Lesnar vs. Carwin

[quarry206]

brett rogers is a big piece of shit, just fat as hell. fedor, rogers, all of the strike force scrub would lose by knockout to any of the contender heavyweights, so do u watch mma? u must just watch strikeforces free tv promos because you cant afford ppv. strikeforce is the ghetto ufc getting all of the ufc's castaways and has beens. the only legit heavyweight they have is duffee. get of strikeforce fedor and fat rogers. today its all about the lean hard hitting heavyweights of the ufc that will dismantle all other competition. u can watch those fat boy sumos bounce around all you want, fedor is not the best until he beats the best and he simply cant and wont, the only reason dana wants him is to prove to everybody he is a scrub

though i understand and agree with your over all point.. i think it is alittle extreme.. Fedor has beaten every past UFC heavy weight, and every number 1 contender ever put against him.

but i agree if he doesn't move to the UFC in the next year he will lose the right to say he is the current best heavy weight. but nobody in the world of MMA will say he wasn't the best HW of all time..

but we agree strike force is a F-ing joke. MMA needs to be more like boxing and any fighter can fight any other fighter.. not leagues, only promoters..

[gunslinger2]

Brock wont bully Carwin like he did Mir. Brock will go for the take down and Carwin will have Brock against the Cage and as Brock tries to take him down he will take Carwin's fkn jackhammers to the dome. Brock is not stronger than Carwin you moron, look how much faster Carwin put Mir out than Brock did, dont you even watch mma? Isnt even close. I fkn hate people like you who hang from that cocky pricks shrunken testicles.

Not only do I watch MMA I'm the grappling coach at the local MMA school and you are more than welcome to come spar with me you little bitch. Sign the papers and we will put it on youtube.

Put up or shut up you punk ass mother ****er.

[quarry206]

Brock wont bully Carwin like he did Mir. Brock will go for the take down and Carwin will have Brock against the Cage and as Brock tries to take him down he will take Carwin's fkn jackhammers to the dome. Brock is not stronger than Carwin you moron, look how much faster Carwin put Mir out than Brock did, dont you even watch mma? Isnt even close. I fkn hate people like you who hang from that cocky pricks shrunken testicles.

man settle down alittle, breath and give more fact or back ground than just name calling... nobody grows learns or can have even debates if we just go to name calling

Not only do I watch MMA I'm the grappling coach at the local MMA school and you are more than welcome to come spar with me you little bitch. Sign the papers and we will put it on youtube.

Put up or shut up you punk ass mother ****er.

though we have dis-agreed about if we can call lesnar "great" or not yet... because I do agree he is a really good fighter.

i will say lets keep the debates to facts or opinions that are based on something. . . this is a fun forum even if people dis-agree, you don't see peoples points unless you have friendly debates...


to everybody, if you can't debate friendly, take a breath and think before you type.. MMA is no different than rock, paper, scissors lets not forget that. for every fighter that wins 10 strait there is a nobody there to beat him with no reason why. . and until any of these fights actually happen, everything is just opinion so lets all settle down and debate friendly.

[scotimus]

ya i agree, the whole "do you even watch MMA?" line is getting old fast. there is debating,and then arguing and then there is being a whiny bitch.

[AlphaGenetics]

brett rogers is a big piece of shit, just fat as hell. fedor, rogers, all of the strike force scrub would lose by knockout to any of the contender heavyweights, so do u watch mma? u must just watch strikeforces free tv promos because you cant afford ppv. strikeforce is the ghetto ufc getting all of the ufc's castaways and has beens. the only legit heavyweight they have is duffee. get of strikeforce fedor and fat rogers. today its all about the lean hard hitting heavyweights of the ufc that will dismantle all other competition. u can watch those fat boy sumos bounce around all you want, fedor is not the best until he beats the best and he simply cant and wont, the only reason dana wants him is to prove to everybody he is a scrub

Are you serious kid? I was responding to your claims that the last "legit" fighter Fedor had fought was Arlowsky. You called Arlowsky "legit" and brett rogers ko'd him in the first round. Now your saying all of strike force suck (which I agree with the exception of fedor). When did I say strike force was the shit? You obviously like to argue for the sake of it and if your proven wrong you just change the subject (like my x wife) Your new nick name is "little miss cant be wrong" I want to see Fedor in the Ufc worse than anybody and think it gonna happen soon....

[AlphaGenetics]

Not only do I watch MMA I'm the grappling coach at the local MMA school and you are more than welcome to come spar with me you little bitch. Sign the papers and we will put it on youtube.

Put up or shut up you punk ass mother ****er.

I accept your challenge. I swear to god im serious. No need to sign papers we can just do it in a local gym and say were sparring. Ill even put money down that says I knock you out.

[AlphaGenetics]

ya i agree, the whole "do you even watch MMA?" line is getting old fast. there is debating,and then arguing and then there is being a whiny bitch.

Do you even watch mma?

[AlphaGenetics]

Not only do I watch MMA I'm the grappling coach at the local MMA school and you are more than welcome to come spar with me you little bitch. Sign the papers and we will put it on youtube.

Put up or shut up you punk ass mother ****er.

Please tell me you live near Sacramento.....Please. Your blood will flow like wine, respectively.

[AlphaGenetics]

Comon gunslinger, I see you down there lurking, answer my question, do you live near sacramento?

[AlphaGenetics]

My good friend is a local promoter and is putting on pro and amatour events. I can easily arrange for this to happen in a legit cage, sanctioned and everything, what weight do you fight at? Im heavyweight.

[AlphaGenetics]

Youve been an active user viewing this thread for over 30 minutes now, why is it taking you this long to answer me?

[gunslinger2]

Youve been an active user viewing this thread for over 30 minutes now, why is it taking you this long to answer me?

You got a pm.

[AlphaGenetics]

You live in tennesee and want me to fly there to fight some pea on? lmfao You challenged me bad boy. Back up your mouth.

[AlphaGenetics]

You wont answer what weight you are, I can get you a very good pay day if you fight me. All you have to do is put up 150 for your pro card and we can rumble in the Red Hawk Casino for Gladiator Challenge. My sparring partner is fighting for the super heavy weight title in may against Rick Vardell.

[AlphaGenetics]

HIs pm said he cant because he has a wife and three kids and dosent want to get shipped home in a body bag. lmao Hes a coward that challenges people to fight then dosent back his mouth up. Oho well Im done conversing with this coward.

[chadstud]

Haha gettin all fired up over your opinions on who can beat who over the net. It's immature. Pathetic even. Just state ur "facts" and debate on the other persons "facts" the fact Is fedora standup is sloppy. He can't come in the ufc and just swing away I doubt he could even win vs paul buentello. He needs to lean up and fight light heavy he is too small for lesnar carwin dos Santos Cain check any of them would easily win vs him. I doubt he could win in light heavy either .

Did anyone see the bellator welterweight fight last night? That kid can wrestle like a beast.

[chadstud]

Haha gettin all fired up over your opinions on who can beat who over the net. It's immature. Pathetic even. Just state ur "facts" and debate on the other persons "facts" the fact Is fedora standup is sloppy. He can't come in the ufc and just swing away I doubt he could even win vs paul buentello. He needs to lean up and fight light heavy he is too small for lesnar carwin dos Santos Cain check any of them would easily win vs him. I doubt he could win in light heavy either .

Did anyone see the bellator welterweight fight last night? That kid can wrestle like a beast.

[AlphaGenetics]

Haha gettin all fired up over your opinions on who can beat who over the net. It's immature. Pathetic even. Just state ur "facts" and debate on the other persons "facts" the fact Is fedora standup is sloppy. He can't come in the ufc and just swing away I doubt he could even win vs paul buentello. He needs to lean up and fight light heavy he is too small for lesnar carwin dos Santos Cain check any of them would easily win vs him. I doubt he could win in light heavy either .

Did anyone see the bellator welterweight fight last night? That kid can wrestle like a beast.

Fedor has the fastest hands in the heavyweight division. He has the best jujitsu in the heavyweight division IMO. You ever see how fast he can throw an armbar on somebody? He has the best ground and pound in the heavyweight division, mabe equal to what carwin's ground and pound would be if we would ever see it. lol I just hope vegas disrespects fedor as much as you do when he eventually goes into the ufc, Im gonna make alot of money. My mma fight picks are spot on. If anybody wants to challenge that check my posts for this section. Ive been right 99% of the time.

[AlphaGenetics]

Haha gettin all fired up over your opinions on who can beat who over the net. It's immature. Pathetic even. Just state ur "facts" and debate on the other persons "facts" the fact Is fedora standup is sloppy. He can't come in the ufc and just swing away I doubt he could even win vs paul buentello. He needs to lean up and fight light heavy he is too small for lesnar carwin dos Santos Cain check any of them would easily win vs him. I doubt he could win in light heavy either .

Did anyone see the bellator welterweight fight last night? That kid can wrestle like a beast.

And to respond to your getting all fired up statement, I wasnt fired up, I was serious, Ive been training for many many years and was actually excited to be able to get him in an event against me and post the fight here. My good friend is a respected promoter and could of arranged to get gunslinger a decent payday to fight me, and I love fighting people that disrespect me, its when I fight my best because Im actually a nice guy with a big heart and I do not enjoy hurting people. I LOVE mma and sometime I get a little too defensive when people disrespect my favorite fighters. That part is my bad.

[chadstud]

And to respond to your getting all fired up statement, I wasnt fired up, I was serious, Ive been training for many many years and was actually excited to be able to get him in an event against me and post the fight here. My good friend is a respected promoter and could of arranged to get gunslinger a decent payday to fight me, and I love fighting people that disrespect me, its when I fight my best because Im actually a nice guy with a big heart and I do not enjoy hurting people. I LOVE mma and sometime I get a little too defensive when people disrespect my favorite fighters. That part is my bad.

I know how u feel. But training mma is a privilege and with it cones responsibilty. At my gym we use the utmost respect while we spar and fight. But I do get excited talkin about my picks.

Now fedora jj we haven't discussed yet. He has probably the best aside from mir. His jj has got him out of many beatings. I just don't see fedor having enough power to phase Brock or carwin. He hasn't fought wrestlers in brock or carwins class. Arlovski-no Rogers-no silva-no no one of their caliber. Carwins not known for his wrestling but he was d2 collegiate. An he usually knocks em out an doesn't get a chance to. But he struggled in his jj against Rogers because he isn't strong enough to grapple with bigger men. U honestly think he can out wrestle Brock?

[quarry206]

though we have gotten way off topic, but fedors big advantage in my mind is that he doesn't do BJJ which alot of people focus so hard on.

he trains and always has trained in Sambo, which is a mix of 7 different styles..

so where other fighters learn one art, and then hire striking coaches, or grappling coachs or later in their career start BJJ.

he focus's on just one and a well rounded one.

but it also doesn't hurt that I honestly believe Fedor has the highest pain and knock out tolerance.

but also agree, though Fedor is the best HW ever. he needs to fight some of these new bread of fighters.

[AlphaGenetics]

I know how u feel. But training mma is a privilege and with it cones responsibilty. At my gym we use the utmost respect while we spar and fight. But I do get excited talkin about my picks.

Now fedora jj we haven't discussed yet. He has probably the best aside from mir. His jj has got him out of many beatings. I just don't see fedor having enough power to phase Brock or carwin. He hasn't fought wrestlers in brock or carwins class. Arlovski-no Rogers-no silva-no no one of their caliber. Carwins not known for his wrestling but he was d2 collegiate. An he usually knocks em out an doesn't get a chance to. But he struggled in his jj against Rogers because he isn't strong enough to grapple with bigger men. U honestly think he can out wrestle Brock?

I dont think fedor can out wrestle brock or carwin but this isnt a wrestling match. Fedor fought Coleman who at one time was the best wrestler in mma and we all know what happened. Fedor has a huge heart and I think that will be a big factor also. I still have my money on fedor.

[MIKE_XXL]

You're all pussies...my dad can beat up your dad, my uncles car is better then yours and my cusin is dating a super model while yours is fkn honless woman for bus change...come down guys, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, so lets not take this sht to personal...XXL

[pskyle]

I personally think Shane Carwin is going to win, he is a powerhouse in stand-up and his conditioning is amazing.

[quarry206]

i will say getting back to the OP...

though people have seen me debating on if lesnar is great or not...

I do fear that him getting sick and dropping 40pounds at one point is going to effect him against carwin.. though I don't think lesnar is some type of fighting god. I do believe he is a very good talent and something MMA needed. so i would hate to see him getting sick mess up his body so much that he never has the strength and speed again.

[AlphaGenetics]

You're all pussies...my dad can beat up your dad, my uncles car is better then yours and my cusin is dating a super model while yours is fkn honless woman for bus change...come down guys, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, so lets not take this sht to personal...XXL

Classy

[AlphaGenetics]

You're all pussies...my dad can beat up your dad, my uncles car is better then yours and my cusin is dating a super model while yours is fkn honless woman for bus change...come down guys, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, so lets not take this sht to personal...XXL

classy

[chadstud]

Shane and Brock are both beasts. I wouldn't mind either being the champ

[AlphaGenetics]

Im afraid to post in this thread because XXL Smurf might call us pussies again. We should have an anti agro smurf rule here..

[MIKE_XXL]

Im afraid to post in this thread because XXL Smurf might call us pussies again. We should have an anti agro smurf rule here..

It was a joke x-chromosone...so get over yourself and move on....

[J-Dogg]

Are you guys falling into the size hype of Carwin?

I doubt he is walking around at 300lbs.

He normally fights at 255. He's not cutting an extra 10lbs, he's walking around at 255.

Carwin is a legit 6'1" 255lb fighter in over sized gloves.

The size hype is the same strategy the UFC uses to promote each GSP fight as his "hardest fight of his career".

Carwin great 1 punch power. But I'm not going to say he has great hands. Napa was honestly tooling him, Carwin just caught him.

Carwin's a beast with a pretty solid chin, and happy to trade a punch for a punch.

But Brock is certainly, substantially bigger, and stronger than Carwin.

As far as the Carwin/Mir fight.

If you are not a Carwin nut hugger, it's pretty easy to tell Mir was happy to go up against the fence, he did not fight it. He had a bad plan, he was fighting relaxed, to take the fight into the further rounds against a fighter that does not like to make it past the first round. Mir is still one of the top 5 HW's in the class.

I love to add this to every fight post too, Fedor is yesterday's news. Just cause you beat the guy who changed my tires at Sam's club does not secure your spot at the top HW of the world.

[AlphaGenetics]

Are you guys falling into the size hype of Carwin?

I doubt he is walking around at 300lbs.

He normally fights at 255. He's not cutting an extra 10lbs, he's walking around at 255.

Carwin is a legit 6'1" 255lb fighter in over sized gloves.

The size hype is the same strategy the UFC uses to promote each GSP fight as his "hardest fight of his career".

Carwin great 1 punch power. But I'm not going to say he has great hands. Napa was honestly tooling him, Carwin just caught him.

Carwin's a beast with a pretty solid chin, and happy to trade a punch for a punch.

But Brock is certainly, substantially bigger, and stronger than Carwin.

As far as the Carwin/Mir fight.

If you are not a Carwin nut hugger, it's pretty easy to tell Mir was happy to go up against the fence, he did not fight it. He had a bad plan, he was fighting relaxed, to take the fight into the further rounds against a fighter that does not like to make it past the first round.Mir is still one of the top 5 HW's in the class.

I love to add this to every fight post too, Fedor is yesterday's news. Just cause you beat the guy who changed my tires at Sam's club does not secure your spot at the top HW of the world.

Mir got overpowered and destroyed by Carwin even with the 30 pounds of muscle he put on since the last Lesnar fight where it took Brock 3 rounds to win. If you use a little common sense and this as a measure stick of talent and power between Carwin and Brock its easy to see Carwin is going to win, unless your just a hopeless Brock nuthugger. As far as your Fedor comment goes its about as stupid as your naming mir a top 5 heavyweight. Mir will be changing tires at Sam's club soon. IMHO

[chadstud]

Are you guys falling into the size hype of Carwin?

I doubt he is walking around at 300lbs.

He normally fights at 255. He's not cutting an extra 10lbs, he's walking around at 255.

Carwin is a legit 6'1" 255lb fighter in over sized gloves.

The size hype is the same strategy the UFC uses to promote each GSP fight as his "hardest fight of his career".

Carwin great 1 punch power. But I'm not going to say he has great hands. Napa was honestly tooling him, Carwin just caught him.

Carwin's a beast with a pretty solid chin, and happy to trade a punch for a punch.

But Brock is certainly, substantially bigger, and stronger than Carwin.

As far as the Carwin/Mir fight.

If you are not a Carwin nut hugger, it's pretty easy to tell Mir was happy to go up against the fence, he did not fight it. He had a bad plan, he was fighting relaxed, to take the fight into the further rounds against a fighter that does not like to make it past the first round. Mir is still one of the top 5 HW's in the class.

I love to add this to every fight post too, Fedor is yesterday's news. Just cause you beat the guy who changed my tires at Sam's club does not secure your spot at the top HW of the world.

you are a moron, so because he used to work their means he cant fight? lol what about rich franklin who is a school teacher, what about rashad who was a security gaurd, carwin is an engineer, everyone did something before they fought,

[J-Dogg]

Mir got overpowered and destroyed by Carwin even with the 30 pounds of muscle he put on since the last Lesnar fight where it took Brock 3 rounds to win. If you use a little common sense and this as a measure stick of talent and power between Carwin and Brock its easy to see Carwin is going to win, unless your just a hopeless Brock nuthugger. As far as your Fedor comment goes its about as stupid as your naming mir a top 5 heavyweight. Mir will be changing tires at Sam's club soon. IMHO

Mir has never been considered a powerful fighter, wrestler or a dirty boxer.

If you watch the fight, he gladly went against the fence when Carwin put him there, he's a BJJ black belt, he does not mind that type of position, or being on the bottom. Just cause Carwin is stronger than Mir, hardly makes him to be in a position to over power Lesnar or beat him.

If you remember, Randy was able to put Lesnar on the fence for awhile....until he did not want to be there. Just because you are on the fence, does not mean you are there against your will. This is not Sumo my friend.


But let me just clarify what you are saying for my sake and my lack of MMA "common sense".

-So by your measure, because Carwin beat Mir in 30 seconds, and Lesnar beat him over 3 rounds....Carwin is the better fighter?

-Mir put on 30lbs, and Carwin was stronger = Carwin stronger than Lesnar?


If you want to say Carwin is bigger, stronger and more athletic than Lesnar, I'll just bow out of the conversation right now. Carwin's size has been inflated from 6'1" to 6'6" and 255lbs to 300lbs.


As far as Mr. Rogers. He has had almost zero fight experience, he caught AA who I would not even rank in the top 10 since Sylvia knocked him out the first time. Immediately that puts him in the top spot against Fedor... Face it, Fedor has only fought the UFC rejects in other organizations. At one time, Fedor was the most dominate HW fighter in the world, and Wandy was also the most dominate LHW of the world.

Things change, if Wandy never came to the UFC, he'd still be considered the best LHW in the world short of Shogun perhaps. But he's fighting the best in the world, and is not ranked anymore, just like Crocrop.

[J-Dogg]

you are a moron, so because he used to work their means he cant fight? lol what about rich franklin who is a school teacher, what about rashad who was a security gaurd, carwin is an engineer, everyone did something before they fought,

Thanks for the insults, shows your frustration and lack of clarity.

Franklin was a teacher, 5 years ago in 2005. His first fights were not against top level competition. after going 4-0 he was able to gain the belt. That being said, 5 years ago the competition and the sport of MMA has gotten a lot stiffer and has evolved a better fighter.

Rashad did not just pop onto the scene and was listed as a top HW or LHW. He had to go 15-0 before he got a shot at the title, and if you doubt he was learning as he was fighting, you might want to go back and watch his fights when he was a security gaurd to his fights now.

Carwin beat a lot of guys in the first round, Tank Abbot use to do the same. I've seen his hands on display, vs. Nappa and was not that impressed with is stand up. What he does have is some massive power. That does not make him a skilled fighter though. He was born with a solid chin, and some powerful strikes, none of which was learned via training.

Brett Rogers I poke fun at because he was changing tires on Tuesday, beat "glass joe" AA with the 2nd punch he threw, and was put in the top 5 HWs.
I just think the only reason he was put in top 10 in the first place was because of the amount of fan's Fedor has, and they want to hold onto his legacy. Putting Rodgers in the top 10 was only because he was fighting Fedor.

[J-Dogg]

I personally think Shane Carwin is going to win, he is a powerhouse in stand-up and his conditioning is amazing.

lol his conditioning has never been tested past 2 minutes?

[quarry206]

j-dogg, do you have any type of references to what you are saying?

you say carwin is 255, but sherdog.com mmaweekly, and yahoo sports all list and have articles about carwin's off season weight being 295 and weigh in weight as 265. so where are you getting 255?

and though i would not want to be punched by lesnar at all, hell i lift more than him, where is everybody getting off saying he is this ungodly strength?


btw carwin was quoted very recent as saying in his opinion Fedor would beat brock. and stated his opening weight for training camp was 290lbs
http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/20...in/index.shtml

[J-Dogg]

j-dogg, do you have any type of references to what you are saying?

you say carwin is 255, but sherdog.com mmaweekly, and yahoo sports all list and have articles about carwin's off season weight being 295 and weigh in weight as 265. so where are you getting 255?

and though i would not want to be punched by lesnar at all, hell i lift more than him, where is everybody getting off saying he is this ungodly strength?

Those same articals list him at 6'4" or 6'5" also....

Look at the weigh in's where he stares down with Nappa who is listed at 6'2".

Nappa is bare foot, and for some reason still taller than Carwin who they put a pair of sneakers on.

Bobby Lashely (listed at 6'1" and 252lbs) who appears the same height and larger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyATTGruT4

Now tell me Carwin is 6'5" and 300lbs.

[AlphaGenetics]

Mir has never been considered a powerful fighter, wrestler or a dirty boxer.

If you watch the fight, he gladly went against the fence when Carwin put him there, he's a BJJ black belt, he does not mind that type of position, or being on the bottom. Just cause Carwin is stronger than Mir, hardly makes him to be in a position to over power Lesnar or beat him.

If you remember, Randy was able to put Lesnar on the fence for awhile....until he did not want to be there. Just because you are on the fence, does not mean you are there against your will. This is not Sumo my friend.


But let me just clarify what you are saying for my sake and my lack of MMA "common sense".

-So by your measure, because Carwin beat Mir in 30 seconds, and Lesnar beat him over 3 rounds....Carwin is the better fighter?

-Mir put on 30lbs, and Carwin was stronger = Carwin stronger than Lesnar?


If you want to say Carwin is bigger, stronger and more athletic than Lesnar, I'll just bow out of the conversation right now. Carwin's size has been inflated from 6'1" to 6'6" and 255lbs to 300lbs.


As far as Mr. Rogers. He has had almost zero fight experience, he caught AA who I would not even rank in the top 10 since Sylvia knocked him out the first time. Immediately that puts him in the top spot against Fedor... Face it, Fedor has only fought the UFC rejects in other organizations. At one time, Fedor was the most dominate HW fighter in the world, and Wandy was also the most dominate LHW of the world.

Things change, if Wandy never came to the UFC, he'd still be considered the best LHW in the world short of Shogun perhaps. But he's fighting the best in the world, and is not ranked anymore, just like Crocrop.

So basically your saying that the weighins are rigged?? Your sayin carwin is really 255 and 6'1? Where the hell do you get your info?? Are you going to say Carwin is a transgender next??!!

[J-Dogg]

So basically your saying that the weighins are rigged?? Your sayin carwin is really 255 and 6'1? Where the hell do you get your info?? Are you going to say Carwin is a transgender next??!!

I'm saying the UFC blowing up Carwins size to make the fight more interesting verse Brock.

Refer to my video link above cup cake.

Don't you see the marketing strategy? Brock Lesnar...the human who is cross breed with a gorilla.....finally meats his match.....the 6'5" Monster, 300lb, 5xl gloved SHANE CARWIN!

But for some reason is smaller than the 6'1" 255lb Bobby Lashley in the video.