Future national prep cycle

[mrlittleman]

So Its super early I know, Im still running my bulk cycle but I like to know things in advance and have a plan. In my other thread I wrote what I ran for my last show, DIDNT RUN ANY SHORT ESTER! But now I feel like Im at the level where not wanting to pin alot goes out the window. I will have a coach that will help me with this but wont be hiring him for another few months and by then I dont want to be in a crunch for time ordering what i need. So I figured Id keep it as simple as possible and similar to what Ive ran last go around but maybe adjust dose a bit and would like some advise and input with that info I told everyone.

This is what I ran last time. LAST PREP

Test eth at 700mg wk 1- 14wks
Dbol 30mg ed 1-4wk
Eq at 500mgwk 1-8wks
Tren eth at 600mg wk 3-14wks
Mast eth at 600mg wk 4-14wks
Winny 50mg ed for 3 wks and 100mg for 10days

T3 and clen was in the mix along side letro and other antis on hand, also ran ghrp 6 and frag but I`d rather not get into that as much but mainly just GEAR.

I would like to run Tren ace and test pro and mast pro this time or at least the last 6 weeks or so. But also wouldn't that be a good way to start the cycle off so it kicks in faster? Is there a way to set it up that way? Thought Ive read somewhere in a few forums that they'll use the short ester for a few weeks, switch to longer ester then back to short.... I feel that may complicate things a little. I will definitely run a 16 week cycle.
Just a rough thought of what id like to run,

Future prep cycle
updated 2/28/17

ok finally after getting a dam calender and converting 3x pins and 4x pins a week to eod, the MG per week is different and wanted to update.

test eth 750mg 16-5 1cc 3x wk or 1.25cc totaling 937.5mg week....(most ive ran was 750mg, lil more may be good?)
tren eth 450mg 14-7 .75cc 3x wk
tren mix 150mg 14-7 .25cc 3x wk
mast eth 495mg 13-7 .66cc 3x wk
(maybe avavar low dose 50mg ed for first few weeks)???? POINTLES???

test pro 350mg 4-1 1cc eod ------ .5cc ed
tren ace 700mg 6-0 2cc eod ----- 1cc ed
mast eth 700mg 6-0 75cc eod ----.4cc ed

winny 50mg 6-3 last 20 days 100mg ed
halo 25mg last 20 days

what a pain in the ass. lol

Stats
6' current 258lbs at 12%ish??? I think i posted pics already somehwere
done idk, 8 cycles maybe more.
soon to be coach said usually at this level competitors so a 3 month bulk then right to a 3 month cut.... well after im done with my bulk I will come off everything for 8 weeks, well thats why i planned. But now I may keep test at say 375mg a week and do some igf and frag to help keep everything smooth into prep.

[DHew]

I will let some others chime in here, but for starters I would pick an ester and stick with it through the duration of your cycle. I wouldn't go back and fourth. Your phase one Tren dose appears to be off as well, are you getting 250mg per ml test vials and 300mg per ml tren vials?

[mrlittleman]

Reason why Im switching is do to ( less water retention etc) since everyone was in my gym and online was telling me im crazy for doing long ester up till the show. And I def not running prop and ace for a 12-16 week cycle pinning ED lol (80-100 injections )
Start with eth for the first 8-10 weeks then switching to short. NOT going back and forth multiple times. Only switching ONCE, though this was common from my research.
For the phase one is tren eth 200.... so 3 cc a week....and tren ace is 100mg, 1cc ed. As for the phase 1 with test its 250mg eth, 3cc a week. and phase 2 test prop is 100mg. 100mg EOD....

Im confused on what your talking about, these are all normal dose MG per ML....? I think I`m either missing something and not understanding what your saying, or vis versa....

[Livinlean]

Tren ace might be a little high but other than that it looks pretty good. Im assuming you have an AI for your cycle? You mentioned having letro just for the end.

Personally, I wouldn't run the superdrol to start off such a long prep cycle nor would I trust dandelion root for a national show.

But why even bother to set up a cycle... if you're hiring a coach chances are he's going to give you a cycle to follow...

[kelkel]

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Stats
6' current 258lbs at 12%ish??? I think i posted pics already somehwere

Brother those are great stats. Re-post a couple pics if you don't mind!
LL above pretty much echo's what I would have said.

[mrlittleman]

well i have to rewrite what i just wrote so i will try and make it quick, Yes i have everything lol hcg, arimidex, tamox, prami , caber clomid.
Can you explain why you wouldnt start off with superdrol to kickstart. ?
And i have everything besides the main stuff right now, I need to still get the test, tren, mast. But i have everything else. So if he was to change anything it would be easy but he said everything looks pretty good. Showed him my current bulk state and was excited. So well see. I probably will take the diuretic he wants me to but well see.
Also Ill try and put another pic up, thought i did a couple months back but ill try.

[mrlittleman]

yesterday 258lbs


218lbs october

[KINGKONG]

Your a nasty dude mrlittle good luck with the comp..

[mrlittleman]

Brother those are great stats. Re-post a couple pics if you don't mind!
LL above pretty much echo's what I would have said.

I know 700mg a week may seem high but i handled 600-650 pretty easy on tren Eth so i figured I should be fine. I can always back off a little if i hear my body telling me to.

[kelkel]

Pics look great! Nice to see someone with wheels (including calves.)
I'd suggest keeping an eye on your RBC's. Tren's also gonna kill your lipids.
What weight do you hope to compete at normally? 218 like the pic?

[mrlittleman]

The pics dont do my calfs justice either, idk those are bad angles but they seem tiny in the pics compared to in person.
To be honest, i have no idea. I started at 245 with that cut and feel i still had plenty of fat, 5lbs maybe. Im bigger and just as lean or leaner then last time at 245. So I can tell you Im gonna shoot for around 220ish or try and stay under 225 to make heavyweight. But then again, the coach might have some great tricks that he was taught by chris aceto that may pack on more muscle while dieting and be 235 lol.
My main goal for this isnt so much weight for the show, it to come in pro level or at least almost pro level condition. Then with the knowledge of the coach come in hard and full which i wasnt in my last show.


messed up my carbs and water sodium timing.... we live and learn

[kelkel]

Well, you appear to have a great frame for it. Conditioning is what wins shows these days as you know. If you can come in just under 225 with on point conditioning it would be awesome and you'd probably kill it. What show you considering?

I know what you mean about calves. Arguably one of my best parts as well. Way too many guys neglect them....

[mrlittleman]

Thats one thing ive noticed more and more. It doesnt matter if you have a bubble gut, if your lower BF thats gonna give you a edge over someone more balanced but not as in good condition. I only started fasted cardio 4 weeks out from that show too. Thats what I love, learning something each time and improving.

[DHew]

Looking real nice. Your legs are killer.

[mrlittleman]

ok so im a little confused but He knows what hes doing. This is what the coaches outline is for me.

Tren E at 12 weeks 200-300mg per week
Masteron E 14 weeks out 400mg per week all the way through
Test E or Sust 750mg per week until 4 weeks out then switch to test prop but ONLY if painless
at 6 weeks out tren ace starts and tren E drops
Orals start here at 6 weeks out
Clen, t3, and letro are as needed and can start as early as 12 weeks out

Wondering why hes wanting me on such low does.... Maybe hes thinking pharma grade??
Masteron eth all the way up to the show? Cause it doesnt hold water cause its a dht? IDK.
Not wanting to go against his word at all but I think I may up the dose of tren a little.

So in simple terms this is what its looking like now. Updated 1/9/17

test e 750mg 16-5
tren eth 500mg 14-7
mast eth 400mg 14-5 / 600mg 4-1

test prop 400mg 4-1
tren ace 700mg 6-1
winny 50mg 6-3, 100mg 2-0
halo 20mg for last 25 days

Am i an idiot for wanting to run a little higher since Ive ran XXX amount for my last show and know my body? I know alot of people do this as well but still

[DHew]

No one knows your body better than you. If you know what a certain dose will give you as far as results and sides, then go for it. Does he know your cycle history?

[kelkel]

Why not discuss it with him?

[mrlittleman]

The reason why I havent told him cycle history is cause I havent paid him yet. So Im sure he doesnt want to do much real work until then as I understand as Im the same way with my clients. Ive had to many want (free advise) from me saying they are gonna get on a program. But i email him just now what i ran last show.

[mrlittleman]

emailed and went back and forth. Now that he know my history a little, we decided on whats what. Ill post when i have time since now IM doing Eod instead of 3x per week and 4 times per week.

[mrlittleman]

ok finally after getting a dam calender and converting 3x pins and 4x pins a week to eod, the MG per week is different and wanted to update.
Still rather run higher tren eth and mast but he knows his stuff.
Decided no superdrol even though i have it on hand he said thats a bit overload on my liver since im doing winny and halo at the end, although i am going to run NAC and a organ blend sup

test eth 750mg 16-5
tren eth 450mg 14-7
mast eth 400mg 13-7

test pro 350mg 4-1
tren ace 700mg 6-0
mast eth 525mg 6-0
winny 50mg 6-3 100mg 2-0
halo 20mg last 25 days

what a pain in the ass. lol

[kelkel]

what a pain in the ass. lol

Literally.

[mrlittleman]

ha!!

[mrlittleman]

UPDATED WITH PINNING ROUTINE.

test eth 750mg 16-5 ------1cc 3x wk ------ or 1.5cc 2x wk
tren eth 450mg 14-7 -----.75cc 3x wk ------or 1.125cc 2x wk
mast eth 400mg 13-7 -----.66cc 3x wk -----or 1cc 2x wk

test pro 350mg 4-1 ------1cc eod
tren ace 700mg 6-0 ------2cc eod
mast eth 525mg 6-0 -----.75cc eod

winny 50mg 6-3 100mg 2-0
halo 20mg last 25 days

Pinning 3x a week over 2x a week so i can pin less oil, but then im only shooting like 1cc less so maybe Ill do 2x.

[kelkel]

UPDATED WITH PINNING ROUTINE.

test eth 750mg 16-5 ------1cc 3x wk ------ or 1.5cc 2x wk
tren eth 450mg 14-7 -----.75cc 3x wk ------or 1.125cc 2x wk
mast eth 400mg 13-7 -----.66cc 3x wk -----or 1cc 2x wk

test pro 350mg 4-1 ------1cc eod
tren ace 700mg 6-0 ------2cc eod
mast eth 525mg 6-0 -----.75cc eod

winny 50mg 6-3 100mg 2-0
halo 20mg last 25 days

Pinning 3x a week over 2x a week so i can pin less oil, but then im only shooting like 1cc less so maybe Ill do 2x.

I'd probably opt for 2x as well. What are you doing with your AI the last week or two? Any changes?

[mrlittleman]

coach will probably have me crash my estro with letro.

and luckily i have 5cc syringes so 2x a week it will be most likely

[mrlittleman]

Im going to try this little trick i heard from a couple friends where they back load into slin pins and shoot into pretty much any muscle group. Id rather pin ed with those at small dose then 25g 1" eod. So im going to test trial this idea they swear by with my bulk test/npp and see how it goes first. specially since im tired of going, thigh, thigh, glute, glute. Cause my delts ache after i pin them. So the fact if it works well like they say, hello to many more sight injections so scar tissue wont bulk. Chest, arms, delts, lats etc.

[kelkel]

I'd just be careful not to push to much volume in one shot with a slin pin.

[mrlittleman]

I hear ya, I ended up shooting 2 slin pins yesterday, left upper chest and right upper chest. Does take a minute to shoot but so far way better then poking in a 1" 25g in my leg where i have always shot mostly. Plus i only had 5/16 31g pins so it will be easier to shoot with 30g when i get them. Plus I may just buy the 1/2 30g needles so if i need to shoot 1.5cc i can.

[kelkel]

I used to use 25's but switched to 27 x 1/2" for many shots. Really nice.

[600@50]

So im going to test trial this idea they swear by with my bulk test/npp and see how it goes first. specially since im tired of going, thigh, thigh, glute, glute. Cause my delts ache after i pin them. So the fact if it works well like they say, hello to many more sight injections so scar tissue wont bulk. Chest, arms, delts, lats etc.

You should be able to get 3 or 4 spots in the quads and at least 3 areas in the glutes to pin. I only use quads and glutes but can rotate for a few weeks without hitting relatively the same spot. With your quads man it should be easy to rotate pin locations. For scar tissue you can roll on a lacrosse ball and break it up. I had a spot in one glute that squeaked when I pinned from scar tissue. A couple of sessions with the lacrosse ball fixed it.

Awesome job man. Congrats on your progress.

[mrlittleman]

Thanks for all the feed back.

prep is starting to get close. March 11th is 20 weeks out (16wks out prep starts) and ive got everything i need to start. Im not going to come all the way off cycle, although i usually do a hcg/nlova and clomid pct, Im just going to drop to test 250mg a week for the next 5-6 weeks (i just rand hcg last month to get my balls a boost). Only reason Im not coming all the way off and for the first time i might add is cause its for a short time and then prep starts, also the coach said this would be a better option.
Anyways I already picked up an additional few extra test e and tren mix of 50 ace 150 ena , so Im probably going to start that tren mix when I do the tren at 14wks out so I can get it in my system quicker since it have ace. Other besides that I have some anavar now also which is what i think gave me acid reflux but not 100% sure it was that. I was thinking on hitting anavar at a low dose 50mg a day for a few weeks when i start my prep cycle at 16 weeks out.
Cheers

[DHew]

You mean May 11th right?

[mrlittleman]

Updated OP with new updated cycle.

And DHew no, March 11th. You may be thinking of a different national show.

[mrlittleman]

So update, started monday this week with the coach. 258.8 pounds. Starting with Approx 4000 cals. 90 fat, 450 carbs and 350 protein. First check in was today. weight was 255.6 and i feel great. Eating a ton and doing zero cardio right now (18.5 weeks out) lowest weigh in was 253.4. Im eating 5 whole meals, with a shake as a meal with oats and pb in it, with a shake on training days with 70 fat acting carbs.

[kelkel]

Eating a ton and doing zero cardio right now

Living the dream right there!

[MuscleScience]

Living the dream right there!

Fucking A right!

Following along, GL!

[mrlittleman]

Quick update, check ins were yesterday and he decided since I lost another pound in a week on zero cardio still and training 5x a week. We bumping the carbs up approx another 100 a day. So about 550 a day now. Next check ins are Thursday. Cheers. I'll try and post pics when I can, using my cellphone at the moment since I don't have a computer eat work anymore

[BG]

ok so im a little confused but He knows what hes doing. This is what the coaches outline is for me.

Am i an idiot for wanting to run a little higher since Ive ran XXX amount for my last show and know my body? I know alot of people do this as well but still

Does he know what your running now? You never really want to lower what your running, you lose your anabolic peak. You dont need to have to have high dosages for prep, they are just helping you keep your muscle while dieting so hard. I messed up last time and ran too much before my prep. I peaked at about 7-8 weeks out then switched to short esters and things just werent the same.

[mrlittleman]

Quick update. Since we've upped the carbs. I gained about a pound. Went to 255 but after about 5 days I slowly went down to 253-254 again. Then I got a slight stomach flu for 2 days. Wasn't able to eat really, maybe 25-50% of what I should've. Went down to 252 only surprisely, then yesterday was back to a full day of normal eating and gym. This happened Tuesday and Wednesday so I weight this morning after a full day of eating and was still 252. So tomorrow is check ins ( coach knows everything) weigh ins and pics. Says this Saturday I better be ready for some change ( as in things are gonna start really getting into prep mode) since I'm 16 weeks out Saturday

[mrlittleman]

This was way before I even paid him to be my coach so he was probably given me the run around. I told him what I had and wanted to run. And he said looks really good, besides he has me running deca before I start my tren. This guys is a ifbb pro and his coach is Chris aceteo.... so I have full faith in this guy