Contest prep cycle

**thephil** · 02-22-2012, 09:13 PM

Im planning on doin my second comp next year and am just thinking ahead. I have done one comp befor but i competed naturaly. So this would b my first comp that i am going to cycle into. A mate of mine who is doin the same comp mentioned that he will be doing a 20week prep. I was only planning on doing a 12-14 week prep. My question is. How do i plan a cycle for this prep. Do i run just test the whole way through and start the cutting agents at 12 weeks out or do i start the begenning of the prep natty and start it all togeather later on in ther prep? If u have done either before i would appriecate your insight

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**H93** · 03-08-2013, 06:38 PM

oops

**Knockout_Power** · 03-08-2013, 06:42 PM

No idea about contest prep but that pic is impressive

**m_donnelly** · 03-08-2013, 07:39 PM

Back when I competed, I ran test prop (100mg EOD) and winny (50mg-100mg EOD) before shows. I ran test for the entirety of the cycle (16 weeks). I'd toss the winny in at week 10 and run it until the end. I would start a running clenbuterol or ECA (or phen once) over the last month of prep. I tended to avoid then as much as possible though as they phuck with me. Tren is fantastic if you can tolerate it but I couldn't.

I also stacked 800mgs of primo but I didn't feel like it was worth the money and it was hard to find.

I had all of the ancillinary drugs too; Arimidex , hCG , Clomid and Nolva.

I usually finished up the cycle about five days out from the show as they were drug tested.

**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-08-2013, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by thephil

Im planning on doin my second comp next year and am just thinking ahead. I have done one comp befor but i competed naturaly. So this would b my first comp that i am going to cycle into. A mate of mine who is doin the same comp mentioned that he will be doing a 20week prep. I was only planning on doing a 12-14 week prep. My question is. How do i plan a cycle for this prep. Do i run just test the whole way through and start the cutting agents at 12 weeks out or do i start the begenning of the prep natty and start it all togeather later on in ther prep? If u have done either before i would appriecate your insight

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I'm in the same boat as you man. I've competed once naturally an will be doing another show in October on the goods. What are our current stats and cycle history?

**hankdiesel** · 03-09-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by m_donnelly

Back when I competed, I ran test prop (100mg EOD) and winny (50mg-100mg EOD) before shows. I ran test for the entirety of the cycle (16 weeks). I'd toss the winny in at week 10 and run it until the end. I would start a running clenbuterol or ECA (or phen once) over the last month of prep. I tended to avoid then as much as possible though as they phuck with me. Tren is fantastic if you can tolerate it but I couldn't.

I also stacked 800mgs of primo but I didn't feel like it was worth the money and it was hard to find.

I had all of the ancillinary drugs too; Arimidex , hCG , Clomid and Nolva.

I usually finished up the cycle about five days out from the show as they were drug tested.

way to go bro! You juiced for a natural show! Congrats! Grow some balls and compete in open shows in the future.

**m_donnelly** · 03-09-2013, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

way to go bro! You juiced for a natural show! Congrats! Grow some balls and compete in open shows in the future.

It was over a decade ago; there were no "open shows ". It was a phucking NPC show and far from "natural". Everything back then was "tested" in some way or another. So, why don't you just keep your phucking trap shut; you don't know me and you most certainly shouldn't be judging me.

**m_donnelly** · 03-09-2013, 08:15 PM

And, FYI, the reason I started doing NPC shows was so I could run gear because I knew it was just leveling the playing field. I competed in natural NGA and Muscle Mania competitions before that, stayed clean and got tired of watching the top places going to guys using. It was either jump on that band wagon and be the smartest kid with Down Syndrome or start running gear and try and play with the big boys.

**hankdiesel** · 03-12-2013, 06:14 AM

Over a decade ago there were no open NPC shows? That is total bullshit. I do judge people who use in natural shows because I handle contests prep for guys that enter natural shows and it really pisses me off that they may be getting beat by people who are on shit. You are definitely contradicting yourself a little in your posts but I do apologize if I wrongly accused you.

**m_donnelly** · 03-12-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Over a decade ago there were no open NPC shows? That is total bullshit. I do judge people who use in natural shows because I handle contests prep for guys that enter natural shows and it really pisses me off that they may be getting beat by people who are on shit. You are definitely contradicting yourself a little in your posts but I do apologize if I wrongly accused you.

The two NPC shows I did was drug tested in some manner (either UA or polygraph) and neither of them had the "natural" tag. They were both big NPC shows filled with guys on gear. There was no absolutely no doubt that they were "open" shows. Like I said, I competed in Muscle Mania and NGA shows as well and they were tagged and treated as natural by most of the competitors. The top two to three guys in each show were using and they openly talked about it in the off-season. The Muscle Mania shows were getting really bad at that time; more and more guys were using. So, again, instead of jumping on that band wagon, I started running gear to compete in the NPC shows.

Dude, I wouldn't even sign up for my alma mater's yearly intramural powerlifting competitions when I started running gear. I'd most certainly never jump into a natural show using.

**hankdiesel** · 03-12-2013, 07:49 PM

Good decision m donnelly. It's nice to play on a level playing field.

**m_donnelly** · 03-12-2013, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Good decision m donnelly. It's nice to play on a level playing field.

I can see how my posts could be confusing and be viewed as contradictory.

Personally, I've never understood the guys that compete in natural powerlifting and bodybuilding on gear. There's obviously an issue with morality but I've also thought it was pretty embarrassing too It's just obvious when they're using in a natural show and they look like idiots.

**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 06:06 AM

Lol this thread is OLD. Im already 8 weeks out on saturday lol

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**m_donnelly** · 03-14-2013, 06:19 AM

Did you decide to run gear? If so, what did you stack?

**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 06:34 AM

12weeks out (loading stage)
900mg Test
800mg Deca
100mg Anadrol ed
2mg cjc-1295dac

10weeks out (shredding stage)
580mg + Test
200mg + Tren
2mg cjc-1295dac
120mcg Clen
50mcg T3

3weeks out (hardening stage)
580mg Test (stop 10days out)
650mg Tren
600mg Stan
100mg Anavar ed
2.5mg Letro ed (start 10days out)

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**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 06:35 AM

Last 3 weeks tren will actualy be 400

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**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 06:35 AM

And i started stage 2 at 9 weeks out

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-14-2013, 12:15 PM

I realized shortly after I replied to your thread that it was a little old. I figured you had already forgot about it lol. Glad to see you got it figured out anyway.

**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-14-2013, 12:16 PM

What class are you competing in? Current stats?

**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 05:18 PM

Starting weight was 90kg and and now im hovering around 88kg tightened up heaps. I did my bf% (9point pinch) at 10weeks out and was 89.9kg at 7.87%. Lost 2kg since then. As for category unsure at this point depends on what i weigh at comp. its a nabba show and im pretty sure they go by weight n height. I think i need to be 81kg to fit in to my height class

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**m_donnelly** · 03-14-2013, 06:41 PM

That's an impressive cycle and has way more thought put into it than anything I ever did. BRAVO!

**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 07:35 PM

Gota put thought into comp prep.

Just did bf. 8weeks out: 87.7kg @ 6.79%
Prob a lil behind but i only been on clen n t3 since tuesday so ill see how im goin in another 2weeks

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-14-2013, 07:56 PM

Awesome man! Keep it up. You should keep it logged on here so we can follow along.

**thephil** · 03-14-2013, 08:53 PM

Ok i will.

Training split is
Sun - rest
Mon- arms, calves
Tue - legs
Wed - back, traps
Thur - chest, calves
Fri - arms or legs or rest ( both areas i need work on) if tired rest
Sat - delts, traps, abs

This morning i have the day off work so i ate went to gym trained hams and ill hit it again later for arms

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-14-2013, 11:38 PM

Awesome. I'm subbed

**thephil** · 03-15-2013, 05:11 AM

Ok so today i got asked to log the rest of my contest prep. How detailed i got and how often i check in is entirely up to yous. I work at a supplement store and have plenty of time at the end of every day to log. So weather u want daily or weekly or every other day is up to use so plz let me know.
Ok so heres today.
8am - 1x humapro, 80mcg clen , 50mcg T3
9am - 35g oats, 1 cup egg whites
10am - i have today off so i decided to ad an am sesh in so i did hams
Workout was
Seated leg curl 4x 12
Stiff leg dead lift 3x 12
Lying leg curl 4x 10
Honestly i was rather tired and im not usto training on low cals so it was slack. But i hate cardio n id rather burn cals with another gym sesh lol.
Intra drink - 1x humapro, 5g beta aniline, 5g l arginine
Post - 2x humapro
12pm - 100g chicken, 100g black rice
3pm - 200g chicken, 250g vegies
6pm (pre workout meal) - 200g kangaroo, 200g sweet potato
30min PrW - 10iu humalog
15min PrW - 1x humapro, 25g glycofuse, 5g beta analine, 5g l argining
Intra - same as above
Arms:
Ezy bar curl 4x 15, 12, 12, 8
Hammer curls 3x 10, 8, 10
Single arm curl 3x 10, 10, 8
Rope ext x 4x 15
Machine dips 4x 10
Close grip bench 3x 12
Over head db ext 4x 15
Cable ext 3x 10
8pm - 2x humapro
8:30 - 200g chicken, 200g sweeg potato
(Was feeling slightly hypo checked levels was 1.7. Had a banana n now back up to normal. First time ever happend)
One more meal at
11pm - 30g casein, 3g fish oil

If this is too much detail plz let me know. First time iv ever done this kinda thing

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-15-2013, 10:09 AM

If your up for it, I wouldn't mind seeing daily or every couple days. Especially when you get closer to the comp.Detail is always a good thing.

**thephil** · 03-15-2013, 06:24 PM

Ok no worries. Getting pretty bad insomnia. Such restless sleep

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-16-2013, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by thephil

Ok no worries. Getting pretty bad insomnia. Such restless sleep

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That sucks man. I hope you find a way to get some rest.

**thephil** · 03-16-2013, 05:08 AM

Day almost over just had second last meal. Chicken n beans. Trained delts n traps got a wicked pump n am still feeling strong in the gym so all still good on lil sleep. I did get some meletonin so ill try that tonight n hope that helps

8weeks today!

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**thephil** · 03-16-2013, 08:39 PM

DIET
- 2x humapro, 120mcg clen , 50mcg T3
(20minCardio)
(9:00) 70g oats, 1cup egg whites
(12:00) 200g chicken, 200g sp
(3:00) 200g chicken, 200g sp
(6:00) 200g chiken, 200g sp
- (30minPRW) 10iu humalog
- (15minPRW) 2x humapro, 25g glycofuse
- (INTRA) 2x humapro, 25g glycofuse
- (PW) 2x humapro
(8:30) 200g chicken, 200g sp
(10:30) 24g casein, 100g cottage cheese, 3g fish oil

Cals - 2,500/ 2,700
Pro - 300g
Car - 160g / 210g
Fat - 3g

TRAINING
Sun- REST DAY!
Mon- Arms, Calves (FST-7)
Tue- Legs (quads first/hams first)
Wed- Back, Abs (thickness/width)
Thu- Chest, Calves (FST-5 incline)
Fri- Arms (heavy)
Sat- Delts, Traps

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**thephil** · 03-16-2013, 08:42 PM

Thats a run down of what my diet n training looks like. Im only using the slin while using clen n t3 to help keep me anabolic . on my off weeks from clen n t3 i will also stop the slin. Thats what the split in cals n carbs is accounting for.

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-16-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by thephil

Thats a run down of what my diet n training looks like. Im only using the slin while using clen n t3 to help keep me anabolic . on my off weeks from clen n t3 i will also stop the slin. Thats what the split in cals n carbs is accounting for.

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Looks pretty solid man. How long have you been using slin? I've never used it but plan on it in the future.

**thephil** · 03-16-2013, 10:03 PM

Since mid last yea. Had great success while bulking. But first time using during a cut so its lost of trial n era. But thats wat its all about.

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-17-2013, 11:18 PM

Cool..I think ill venture into it soon

**thephil** · 03-17-2013, 11:45 PM

Just make sure you do your research. Can be dangerous if not used properly

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-17-2013, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by thephil

Just make sure you do your research. Can be dangerous if not used properly

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That's exactly why I haven't touched it yet. Ill make sure I do plenty of research

**thephil** · 03-18-2013, 12:16 AM

Good.

Had a cheat meal last night... Was amazing! Feeling really full today. Should b an awesome arm sesh

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**thephil** · 03-19-2013, 11:42 PM

A mate of mine who has competed quite a bit more then me has told me that im not consuming enough fat. So i have changed my diet up quite a bit to allow for more fats. Wat do you think of this

1. 70g oats, 1 cup egg whites
2. 100g steak, 30g almonds, veggies
3. 100g chicken, 100g black rice
4. 200g chicken, 200g black rice
(INTRA) 2x humapro
(PWO) 2x humapro
5. 200g chicken, 200g black rice, veggies
6. 130g tuna w olive oil, 3g fish oil, 30g almonds

Would love your opinion as i have never realy utilized many fats. Although i always thought i should. Daily cals are still basically the same and is about wer i want em

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**bigZthedestroyer** · 03-20-2013, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by thephil

A mate of mine who has competed quite a bit more then me has told me that im not consuming enough fat. So i have changed my diet up quite a bit to allow for more fats. Wat do you think of this

1. 70g oats, 1 cup egg whites
2. 100g steak, 30g almonds, veggies
3. 100g chicken, 100g black rice
4. 200g chicken, 200g black rice
(INTRA) 2x humapro
(PWO) 2x humapro
5. 200g chicken, 200g black rice, veggies
6. 130g tuna w olive oil, 3g fish oil, 30g almonds

Would love your opinion as i have never realy utilized many fats. Although i always thought i should. Daily cals are still basically the same and is about wer i want em

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I think that looks good. Try it out and see what happens. Everyone reacts differently. My diet has been a little higher in fat here lately and I haven't seen a negative affect. You should get HP's input on this. I think he is upping his fat intake right now.