Mike xxl eca stack with Yohimbine

[GirlyGymRat]

I am glad its working for you so well...thats awesome...also glad to help out... I generally do not cycle these, just stay on till the target date...so if you have a target weight or date stay on till you get there, if not, then perhaps 4 on, 2 off... At some point the "energizer bunny" feeling wears off as bata receptor responsible for that feeling gets down regulated but the Beta 2 receptor is still active and fat burning is taking effect... So i guess it depends on your goal...

I am down slightly more then 10 lbs in slightly less then a month. I did come off cycle at the same time I started so some is expected. But the last 2 weeks it is all about this stack.

I am on about 4 weeks so I will take a break for 2 and see how that goes.

I am 13 lbs away from being in a place I have wanted to get to for the last 4 years. This is exciting.

[itsmybody]

Over half way there...kicking that goal in the A$$ Sister!

[GirlyGymRat]

Mike/others. Dr says I need to take the body temperature rectally for thyroid. Need a different thermometer.

[MIKE_XXL]

LOL, i am sure you can find someone that will ofer to do it for you...bwhahaha!

I guess i am not checking mine then... :-D

[GirlyGymRat]

LOL, i am sure you can find someone that will ofer to do it for you...bwhahaha! I guess i am not checking mine then... :-D

No shortage there. Lol.

[MIKE_XXL]

97.7 for me, but i added 25mcg of t3 recently to my regiment...thats good considering i am not tring to loose BF, but just stay somewhat lean...

I did it in my mouth thou...accurate or not...LOL...

[uhit]

Been eating at maintenance and dropping weight from using the 'SCY' stack

The results would be amazing if I actually went into a deficit.

[GirlyGymRat]

Been eating at maintenance and dropping weight from using the 'SCY' stack The results would be amazing if I actually went into a deficit.

Nice. So is the "secret weapon" the C or the Y???

[uhit]

Nice. So is the "secret weapon" the C or the Y???

Probably the Y.

The caffeine gives me a nice 'bump' as far as I can tell.

[GirlyGymRat]

Just finished the 4th week. Decided to keep on a few more week and then pause in mid August.

I haven't purchased that other thermometer yet lol

[GirlyGymRat]

Down another 1.5 lbs that I didn't deserve this week!!! I am very pleased with results.

[MIKE_XXL]

Awesome, It shouldnt be called ECY stack but XXLStack...LOL...

[swol_je]

So 3mg of yohimbe HCL works? I have followed Lyle McDonalds protocol for stubborn fat and I believe he recommends 0.2mg/kg of Y. So I take 20mg Y 300 caff before my fasted cardio when in prep. Carbs are obviously delayed till pre-w/o to maximize fat burning. Hell my 125lb wife takes 10mg!
That's all at one dose though.

[GirlyGymRat]

So 3mg of yohimbe HCL works? I have followed Lyle McDonalds protocol for stubborn fat and I believe he recommends 0.2mg/kg of Y. So I take 20mg Y 300 caff before my fasted cardio when in prep. Carbs are obviously delayed till pre-w/o to maximize fat burning. Hell my 125lb wife takes 10mg! That's all at one dose though.

Lyles protocol doesn't include ephedrine or caffeine. Or am I mistaken?

[MIKE_XXL]

If i took 20mg my anxiety would likely kill me even 3mg of HCL is tough to handle in combination with Ephedrine and Caffein...and his method does exclude Ephedrine...

[Hirow]

What is the difference in the Yohimbine HCI and HCL? I looked for the HCL online and was unable to find it, but found the HCI

[MIKE_XXL]

I believe they are both "L" just one capital and one not, the proper chemical name for Hydrochloride is "Cl" - capital C and small cap L...so i think you are good to go...

What is the difference in the Yohimbine HCI and HCL? I looked for the HCL online and was unable to find it, but found the HCI

[Hirow]

Thank you! I plan on starting my first cycle of Anavar in a couple of weeks. I saw this thread and I am thinking of doing the Yohimbine HCL and the Caffine along with it. Will it work the same with just the two stacked? I am not sure that i can tolerate the Ephedra as i took it a long time ago in a diet pill when they still were legal to sell over the counter and it made me feel too weird...lol!

[MIKE_XXL]

It would not work the same without ephedrine, the wired feeling goes away after a while due to down regulation of beta-2 receptor and large part of ephedrines fat burning properties come form beta-3 the jitters go away while fat burning remains...

[MIKE_XXL]

Although someone here mentions a method of not using ephedrine but a much higher dose of Yohimbine...

[GirlyGymRat]

It would not work the same without ephedrine, the wired feeling goes away after a while due to down regulation of beta-2 receptor and large part of ephedrines fat burning properties come form beta-3 the jitters go away while fat burning remains...

Mike. I am not sure if I am tracking with you.

How do I keep the beta 3 fat burning properties high?

Only by coming off for 2 weeks?

I have been on for exactly 6 weeks now. I have hit a plateau and not dropped any weight for about 1.5 weeks now. Although I haven't been as strict with water consumption.

[tarmyg]

MikeXXL, would adding a small amount of Ketotifen fix the down-regulation problem?

[MIKE_XXL]

Beta-3 receptor is responsible for approximately 47% percent of ephedrine's fat burning properties, so even if the jitters go away the fat burning remains but at a lower level, Ketotifen might solve the issue for short period of time and just increase the active time for bate-3 but not forever, i would say a small break would be better to take...

[GirlyGymRat]

After 6 weeks I decided to take a break. Will 2 weeks be enough?

[MIKE_XXL]

Yes should be, take two weeks off and see what happens but it should be good...

[GirlyGymRat]

That 2 weeks was a lifetime. Interested to see what happens with cycle 2

[MIKE_XXL]

LOL, i am interested to see the results as well...as always keep us posted...

[GirlyGymRat]

LOL, i am interested to see the results as well...as always keep us posted...

Excited to report no rebound since dropped a pound in the last 2 weeks. Life is still in the way so not able to workout much at all.

Still haven't bought that other thermometer.....keeps slipping my mind

[MIKE_XXL]

Better slipping your mind then slipping in your ass...LMAO! Good to hear about no rebound...

[GirlyGymRat]

Better slipping your mind then slipping in your ass...LMAO! Good to hear about no rebound...

I found a thermometer. Testing starts tomorrow. If I remember. LoL

[MIKE_XXL]

Would it be fair to say, "lucky thermometer" LMAO!

Enjoy...can you do something for me, can you take your temperature both ways and compare the results...please do not use same thermometer for both applications :-) LOL....

I found a thermometer. Testing starts tomorrow. If I remember. LoL

[GirlyGymRat]

Would it be fair to say, "lucky thermometer" LMAO! Enjoy...can you do something for me, can you take your temperature both ways and compare the results...please do not use same thermometer for both applications :-) LOL....

LoL. I forgot this morning. Sure. Both ways.

My doc said Rectal temp is higher reading then Oral.

[GirlyGymRat]

Upon waking. Oral 95.3 Rectal 96.8

[GirlyGymRat]

Upon waking. Oral 96.3 Rectal 97.3

[MIKE_XXL]

Awesome, you are a true champ taking it, the temperature that is, both way...so roughly 1 to 1.5 degree difference, interesting to know...thank you for the info...

[GirlyGymRat]

Upon waking. Rectal 97.1. Oral 96.4

[GirlyGymRat]

Upon waking. Rectal 97.1. Oral 95.5

[GirlyGymRat]

I forgot this morning. Shucks. LoL.

continue to drop body fat although also at a severe deficit. Between drinking water and this stack I just don't have an appetite.

I am anxious to see doctor and see what he thinks about the temperature readings and whether he will pull a full blood panel. He seems to be a decent doctor for diabetes buy the weight management part is questionable. He treats mostly obese and morbidly obese patients mostly. Diabetes and overweight are a couple in the U.S.

He has mentioned more then once how great I look and his nurses don't even like to give me IM shots (flu) since I am soooo thin. A gf recommended him to me and she and her husband are getting more access to covered prescription meds that I can't touch unless I hold some rocks in my pockets when weighed.

Doc is unaware of this stack for obvious reasons. But I wouldn't mind if he prescribed me a little bit of thyroid meds to jump up metabolism at which time I may consider going off ecy.

Thoughts are appreciated!

[GirlyGymRat]

Upon waking. Rectal 97.3. Oral 96.5

It looks like my basal is lower then normal

Let's see what doc does with this information.

[MIKE_XXL]

I recently introduced my wife, meaning future ex wife as she asked for separation, to 12.5mcg of T3 per day, her morning temperature was low and she was stagnant in weight loss for about 4 weeks even tough she was in theoretical calorie deficit...it instantly resolved her problem, her morning temp jumped by 1 degree and she started loosing BF at a nice rate of 1.5 to 2lbs per week...i am not big fan of messing around with thyroid but in low doses it can do miracles without overly effecting natural axis...