learn, but Roy defiantly went from a top fighter, down a few slots. Very unimpressive fighting by him.

He's clever, and used his belly well, but it's not an effective plan against anyone with more training.

Watch that clip again. Roy says "Like i did" . Most people think that converstaion happened the night before the fight, It didnt.He talked about it after the fight to the guy that they bring Kimbo back to fight. Wanna know who he fights?

[ACJiujitsu]

A,

Nah I haven't seen a whole lot of Roy's fights and I don't care to. That was hardly a master display of BJJ, whether he is a BB or not. Bottom line to many his victory sucked. Many have volcalized it and that is where I am coming from. I would have much rather seen Kimbo get rolled and dominated on the floor, but that just didn't happen. Not because of any great defense that Kimbo did, it was just that Roy showed a weak victory that just flat out laid on the oppononent with nothing more. I have seen the crucifix demonstrated many times and this was the first I have ever seen it in that manner when a guy just lays on top of another and bitch slaps the top of his head.. come on dude that sucked.

Also, what's all this 30% talk? If he only gave 30% it goes to show he is a slacker. he is on national tv, he should give 100% and dominant even moresoe. You are really nuthugging this dude to say that.

LOL wtf are you talking about? Kimbo did get dominated on the floor. He got mounted theen Roy gave up the mount to go to the crucifix twice. If thats not dominated then i dont know what is. You must be one of those "Just bleed" guys that doesnt understand technique.Not every fight has to be a knock down drag out war,especially when your fighting for the biggest oppurtunity of your life.

[ACJiujitsu]

Either way you slice it, that was a piss poor victory. If Roy was the epitome of some game ass BJJ expert taking Kimbo to school... that was shitty to say the least. All he did was lay on Kimbo's face suffocating him and that was it. Everyone knows that putting your hands in the opponents face causes them to suffocate and gas... now, use your belly like this and that is ten times worse. A victory? Yes, but a piss poor deomonstration of Kimbo getting owned by a submitter. It sucked and face the fact that Roy used blubber to victory. Not really anything anyone really cares to see. I don't see Roy doing anything special in the UFC except bring a weight problem into a fight. Even if I was pulling for Roy, I would be dissappointed to say the least. I have seen many fatboys win fights by just laying on top of a dude in the streets. This was absolutely no different. what a waste of hype.

I know you like BJJ, but I wouldn't claim Roy as a part of that art. Only dudes that should be excited for Roy's victory in this fight are obese guys. He shows that an obese dude can lay on someone and suffocate them and win.

yet he beat a big tough muscle bound dude! Whats that tell you? LOL it doesnt matter what your body looks like its what kind of cardio and muscle endurance you have. Roy proved that. Kimbo put his head under roys belly so he didnt get hit. Whats Roy suppossed to give up the most DOMINATE posistion in MMA so a bunch of guys can see a little blood. Give it up

[roid_rage]

I will stick with my analysis of what I saw. Kimbo got bumm rushed and then laid on and suffocated. We use to call that bumm rush when I grew up... now all of the sudden, it must be some sort of mastery take down skill because it was Roy against Kimbo.

In the first round Kimbo did use his hips for leverage and the cage to shift and almost rolled out of it. Roy shifted his weight and Kimbo was not able to do it... The second round it was over when Roy laid on his face and Kimbo knew there was no way of getting him off him. There was nothing tactical about it. It was simply a guy laying on another dude. Basically it was a dude pinning him down on his back like the goals of a wrestling match. Nothing we want to see in the cage.

Here is the sad thing. Kimbo is said to be a big disgrace to MMA because of his background. I think Roy is equally a disgrace because of his weight and how he carried himself in episode two. After this fight he ran up and said get me some cheeseburgers. Making a mockery.

There is no TV hype with a guy playing up to be a bad guy when the camp has to call you in and let you know that you are not a team player and your doing your own thing. That to me is a disgrace to MMA. I have a feeling the hate for Kimbo has nothing to do with him disgracing MMA, it has some other underlying reason.

BJ Penn and Fedor are no disgrace and show great talent and have never laid on their opponent to victory. Get up and start asking for cheeseburgers afterward. Just flat out obnoctious and disrespectful. Totally different scenario imo and no comparison.

man, I really dont want to sound desrepectful, but stick to boxing if you only like guys ripping their heads off, getting someone into a crucifix TWICE, and punch him in the head 60 times IS NO LAY N PRAY... for real man, this isnt boxing, nor MT nor Kickboxing, this is MMA, and the ground game is a very important, and getting a crucifix is a very good move....

[Deltasaurus]

everyone needs to read this http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/01/r...-slice-on-tuf/

[rockinred]

man, I really dont want to sound desrepectful, but stick to boxing if you only like guys ripping their heads off, getting someone into a crucifix TWICE, and punch him in the head 60 times IS NO LAY N PRAY... for real man, this isnt boxing, nor MT nor Kickboxing, this is MMA, and the ground game is a very important, and getting a crucifix is a very good move....

AC, Roid,

The conversation and opinions are over from my perspective. No need to come in and try and put me in my place.

Roid how old are you?

I was 18 when I first started watching UFC 1. yes that's right UFC 1 and I have watched it ever since. Just because I like certain types of fight styles don't give me this BS. You aren't going to sit here and tell me whether or not I am a fan or fit to have an opinion of any sport. You are the type of guy that cracks me up. You think that the only guys who are fans are the ones with the same perspective as you. Get real, man. Lot of fans and FIGHTERS out there differ and like different things. So seriously, see it how you will and I will how I will. Dude, I am 35 and have been in boxing, wrestling, shotokan, tai kwan do, and recently getting into BJJ for fun.... big fight fan and was a street fighter as a kid growing up. I still like my thing and call things how I see it. So what? So is Rampage and everyone that thought Kimbo had a chance, just a dum knit wit too like me? I don't think so.

I hate that people think that a person has no right to like any other fighting style other than the one they are into. I like jiujitsu, but BJJ automatically = mma is not a true statement. If it was only BJJ or grapling only then it would be called a BJJ tournament or a pancrase tournament. Should I tell you to just stick to those tournaments because you like that style the most? Nah, thats the way your mind works not mine.

[rockinred]

Alright, but here is the million dollar question.

Why is Roy Nelson in the TUF show anyway? If he is really that good and has that many fights...why is he in the show? All it does is make it unfair to the others. I mean, where do you draw the line. Why not have Fedor in there or someone like that from a different org.

Most of the shows have studs and show the development of fighters, but this guy has been fighting top level dudes like Arlovski and stuff. That would put him in a different class than TUF and what does he have to prove to the UFC or anyone else for that matter? Seems silly to me.

Seriously tho.. can someone answer this question for me please. Or what's your opinion on this?

[ACJiujitsu]

I have to ask this.....Explain whats a street fighter? Because ive been in tons of fights growing up. Im from North jersey,about 15 minutes outside staten island. Ive been stabbed and hit with numerous weapons. I actual have trained for a long time,at wrestling,and boxing when i was young and BJJ as i got older. I have trained with some of the best guys in the world. yet i would NEVER EVER say i was a street fighter.So please explain to me what that entails.After this then i will continue to debate you.

[rockinred]

AC, you know exactly what it means... it means been in some real fights... You know the ones where no ref is involved... real fights. Whether you would refer yourself as a street fighter or not, it doesn't matter to me. I am not trying to flatter anyone, just giving some history because I am being told that I don't wtf I am talking about. Do I really need to elaborate.? You act like if I was boasting about it.. and then you go on to say you've been stabbed and had plenty of fights, but you wouldn't call it a street fighter? Ok, so I called it that, and it is a play on words that's about it. No difference. There are plenty of warriors out there...there is plenty of untapped killer instinctive people out there that are not prize fighting. I have seen it endless times.

Anyways... can pleaasee please continue to discuss this with me. If not my feelings might get hurt.

[roid_rage]

AC, Roid,

The conversation and opinions are over from my perspective. No need to come in and try and put me in my place.

Roid how old are you?

I was 18 when I first started watching UFC 1. yes that's right UFC 1 and I have watched it ever since. Just because I like certain types of fight styles don't give me this BS. You aren't going to sit here and tell me whether or not I am a fan or fit to have an opinion of any sport. You are the type of guy that cracks me up. You think that the only guys who are fans are the ones with the same perspective as you. Get real, man. Lot of fans and FIGHTERS out there differ and like different things. So seriously, see it how you will and I will how I will. Dude, I am 35 and have been in boxing, wrestling, shotokan, tai kwan do, and recently getting into BJJ for fun.... big fight fan and was a street fighter as a kid growing up. I still like my thing and call things how I see it. So what? So is Rampage and everyone that thought Kimbo had a chance, just a dum knit wit too like me? I don't think so.

I hate that people think that a person has no right to like any other fighting style other than the one they are into. I like jiujitsu, but BJJ automatically = mma is not a true statement. If it was only BJJ or grapling only then it would be called a BJJ tournament or a pancrase tournament. Should I tell you to just stick to those tournaments because you like that style the most? Nah, thats the way your mind works not mine.

Dude, there is no freaking problem with you liking the striking aspect of MMA over the grappling, not one single problem, but dont call bs win, or LnP a crucifix, or all the names you called Roy's win, Im no one to say if you are a MMA fan or not, but seriusly man, giving all that sh** to someone who made a good move TWICE (how many times do you see someone putting on a crucifix TWICE the same guy???) Its more than obvius are are prone to critizice and downplay the ground game, and even that is all right, but dont go and say all Roy did was lnP, because that's bs, it was a good move, and anyone in who knows something about the ground game will say so, that was a beautiful display of grappling over striking, nothing more...

Here the problem seems to be that the guy on botton was kimbo slice, if it was some other dude, ppl will be just ok...

By the way, im 29 and been around MMA from the start as well... .

[roid_rage]

Seriously tho.. can someone answer this question for me please. Or what's your opinion on this?

I agree, Roy in the show is ridiculous... I've always said that TUF should be all about discovering new talent, not a way for some stablished fighters to get into the UFC...

[rockinred]

Roid,

Ok, i think you made some valid points that I can shut up on. Like the point on the crucifix twice in the same match... Let me just stick to my perspective that I wasn't impressed with Ol Roy. That's all.. the dude was disrespectful to others in his camp and I come from old school of being respectful regardless... I mean he did sign up to play the game... play the game whether it was bs to him or not. To get called out like that by the coach is a lame to me. He lost some points on the like factor. After that he started acting solid... so I don't know. I get attracted to fighters based on their persona too. I can't stand truly arrogant fighters that think they are better than others. When he came off like that, I was like I hope he gets ktfo.

Anyways good enough for me then.

[roid_rage]

Roid,

Ok, i think you made some valid points that I can shut up on. Like the point on the crucifix twice in the same match... Let me just stick to my perspective that I wasn't impressed with Ol Roy. That's all.. the dude was disrespectful to others in his camp and I come from old school of being respectful regardless... I mean he did sign up to play the game... play the game whether it was bs to him or not. To get called out like that by the coach is a lame to me. He lost some points on the like factor. After that he started acting solid... so I don't know. I get attracted to fighters based on their persona too. I can't stand truly arrogant fighters that think they are better than others. When he came off like that, I was like I hope he gets ktfo.

Anyways good enough for me then.

You are totally allow to like or dislike a guy base on whatever you want man... It's totally fine. I my self also found pretty annoying the way roy behaved, hes kind of full of himself I think...

[ACJiujitsu]

Roid,

Ok, i think you made some valid points that I can shut up on. Like the point on the crucifix twice in the same match... Let me just stick to my perspective that I wasn't impressed with Ol Roy. That's all.. the dude was disrespectful to others in his camp and I come from old school of being respectful regardless... I mean he did sign up to play the game... play the game whether it was bs to him or not. To get called out like that by the coach is a lame to me. He lost some points on the like factor. After that he started acting solid... so I don't know. I get attracted to fighters based on their persona too. I can't stand truly arrogant fighters that think they are better than others. When he came off like that, I was like I hope he gets ktfo.

Anyways good enough for me then.

you have to remember one thing,the show is editied to show that way. We've heard many times before that the show is not at all what you see. So i dont know how you can say anyone was being disrespectful. From my view he was very respectful to Rashad and the others when he was being chastised. He didnt argue at all. You saw what everyone else saw in that dressing room. The coach yelled while Roy said 2 words the whole time. Do you have any other examples that i may have missed?

[J-Dogg]

Zimmy and AC, I don't care how you roll the dice, Roy may have won that fight, but he won very few fans over, and certainly did not impress Dana.

A lot of guys who never win TUF, and just do well, or are impressive, end up getting a shot in the UFC. With a performance like that, why would Roy ever receive that shot?

The only chance Roy has of landing some fights in the UFC, is if Kimbo racks up some victories, and they put him on a card against Roy to redeem his loss.

If he had won in impressive fashion, he would be way more likley to get more fights. Wandy is loosing 75% of his fights, but he still draws a crowed from a fan base, and putting on exciting fights.

I understand your points coming from a MMA enthusiast, but MMA in the UFC and TUF is about entertainment. I consider myself, a MMA enthusiast, too, but honestly, watching UFC 2 and 3 and watching Royce wear guys out with 45 min's of BJJ, I had better things to do. Hats off to him for winning, but it was like watching paint dry.

More people know who Roy is now, but a unimpressive victory, in MMA today, does not gain you any more fights. You are better off with a impressive loss.

Would Roy get more fights if he loss and fans were saying "Wow that was a fight, Roy dished it out, and took some hard shots, but he just kept coming!"

Or "He layed on him with his belly, and tapped Kimbo on the head".

The way the fight worked out to 90% of the fans, is Roy used a big belly to smoother a guy, and exploited a rule.