brock lesnar #1 deal with it

**icepick27** · 07-04-2010, 02:27 PM

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

**Big** · 07-04-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

what Brock haters? don't take this the wrong way, but your posts and especially your thread titles sound like something a high-school kid would say, like you're always trying to incite an argument.

**yannick35** · 07-04-2010, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

People take this way to personal, they don't understand that Brock Lesner took is pro wrestling character into MMA. Is speech after he won was a lot more mature.

I was impressed by Brock during the fight, and to be honest i really don't see who could beat him now, he got submissions now how sick is that, and with the arms that big who the hell could have kicked out.

Cain Valascez is next in line, he is amazing but i really don't see him win against Lesner.

As for Fedor well Dana said it best, people hate Dana White but they must admit that he knows what sells and what doesn't and he knows how to play the game, its all planed in is head and MMA would not be where its at now if it was not for him.

He said he does not have any interest in Fedor because for him he did not fight any worthy opponent in 5 years, well he fought an under weight Lindeland, Tim Sylvia, Andrea Arlovski, Brett Rogers and Fabricio Werdum.

The only one i never understood why he was cut from the UFC was Werdum because he is one great fighter for the rest they will probably never make the UFC again.

**Biohazard74** · 07-04-2010, 02:59 PM

I respect Brock alot and admire both fighters alot as well. But to call Brock the best? Yes he is the best in the UFC imo. Do i think anyone else can beat him? Yes i do. Who i think can beat him is not important but lets look at who Brock did beat last night. A great puncher that gassed in 3 to 4 minutes and could barely stand up on his own basically. Then and only then did he and was he able to take him down. What happens when you go against someone with very close the punching power as Shane but can go the distance? Not hating on anyone especially the fighters but its all obvious in last nights fight.

**ironhead2000** · 07-04-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

thats wat im saying! dont see how these fedor fans dont understand hes only been fighting garbage washed up fighters the last five years!

**ftony** · 07-04-2010, 03:30 PM

Lets not get to carried away here...

I give credit where credit is do,but this fight could have easily been stopped in the first round....Herb dean stops this fight fellas,I bet anything on that...

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 07-04-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Biohazard74

I respect Brock alot and admire both fighters alot as well. But to call Brock the best? Yes he is the best in the UFC imo. Do i think anyone else can beat him? Yes i do. Who i think can beat him is not important but lets look at who Brock did beat last night. A great puncher that gassed in 3 to 4 minutes and could barely stand up on his own basically. Then and only then did he and was he able to take him down. What happens when you go against someone with very close the punching power as Shane but can go the distance? Not hating on anyone especially the fighters but its all obvious in last nights fight.

Great post, and Im surprised many didnt see the same fight I did.

**collar** · 07-04-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Big

what Brock haters? don't take this the wrong way, but your posts and especially your thread titles sound like something a high-school kid would say, like you're always trying to incite an argument.

I totally agree man.

**quarry206** · 07-05-2010, 01:14 AM

icepick..

i'll have to admit.. i was very impressed with brock.. i had always said that brock would only be good with alot more training..

but carwin tested him in alot of areas i thought brock was weak in.. I was wrong, brock took hits and had a very improved set of lunges on him.

brock is the real deal,,

**icepick27** · 07-05-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Big

what Brock haters? don't take this the wrong way, but your posts and especially your thread titles sound like something a high-school kid would say, like you're always trying to incite an argument.

Well I kinda am a little bit ,because ever since I started comming on this thread I have been saying brock is tghe real deal and every jerkoff in the book ,would talk shit on brock and tell me how great fedor is .so maybe iam .take it how you want to take it .if you don't like it don't read it ,no hard feelings

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 07-05-2010, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

Well I kinda am a little bit ,because ever since I started comming on this thread I have been saying brock is tghe real deal and every jerkoff in the book ,would talk shit on brock and tell me how great fedor is .so maybe iam .take it how you want to take it .if you don't like it don't read it ,no hard feelings

What I dont understand, is why cant Brock and Fedor both be great fighters? Is that so hard to accept?

**Tambit24** · 07-05-2010, 09:34 AM

The fight shouldn't have made it out of the first round. There were about 2 times where it could have been stoppe by the ref and not be questioned. I think Brock was lucky to get in to the 2nd round. Not to take anything away from him. I was very impreesed by the submission, but when he first dropped to the ground and was rocked he just curled up and covered his head and took a beatin.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 07-05-2010, 09:41 AM

Just want to add something...

Did anyone else find it odd how similar this fight played out, when compared to Brock's fight against Mir..? (the first fight; where Mir won).

Brock came out, and just punched Mir's face in for the first round. And then in the second everyone thought it was over for Mir; yet he got the ankle/foot lock, and got a submission victory... I truly thought this was almost identical; however, Lesnar won this time...

-VM

**icepick27** · 07-05-2010, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Biohazard74

I respect Brock alot and admire both fighters alot as well. But to call Brock the best? Yes he is the best in the UFC imo. Do i think anyone else can beat him? Yes i do. Who i think can beat him is not important but lets look at who Brock did beat last night. A great puncher that gassed in 3 to 4 minutes and could barely stand up on his own basically. Then and only then did he and was he able to take him down. What happens when you go against someone with very close the punching power as Shane but can go the distance? Not hating on anyone especially the fighters but its all obvious in last nights fight.

Your nutz bro! How can you take anything away from either fighter? Shane carwin looked amazing also he just gassed,he's not just a great puncher he is a great fighter period.so my question to you is who? Who is better then brock right now ?brock and shane are the 2 top heavyweights in the world right now without a doubt.followed by dosontos and cain .fedor has a hard time making it in my top 5 heavyweights right now .I have been saying this for a while now.iam not saying this because brock just won and fedor just lost either,this is how I always felt .chedck my posts

**icepick27** · 07-05-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by WHOADY4SHOADY

What I dont understand, is why cant Brock and Fedor both be great fighters? Is that so hard to accept?

Good point.and yea they can both be great fighters.but don't sit there and say fedor is the king and fedor is the best when cleary he is not,just say it how it really is .they are both great fighters ,but brock is #1 and feddor is about 5 or 6

**quarry206** · 07-05-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

Good point.and yea they can both be great fighters.but don't sit there and say fedor is the king and fedor is the best when cleary he is not,just say it how it really is .they are both great fighters ,but brock is #1 and feddor is about 5 or 6

i think just like all fans fedor, just as brock, just as jordon, tiger woods and anybody.. fans make people into god like status..

when everybody is human.

me personally i have only not understoud the disrespect fedor got when he has fought every great fighter there was, EXCept for the past 18months.. and I just don't think you can take away from what he did for years.

**zimmy** · 07-06-2010, 08:24 AM

I think the ref should have called it. I think he let it go that long because of what happened with Mir and him....difference is...he was bashing mir's face and mir was trying to go for something...he was getting bashed and he was curling up and not intelligently defending. But great sub though.

**Knockout_Power** · 07-06-2010, 09:37 AM

The stoppage debate will go on forever. While there were a good few shots that landed and hurt Brock on the ground, the majority landed on glove and forearm. When you have arms and hands as big as Brocks and Carwin is trying to get his cinder blocks through, there isnt that much room to land clear shots. If Brocks arms had gone limp at any point during the pounding I think it would have been stopped. Either way, great fight. Both fighters brought something to the table and Brock walked away with his belt. And the post fight was much better than his usual WWE BS which has shown his maturity as a person in the sport.

**Biohazard74** · 07-06-2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

Your nutz bro! How can you take anything away from either fighter? Shane carwin looked amazing also he just gassed,he's not just a great puncher he is a great fighter period.so my question to you is who? Who is better then brock right now ?brock and shane are the 2 top heavyweights in the world right now without a doubt.followed by dosontos and cain .fedor has a hard time making it in my top 5 heavyweights right now .I have been saying this for a while now.iam not saying this because brock just won and fedor just lost either,this is how I always felt .chedck my posts

Just watch the fight. You will see. At 2:38 Carwins mouth was wide open. What hapens if someone on top of you that won't gas? Like I said. I like and respect all the fighters being talked about. But facts are facts.

**Big** · 07-06-2010, 06:05 PM

The thing that has impressed me most lately about Brock wasn't in the ring, it's the level of tact and maturity he has handled himself with behind the camera. I'm not sure if it's due to the illness and seriousness of it, of other factors all together, but he is much easier for me to like without the "WWE" mentality.

**mesonerz** · 07-06-2010, 07:29 PM

I still want to see a Fedor/Lesnar fight. Although i would really like to see a Overeem/Lesnar fight.

**collar** · 07-06-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Big

The thing that has impressed me most lately about Brock wasn't in the ring, it's the level of tact and maturity he has handled himself with behind the camera. I'm not sure if it's due to the illness and seriousness of it, of other factors all together, but he is much easier for me to like without the "WWE" mentality.

yeah your right his attitude has changed, but he did come from wwe background so meaning he knows how to play it up to the cameras to become the villian and then knows how to reverse that to make him look like the awesome character he has become.

He also picked perfect time straight after his illness, other factors would be is he probably did really hate mir and many others..

I didnt care when ppl hated his attitude and so on, I like the guy his good for the sport and I see so much potential in a guy that comes from something so fake to the real thing and in only like 3 fights or whatever it was to carry the belt.

After that we just sit and watch his character and skills improve.

What I do like about brock the most is he might be heavyweight but he surely does not move like one, not at all.

**sooners04** · 07-08-2010, 01:59 PM

Carwin gassed, but to his defense, the ref kept saying he was going to stop it if Brock didn't defend himself. Personally I would have stood back up if I was Carwin and beat his ass some more. Brock only has a handful of fights, granted most of them are against solid guys, but he still has some work to do.

**icepick27** · 07-09-2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by quarry206

i think just like all fans fedor, just as brock, just as jordon, tiger woods and anybody.. fans make people into god like status..

when everybody is human.

me personally i have only not understoud the disrespect fedor got when he has fought every great fighter there was, EXCept for the past 18months.. and I just don't think you can take away from what he did for years.

No one is?but on the same note how can he still be the best in the world right now based on what he did 10 15 fights ago??cause nothing he has done recently should even get him in the top 10

**icepick27** · 07-09-2010, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Biohazard74

Just watch the fight. You will see. At 2:38 Carwins mouth was wide open. What hapens if someone on top of you that won't gas? Like I said. I like and respect all the fighters being talked about. But facts are facts.

what are you even taling about?who else besides carwin, can put brock down like that and hold him down like that ?each fighter brings different problems in the cage for brock .with carwin it was some one who has ko power and is just as big and stong as brock.cain brings a different set of problems ,cardio,speed and sharp boxing ,but i dont think he is going to have lesnar back stepping and curling up from shots ,then dropping him and holding him down with ground and pound.so what are you talking about ?

**icepick27** · 07-09-2010, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

The stoppage debate will go on forever. While there were a good few shots that landed and hurt Brock on the ground, the majority landed on glove and forearm. When you have arms and hands as big as Brocks and Carwin is trying to get his cinder blocks through, there isnt that much room to land clear shots. If Brocks arms had gone limp at any point during the pounding I think it would have been stopped. Either way, great fight. Both fighters brought something to the table and Brock walked away with his belt. And the post fight was much better than his usual WWE BS which has shown his maturity as a person in the sport.

good post

**ocnorb40** · 07-10-2010, 07:54 AM

Clearly the fight could have been stopped on at least 2 occasions. For those who have followed the sport from its inception understand the reason why there is a quicker trigger to stop these fights. Back in the day there were few if any stopped quickly including submissions. Zuffa/White want this sport mainstream and to have what looks to be a brutal beating won't get this sport where it wants to go. Unfortunantly I think you will see more fights stopped early than allowed to continue. Obviously Brock survived, got up at the end of the round and you knew then Carwin was finished. Kudos to the ref for allowing the action to continue. With over a million pay per view hits at $50 a pop we certainly got our moneys worth on this card.

MC

**Jitsu player** · 07-10-2010, 11:38 AM

I'm a big Brock fan but I think he was very lucky to get threw the first round as it was close to being stopped, no way you can say covering your face with your gloves would be classed an intelligently defending yourself. Think Carwin smelt blood and tried to pound the shit out of him and gassed, if he steps back allows Brock to stand I think he wins the fight. Still big props to Brock because he took him down and finished him and proves he is #1. For me Fedor is way back.....behind Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos, Cain, and arguably even now Werdum...

**BigMyke** · 07-10-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Tambit24

The fight shouldn't have made it out of the first round. There were about 2 times where it could have been stoppe by the ref and not be questioned. I think Brock was lucky to get in to the 2nd round. Not to take anything away from him. I was very impreesed by the submission, but when he first dropped to the ground and was rocked he just curled up and covered his head and took a beatin.

I think Dana White told the ref not to stop the fight unless someone was knocked out,not fo nothing but it was the right move,Brock was down but not out and he came up with the win. He was the tougher more conditioned fighter. Brock Rules Baby!!

**RonCarlston** · 07-10-2010, 06:53 PM

It was impressive that he managed to come out in the second round and pull that off. he went up a few notches in my book. having said that i'm confident someone will dethrone him soon

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-12-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

Your a very special person and your knowledge is overwhelming. Your basically an incredible man with the ability to reconize talent when it isnt apparent to anyone else in the world. My hats off to you my friend!!

**sean_holland** · 07-13-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

What's up now all you brock haters ?brock is a true champion and also the #1 heavyweight in the world .I have been saying this for a while .carwin was the only man I thought had the best chance to beat brock .my hat goes off to carwin as well he is definlitly #2 heavyweight in the world .fedor does not stand a chance against brock or carwin

Why do you post like a 12 year old on Sherdog? Brock is a great fighter, he's committed to learning and training hard. He has a great amateur background and is very respected already in the MMA community.

I feel like he should be able to walk through Cain. Velasquez has been fed cans up until this point. Kongo, should only take a dominant fighter 1-2 rounds to finish easy, Rothwell is well passed his prime (if he had one) and has no gas tank, Big Nog (I love ya Big Nog) is punched out and a gate keeper to the HW rankings at best at this point in his career.

JDS is the real threat to Brock. He has the striking of Carwin (not the power) and can KO with Head Kicks, Muay Thai clinch knees, or chop you down with leg kicks. He has a solid BJJ background and a gas tank to go at least 3 rounds. (He did just beat Werdum, the guy who stopped Fedor).

If JDS gets his chin tested (which he should) against Nelson and comes out with the win on the other side, I would venture to say he is Brock's biggest challenge to date.

**icepick27** · 07-13-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by sean_holland

Why do you post like a 12 year old on Sherdog? Brock is a great fighter, he's committed to learning and training hard. He has a great amateur background and is very respected already in the MMA community.

I feel like he should be able to walk through Cain. Velasquez has been fed cans up until this point. Kongo, should only take a dominant fighter 1-2 rounds to finish easy, Rothwell is well passed his prime (if he had one) and has no gas tank, Big Nog (I love ya Big Nog) is punched out and a gate keeper to the HW rankings at best at this point in his career.

JDS is the real threat to Brock. He has the striking of Carwin (not the power) and can KO with Head Kicks, Muay Thai clinch knees, or chop you down with leg kicks. He has a solid BJJ background and a gas tank to go at least 3 rounds. (He did just beat Werdum, the guy who stopped Fedor).

If JDS gets his chin tested (which he should) against Nelson and comes out with the win on the other side, I would venture to say he is Brock's biggest challenge to date.

I don't plan on writing a book any time soon.so who cares about my writing? But on the other hand I agree with your post 100% good post .iam just afraid that if brock dont put cain away early it might come back to haunt him .but brock looked good all 3rounds against,the crazy horse .so we know he has 3 good rounds in him so I think brock should walk through cain .and also agree with your dosontos angle ,even though a jujitzu guy who is a lot smaller then brock was able to hold dosontos down the whole fight untill he submited .I think if brock don't get caught by dosontos he will take him out inside 2rds.

**sean_holland** · 07-13-2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

I don't plan on writing a book any time soon.so who cares about my writing? But on the other hand I agree with your post 100% good post .iam just afraid that if brock dont put cain away early it might come back to haunt him .but brock looked good all 3rounds against,the crazy horse .so we know he has 3 good rounds in him so I think brock should walk through cain .and also agree with your dosontos angle ,even though a jujitzu guy who is a lot smaller then brock was able to hold dosontos down the whole fight untill he submited .I think if brock don't get caught by dosontos he will take him out inside 2rds.

I think if Cain and Brock start laying on each other, then its very much a toss up. But I have seen some recent Velasquez interviews where he is talking about the level of his striking and if his recent wins lead him to believe that he is a world class HW striker, he will get shot on, and grounded out by Brock.

I agree that Dos Santos will NOT win if he gets put to the canvas. There is no way he will be able to strike defend against Brock's GnP but Dos Santos is very fast, and a very fast striker from every part of his body, Brock has never fought a guy with the multi-facet attack of Junior.

I think given a good game plan Brock could beat them both with brute strength and perseverance but Dos Santos in my mind provides the bigger threat.

I really hate how they show that one highlight from the Lesnar/Herring fight. Heath gave Brock a decent fight and would not go away or get punched out. I would like to see Crazy Horse back in the UFC once again. If Fat Ass Mark Hunt can get a UFC shot, then Herring for sure should get one more.

**icepick27** · 07-13-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by sean_holland

I think if Cain and Brock start laying on each other, then its very much a toss up. But I have seen some recent Velasquez interviews where he is talking about the level of his striking and if his recent wins lead him to believe that he is a world class HW striker, he will get shot on, and grounded out by Brock.

I agree that Dos Santos will NOT win if he gets put to the canvas. There is no way he will be able to strike defend against Brock's GnP but Dos Santos is very fast, and a very fast striker from every part of his body, Brock has never fought a guy with the multi-facet attack of Junior.

I think given a good game plan Brock could beat them both with brute strength and perseverance but Dos Santos in my mind provides the bigger threat.

I really hate how they show that one highlight from the Lesnar/Herring fight. Heath gave Brock a decent fight and would not go away or get punched out. I would like to see Crazy Horse back in the UFC once again. If Fat Ass Mark Hunt can get a UFC shot, then Herring for sure should get one more.

I agree you 1000% .definlitly on dosontos (on how brock can beat him.and how he Can beat brock)..I also liked what you said about cain.
brocks striking does suck .he is just way to stiff for some reason.do you think its because of the muscle mass ?carwin has lost a lot of muscle mass and looks soft now and his striking has improved .do you think that's why carwin lost his chizzled body to be able to move better when striking?

**sean_holland** · 07-14-2010, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

I agree you 1000% .definlitly on dosontos (on how brock can beat him.and how he Can beat brock)..I also liked what you said about cain.
brocks striking does suck .he is just way to stiff for some reason.do you think its because of the muscle mass ?carwin has lost a lot of muscle mass and looks soft now and his striking has improved .do you think that's why carwin lost his chizzled body to be able to move better when striking?

I think the more muscle mass you carry the stiffer you get, the optimal physique is Cheick Kongo at HW (though it tough to be a strong wrestler at only 240). So maybe Velasquez.

I know that more muscle = more oxygen needed to work those muscles, and that can be very detrimental when trying to sustain an onslaught for extended periods of time.

I think guys like Duffee, Carwin & Overeem rely heavily on a fight being stopped as soon as possible and don't want to go deep into the 2nd, 3rd or god forbid 4th or 5th round.

I know you don't like Fedor, but the body composition of Fedor, Nog, Mir, Cain, Dos Santos, Big Foot, and Mirko always seemed to have the most sustainable energy mixed with speed and strength. (Granted some of these fighters are past their prime, I'm only speaking of their physique and not their actual fighting currently.)

Its fine to be big if you can maul someone, but get caught once or twice, miss a shoot, etc, etc you could find that an overgrown body can be a disadvantage in the long run.

**Dylan Rich** · 07-16-2010, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by quarry206

me personally i have only not understoud the disrespect fedor got when he has fought every great fighter there was, EXCept for the past 18months.. and I just don't think you can take away from what he did for years.

18 months?
More like 5 years.
Fedor use to be a killer. Then M1 made it all about money not about competition.

Brock is King of the Hill for now and awhile to come.
Fedor got beat by second class fighter. Which is a step up from the 3rd class he usually fights. Theres no way Fedor would fight and/or win against Lesnar or Ubereem.

**Dylan Rich** · 07-16-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by BigMyke

I think Dana White told the ref not to stop the fight unless someone was knocked out,not fo nothing but it was the right move,Brock was down but not out and he came up with the win. He was the tougher more conditioned fighter. Brock Rules Baby!!

Dana has zero control over the refs. They are assigned by Nevada State Comission. Hence the reason he says he hates "this ref" but they still end up reffing in UFC.

Expect Big John McCarthy to be back in the UFC soon.

**Walnutz** · 07-16-2010, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dylan Rich

Dana has zero control over the refs. They are assigned by Nevada State Comission. Hence the reason he says he hates "this ref" but they still end up reffing in UFC.

Expect Big John McCarthy to be back in the UFC soon.

Right on about Dana and the refs. No idea why people thinks he controls them or the outcome of a fight.

Why did Big John leave?

**Biohazard74** · 07-16-2010, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dylan Rich

Dana has zero control over the refs. They are assigned by Nevada State Comission. Hence the reason he says he hates "this ref" but they still end up reffing in UFC.

Expect Big John McCarthy to be back in the UFC soon.

Legal control, NO. Pay off under the table control? YESSSSSS !!!! Big time !