starting bodybuilding

**ADAWG** · 01-24-2004, 10:37 AM

well rk, from the researrch that I have done sust isnt the way to go for a beginner. Probably the best route that I have found would be taking:

Weeks 1-11 test enanthate 400mg e/w
Weeks 1-10 Eq 300mg e/w
nolva on hand or ran concurantly
clomid for your pct

There are alot of things that you can stack on that but that I think is the basis. I for one am a little more excited about hgh than any thing. If you havent taken the time to do a search on this product please do an I think that it will peak your intrest as an alternative to AS. If I remember correctly youve been training for 8 months and if thats the case, especially at our age, we've got a long way to go. I would wait it out and see what you can to do with your diet and training. Just take plenty of time to read all of the post in the diet and workout section because there are alot of guys in here who can help you. RK it is always good to hear from you so give me a holla.

**saboudian** · 01-24-2004, 12:17 PM

Well if you're looking to bulk up. This is what you do. Shoot for 500g protein/day. Never stuff yourself, eat until you're full and stop.

Read this entire thread at least 3 times:

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...ht=stir+things

**rk713** · 01-24-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by saboudian

Well if you're looking to bulk up. This is what you do. Shoot for 500g protein/day. Never stuff yourself, eat until you're full and stop.

Read this entire thread at least 3 times:

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...ht=stir+things

ive read this before and it does make sense. could u help set me up a workout using dCs style. most of the time i work out solo so i usually donmt have a spotter. its seems like u understand his training methods very well and have alot of experience thats why im asking for your help.thanks saboudian.

**rk713** · 01-26-2004, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

well rk, from the researrch that I have done sust isnt the way to go for a beginner. Probably the best route that I have found would be taking:

Weeks 1-11 test enanthate 400mg e/w
Weeks 1-10 Eq 300mg e/w
nolva on hand or ran concurantly
clomid for your pct

There are alot of things that you can stack on that but that I think is the basis. I for one am a little more excited about hgh than any thing. If you havent taken the time to do a search on this product please do an I think that it will peak your intrest as an alternative to AS. If I remember correctly youve been training for 8 months and if thats the case, especially at our age, we've got a long way to go. I would wait it out and see what you can to do with your diet and training. Just take plenty of time to read all of the post in the diet and workout section because there are alot of guys in here who can help you. RK it is always good to hear from you so give me a holla.

i was thinking at first to run test enanthate and deca and dbol but ive heard god things about sust to. enanthate, deca and dbol might work better thanks

**ADAWG** · 01-26-2004, 04:27 PM

yeah ive heard bad things about sustanon and definitly heard that its better for a beginner to run eq over deca . Do a search on this in the steroid forum and I think that you will find that the benefits are difinitly with the equipose. D-bol kinda scares me for a beginner because it will shut down your natural test production so hard. As long as you take the proper pre-cautions and use your pct correctly you should bounce back. Did you do any research on HGH? Im curious to see what your reaction is to this supp. cause it seems so awsome. Let me know something big dawg and maybe we will get to talk soon. P.S. it seems as though we may have miss used you thread or maybe we didnt.

**saboudian** · 01-26-2004, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by rk713

ive read this before and it does make sense. could u help set me up a workout using dCs style. most of the time i work out solo so i usually donmt have a spotter. its seems like u understand his training methods very well and have alot of experience thats why im asking for your help.thanks saboudian.

Honestly, I would read it over at least 2 more times, I myself have read it 5-6 times. Its very important to have a complete understanding of all the concepts so you have everything covered before you start.

I too also work out solo, but thats really not a problem because in this type of workout its usually better to use machines then free weights, and if there is an exercise you have to use free weights with, then go ahead and use a power rack. If you're not sure what exercises to pick, go ahead and start a new thread in the workout questions forums with the exercises you wanna use. There's a few guys who have been using this split and can tell you what exercises are gonna work.

Guys, I cannot stress this enough, lemme tell you a story, actually a story from Dave Tate in a recent article.

Dave tries to teach his new born baby trigonometry and shakespeare, and he tries really hard and reads hims shakespeare and tries to get the baby to solve eqns. Everyone laughs at him, they say " Hey dave, why don't you teach your kid the ABC's and how to count first?"

You guys are talking about cycles and even HGH, when you don't still don't know what you're doing or even how you would react to solid diet and training. If you're just shootin the ****, thats cool, I talk around with guys about it too. But you guys seriously don't need juice for a few years, you still have to figure out the ABC's.

**ADAWG** · 01-26-2004, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by saboudian

Honestly, I would read it over at least 2 more times, I myself have read it 5-6 times. Its very important to have a complete understanding of all the concepts so you have everything covered before you start.

I too also work out solo, but thats really not a problem because in this type of workout its usually better to use machines then free weights, and if there is an exercise you have to use free weights with, then go ahead and use a power rack. If you're not sure what exercises to pick, go ahead and start a new thread in the workout questions forums with the exercises you wanna use. There's a few guys who have been using this split and can tell you what exercises are gonna work.

Guys, I cannot stress this enough, lemme tell you a story, actually a story from Dave Tate in a recent article.

Dave tries to teach his new born baby trigonometry and shakespeare, and he tries really hard and reads hims shakespeare and tries to get the baby to solve eqns. Everyone laughs at him, they say " Hey dave, why don't you teach your kid the ABC's and how to count first?"

You guys are talking about cycles and even HGH, when you don't still don't know what you're doing or even how you would react to solid diet and training. If you're just shootin the ****, thats cool, I talk around with guys about it too. But you guys seriously don't need juice for a few years, you still have to figure out the ABC's.

hey sabo,
you make very solid points and your absolutly right about me imparticular that i do need to learn the "ABC's" first. I personally dont intend on doing any of this type of supplementing until I am fully confident that I have used up all of my options which as I am sure you will agree could take quite some time. As far as my suggestions to rk I think he knows that we are both pretty much in the same boat and any suggestions i make are just that "shooting the ****". Newbies like me and rk are here to resarch so that in the future we can make educated decisions and with the help of people like your self i am sure that we will make the right one. Thanks for all of your input and the time that you spend over here with me and rk as well as every one else. Betweeen me and you though you have to admit that HGH and its benefits are very appealing to like minded individuals like ourselves. Stay with us sabo because guys like me and rk can definitly use your help as we are both determined and willing to listen and learn. KEEP IT UP BIG DAWG!!!

**rk713** · 01-28-2004, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

hey sabo,
you make very solid points and your absolutly right about me imparticular that i do need to learn the "ABC's" first. I personally dont intend on doing any of this type of supplementing until I am fully confident that I have used up all of my options which as I am sure you will agree could take quite some time. As far as my suggestions to rk I think he knows that we are both pretty much in the same boat and any suggestions i make are just that "shooting the ****". Newbies like me and rk are here to resarch so that in the future we can make educated decisions and with the help of people like your self i am sure that we will make the right one. Thanks for all of your input and the time that you spend over here with me and rk as well as every one else. Betweeen me and you though you have to admit that HGH and its benefits are very appealing to like minded individuals like ourselves. Stay with us sabo because guys like me and rk can definitly use your help as we are both determined and willing to listen and learn. KEEP IT UP BIG DAWG!!!

thanks saboudian i have read that alot of people on here love dogcraps routine and are seeing good results ill work on a routine and post it in the workout forum.adawg ive looked into hgh everywere ive read u need to be 30 or so im to young still. a friend of mine has a buddy that used to compete in npc he said the cycle i was thinking about was a waste he is gonna tell me a better plan maybe help with my workout. ill post it first to get opinions im excited about starting dogcraps routine. ill keep u guys informed.

**rk713** · 02-01-2004, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by rk713

thanks saboudian i have read that alot of people on here love dogcraps routine and are seeing good results ill work on a routine and post it in the workout forum.adawg ive looked into hgh everywere ive read u need to be 30 or so im to young still. a friend of mine has a buddy that used to compete in npc he said the cycle i was thinking about was a waste he is gonna tell me a better plan maybe help with my workout. ill post it first to get opinions im excited about starting dogcraps routine. ill keep u guys informed.

hey adawg u think u are gonna do the comp in may.

**ADAWG** · 02-02-2004, 09:59 PM

I really dont know but I would say that I probably wont enter. If any thing I am going to attend the show and any other show that is coming up starting in the spring. I think I should at least do that so I can get an idea of what will be expected of me. How about you RK? Do you think that you will be ready in time? Why dont you give me a pm to let me know what when and where. Let me know something killa

**rk713** · 02-03-2004, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

I really dont know but I would say that I probably wont enter. If any thing I am going to attend the show and any other show that is coming up starting in the spring. I think I should at least do that so I can get an idea of what will be expected of me. How about you RK? Do you think that you will be ready in time? Why dont you give me a pm to let me know what when and where. Let me know something killa

i wont be ready in time i think. i am going to watch it for sure thought its in galveston im may.we can cruise up there together and waTCH IT. TALK TO U LATER

**ADAWG** · 02-03-2004, 05:12 AM

sounds good RK and I am definitly looking forward to it. I really think that it is going to be one of the best years of my life for a lot of reasons. Alll I have to do is get my **** together and stay focused. My new years resolution was as follows: "HUSTLE,HUSTLE,HUSTLE!!!" Hit me back RK!

**ADAWG** · 02-06-2004, 07:53 PM

ive got alot of people getting more and more interested in the life. I got the ronnie coleman unbelievable video and i have been letting all of the guys I work out with borrow it. they are definitly getting pumped and you can see it in their work outs. not only are they getting more organized with their routines but they are making alot of noise ( "light weight!!!"). Its very exciting to see people get motivated and they even want to start making trips to upcoming competitions. Just a little bump!

**rk713** · 02-06-2004, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

ive got alot of people getting more and more interested in the life. I got the ronnie coleman unbelievable video and i have been letting all of the guys I work out with borrow it. they are definitly getting pumped and you can see it in their work outs. not only are they getting more organized with their routines but they are making alot of noise ( "light weight!!!"). Its very exciting to see people get motivated and they even want to start making trips to upcoming competitions. Just a little bump!

were did u get the video at it sounds pretty interesting

**ADAWG** · 02-07-2004, 09:18 AM

I did a search on " Ronnie coleman the unbelievable" and found it for like 29.99 on a body building web site. I think the next one im going to get is the lee preist video. They are very motivating because you get to see someone training at all out intensity and also the way they live. I cant wait for comps to start up this spring because I think im going to learn alot. Hey rk, where have you been man? tell me how your training has been going, did you start doggcraps routine? did you get out for the super bowl? Hit me back big DAWG!!!

**rk713** · 02-07-2004, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

I did a search on " Ronnie coleman the unbelievable" and found it for like 29.99 on a body building web site. I think the next one im going to get is the lee preist video. They are very motivating because you get to see someone training at all out intensity and also the way they live. I cant wait for comps to start up this spring because I think im going to learn alot. Hey rk, where have you been man? tell me how your training has been going, did you start doggcraps routine? did you get out for the super bowl? Hit me back big DAWG!!!

i started something similiar to dogcraps routine. so far so good.i had to work for the superbowl. ive just been working and training.what about u.

**ADAWG** · 02-07-2004, 03:01 PM

I have definitly been a man about town herre recently. Me and my girlfriend are not together now as of last week end. Regardless i am feeling really good and im very excited about this summer. It is definitly going to be one to remember and I plan on making the most of it. Hey, while ive got your attention, there is a comp coming up on march 13 in conroe that me and probably some buddies from the gym are going to go check out. You should attend to get a feel for these natural comps and maybe meet some of the people involved who can help you reach your goals. My training has been getting pretty bad ass as more and more people get excited with me. We get kick in the doors every morning, throw out the little weights, throw out the little guys, and ugly girls and take care of business. Hit me up again soon so I know what your up to rk. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT BIG DAWGS LEAD AND LITTLE PUNKS FOLLOW!!!

**rk713** · 02-07-2004, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

I have definitly been a man about town herre recently. Me and my girlfriend are not together now as of last week end. Regardless i am feeling really good and im very excited about this summer. It is definitly going to be one to remember and I plan on making the most of it. Hey, while ive got your attention, there is a comp coming up on march 13 in conroe that me and probably some buddies from the gym are going to go check out. You should attend to get a feel for these natural comps and maybe meet some of the people involved who can help you reach your goals. My training has been getting pretty bad ass as more and more people get excited with me. We get kick in the doors every morning, throw out the little weights, throw out the little guys, and ugly girls and take care of business. Hit me up again soon so I know what your up to rk. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT BIG DAWGS LEAD AND LITTLE PUNKS FOLLOW!!!

are u gonna enter the comp or watch it?id like to go check it out.then i can see what there like.one of my buddies at the gym says after u do your first comp u cant wait till the next one.hit me back maybe we can cruise down there.

**ADAWG** · 02-08-2004, 03:59 PM

I wont be entering the comp I will just be attending. That way i can get a feel for what will be expected of me and what the competitors look like. I was hoping on competing in july but now I think it may be a little longer. It all depends on what I see at these comps and what I decide from there. What are your plans or expectations for competing? Your probably like me and need to see one first and then youll have a better idea. Just let me know and you can meet up with me and my buddies to check it out. Like I said the first one I will be going to is march 13 at the montgomery community college in the woodlands. You can find all the comps in the area on www.npctexas.org or www.ocbbodybuilding.com. By the way, if you go to the ar lounge there is a thread posted where a bunch of the members from houston are talking about meeting up for dinner on some weekend. Hit me back rk and keep me informed.

**rk713** · 02-09-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

I have definitly been a man about town herre recently. Me and my girlfriend are not together now as of last week end. Regardless i am feeling really good and im very excited about this summer. It is definitly going to be one to remember and I plan on making the most of it. Hey, while ive got your attention, there is a comp coming up on march 13 in conroe that me and probably some buddies from the gym are going to go check out. You should attend to get a feel for these natural comps and maybe meet some of the people involved who can help you reach your goals. My training has been getting pretty bad ass as more and more people get excited with me. We get kick in the doors every morning, throw out the little weights, throw out the little guys, and ugly girls and take care of business. Hit me up again soon so I know what your up to rk. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT BIG DAWGS LEAD AND LITTLE PUNKS FOLLOW!!!

HEY ADAWG I LIKE TO GO WATCH THE COMP NEXT MONTH. I ALSO DONE FOR GOING OUT TO EAT WITH EVERYONE TO HIT ME BACK.

**ADAWG** · 02-10-2004, 05:10 AM

sounds like a plan to me so ill get the details and pm you. It doesnt sound like it is going to be a big competition but hey when I enter my first comp it wont be a big one. Try to keep in touch with those guys and find out when they are going to set a date so you can keep me informed. Have you seen some of those video clips that are in the ar lounge? they are freakin hilarious!!! Hit me up and tell me what ur up to. BIG DAWGS DONT STAY ON THE PORCH

**rk713** · 02-11-2004, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

sounds like a plan to me so ill get the details and pm you. It doesnt sound like it is going to be a big competition but hey when I enter my first comp it wont be a big one. Try to keep in touch with those guys and find out when they are going to set a date so you can keep me informed. Have you seen some of those video clips that are in the ar lounge? they are freakin hilarious!!! Hit me up and tell me what ur up to. BIG DAWGS DONT STAY ON THE PORCH

im waiting to see when everyones meeting up. is there going to be alot of people going to the comp with u?

**ADAWG** · 02-11-2004, 01:36 PM

not really just a few probably. By the time it comes around I will be lucky if I can get one of them to go. Thats the way it usually works, everyone will be real excited at first when you talk about it but then when it comes down to actually going every one is to busy or doesnt feel like it. It really kinda gets under my skin that most people arent that dedicated and they always have a freakin excuse for it when so many people out there are proving them wrong every day. Sorry, I could go on for days on this subject so i will stop. Have you lowered your body fat from your original 19%? Just curious.

**rk713** · 02-11-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

not really just a few probably. By the time it comes around I will be lucky if I can get one of them to go. Thats the way it usually works, everyone will be real excited at first when you talk about it but then when it comes down to actually going every one is to busy or doesnt feel like it. It really kinda gets under my skin that most people arent that dedicated and they always have a freakin excuse for it when so many people out there are proving them wrong every day. Sorry, I could go on for days on this subject so i will stop. Have you lowered your body fat from your original 19%? Just curious.

im about 16 or 17%now at 205. i need to cut alittle. what are u at now?im debating on if i wanna start a cycle of test and deca . id be doing pretty good after i got finished with it.hit me back.

**ADAWG** · 02-11-2004, 03:38 PM

well I am not completly sure but when I use the calculators on these web sites they say 8% body fat while I am 5'11" at 180 pounds. Im almost up to 16 inches on my arms which I know isnt that great but im on my way up. Im sure you would get great results from test and deca and im sure I dont have to give you any warnings because you know the risks involved. I am a little jealous though because I know that if I could fund it I would do the same thing. Right now I am trying to figure out how to put up my own avatar and im getting pretty close but I need one that is the right size or change the size of the one that picked out. Any way, drop me a line and tell me whats up! What clubs do you go to in houston?

**rk713** · 02-11-2004, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

well I am not completly sure but when I use the calculators on these web sites they say 8% body fat while I am 5'11" at 180 pounds. Im almost up to 16 inches on my arms which I know isnt that great but im on my way up. Im sure you would get great results from test and deca and im sure I dont have to give you any warnings because you know the risks involved. I am a little jealous though because I know that if I could fund it I would do the same thing. Right now I am trying to figure out how to put up my own avatar and im getting pretty close but I need one that is the right size or change the size of the one that picked out. Any way, drop me a line and tell me whats up! What clubs do you go to in houston?

i ve been working so much lately i havent had time to go out. i have just enough time to eat , sleep , train and work i am going to start taking 1 day a week off now though were do u go most in houston.

**ADAWG** · 02-12-2004, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by rk713

i ve been working so much lately i havent had time to go out. i have just enough time to eat , sleep , train and work i am going to start taking 1 day a week off now though were do u go most in houston.

I go a number of places, like the hurricane hut, jillians, sherlocks pub, fox and hound and places like that. As long as there are beautiful women around then I am down. We went to the red star on saturday night that was alright. What part of town do you live in? Ill be in santa fe this saturday for a wedding and I will most likely be hitting mardi gra in galveston at some point. What got you in to bb? You said that you have only been at it for about 8 months and I was just curious what inspired you.

**ADAWG** · 02-15-2004, 09:20 PM

Where is every body it doesnt seem like any body has anything to say anymore

**rk713** · 02-17-2004, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

Where is every body it doesnt seem like any body has anything to say anymore

whats up bro.i went to the doc today and found out i have a sist at the bottom of my spine. its been hard to walkk and sit for the last week.i have to go for surgery in couple weeks to get it removed.i also found out i cant train for at least a month.that sucks.every time i start to get ahead something throws me back.hit me back.

**ADAWG** · 02-18-2004, 06:16 PM

that is to bad man but i know exactly how you feel. Every time I start to make some kind of progress in life something will come along to mess it all up. I think its the will to get back up after being knocked down that defines a man. WOW, I got pretty deep there and all over a cyst. If me and the boys still go to the contest next month you are more than welcome to join us. throw some more bull$hit my way cause nobody has been around lately!!!

**rk713** · 02-18-2004, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

that is to bad man but i know exactly how you feel. Every time I start to make some kind of progress in life something will come along to mess it all up. I think its the will to get back up after being knocked down that defines a man. WOW, I got pretty deep there and all over a cyst. If me and the boys still go to the contest next month you are more than welcome to join us. throw some more bull$hit my way cause nobody has been around lately!!!

i wanna go out there still. it sucks having a cyste on the end of your spine hurts to walk sit lay anything. hopefully i can get rid of it soon it sucks not being able to do anything.hit me back

**ADAWG** · 02-19-2004, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by rk713

i wanna go out there still. it sucks having a cyste on the end of your spine hurts to walk sit lay anything. hopefully i can get rid of it soon it sucks not being able to do anything.hit me back

Heard that my nizzel! I am about to walk out the door right now to go work out and my schedule is so messed up right now that I cant even remember what i am working today. I met this guy last weekend that was pretty cool and he was pretty experienced with AS. He is involved on some type of fighting orginazation similar to the ufc and he has a fight on the FEB 28. Might be going to that to. What kind of work do you do RK? Just curious.

**rk713** · 02-19-2004, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

Heard that my nizzel! I am about to walk out the door right now to go work out and my schedule is so messed up right now that I cant even remember what i am working today. I met this guy last weekend that was pretty cool and he was pretty experienced with AS. He is involved on some type of fighting orginazation similar to the ufc and he has a fight on the FEB 28. Might be going to that to. What kind of work do you do RK? Just curious.

i work at 24 hour fitness. been there for 3 months.it already feels like i lost alot since i havent worked out in 2 weeeks. this sucks now i am going to do i cycle after i heal from surgery. maybe just test dbol .i need to get back to a good size again .it seems like my bf has gone up from not working out or eating.im not eating enough to maintain.catch ya later.

**ADAWG** · 02-19-2004, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by rk713

i work at 24 hour fitness. been there for 3 months.it already feels like i lost alot since i havent worked out in 2 weeeks. this sucks now i am going to do i cycle after i heal from surgery. maybe just test dbol.i need to get back to a good size again .it seems like my bf has gone up from not working out or eating.im not eating enough to maintain.catch ya later.

I wish that I could do a cycle I just dont have the funds or the balls at this point. I want to do test enanthate , equpoise, winnie, with nolva and clomid but right now I need to concentrate on getting ahead of all my bills. This spring and summer all I want to do is workout, work my regular job, and make sideline money. Once I get ahead its on so I am going to be busting my butt here until hopefully august. I looked into 24 hour at one point because I was thinking about becoming a personal trainer through certification but it never happened. You never told me where you go out when you do go out.

**rk713** · 02-20-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by ADAWG

I wish that I could do a cycle I just dont have the funds or the balls at this point. I want to do test enanthate, equpoise, winnie, with nolva and clomid but right now I need to concentrate on getting ahead of all my bills. This spring and summer all I want to do is workout, work my regular job, and make sideline money. Once I get ahead its on so I am going to be busting my butt here until hopefully august. I looked into 24 hour at one point because I was thinking about becoming a personal trainer through certification but it never happened. You never told me where you go out when you do go out.

i havent been able to go out alot but sometimes sams boat. places like that.were in houston did u live.