Powerade vs dext vs oats?

**Flex2winny** · 08-11-2005, 05:26 AM

I got a trainer in my gym that uses powerade instead of str8 dex in his pw shake. 1st ingredient is high fructose syrup. Junk IMO, would it be inferior to dext?

I've been using low GI carbs, as I feel the body never needs that much sugar at once, no matter what state its in. What's your opinion? Read all the stickies and really have reseached this. Just want your opinion.

**Rock88** · 08-11-2005, 06:44 AM

Well your wrong buddy. After workout your body's glycogen levels have been depleted and you need glucose fast.The reason people use high GI carbs is to replace glycogen levels as fast as possible to start the recovery process.You can use low GI carbs but expect a slower recovery.

**Flex2winny** · 08-11-2005, 06:59 AM

Wrong buddy, or just not you way of thinking? I'm sitting around 8% bf and want to bulk up lean and clean.......I train late and can barely get in another meal before bed. THus my reasoning. If you were me, what would you do? I'm finished training at 630 and bed by 1000. 3 meal suggestion?

**Squatman51** · 08-11-2005, 07:38 AM

i would eat something like cottage cheese or casein before bed and also a low GI carb

***Giantz11*** · 08-11-2005, 07:40 AM

Well your wrong buddy. After workout your body's glycogen levels have been depleted and you need glucose fast.The reason people use high GI carbs is to replace glycogen levels as fast as possible to start the recovery process.You can use low GI carbs but expect a slower recovery.

First of all to be glycogen depleted it takes about 3 days with very little carbs, getting into ketosis would be an example. And whats wrong with a slower recovery if you are not doing a further activity??? If you are going to bed, what's the problem??

**rssumme** · 08-11-2005, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

First of all to be glycogen depleted it takes about 3 days with very little carbs, getting into ketosis would be an example. And whats wrong with a slower recovery if you are not doing a further activity??? If you are going to bed, what's the problem??

No one ever answers this question. I just want to hear the pro High GI side of the arguement but it never happens. There has to be a reason they prefer this way. Why the secret?

**Veretta21** · 08-11-2005, 09:33 AM

the reason I always heard was what rock88 said and that there is a "window of about an hour" that you need the high GI's--I ain't listening anymore going to use oats/honey/banana for my pw shakes for now on---always for the last couple years have been wondering if dumping massive amounts of sugar into my body will hurt it---and I don't want to find out either anymore

**SwoleCat** · 08-11-2005, 09:46 AM

After exercise your muscle cells are primed/stimulated for INCREASED uptake of nutrients, hence the reason people use high gi products like dextrose and whey isolate for easily assimilated amino acids. Insulin is very anabolic , and when you have increased uptake, combining the two is good idea in this time-frame to begin the recovery process and make use of more nutrients than is the norm at any other time.

~SC~

**Veretta21** · 08-11-2005, 09:49 AM

SC--you ever try using low GI's for PW or has it always been high GI's?

**SwoleCat** · 08-11-2005, 09:50 AM

I always use dextrose and isolate myself and I love the results. If it ain't broke, ........

~SC~

**Dally** · 08-11-2005, 10:03 AM

what can we take from a statement like this....

after working out with weights. If I have a dextrose/protein isolate shake I DO NOT feel sore the next day. If I DONT have a dextrose/protein isolate shake and just eat something normal or just protein fat then I am SORE the next day.

I edited this as it was phrased incorrectly.

**Veretta21** · 08-11-2005, 10:12 AM

Personally I would rather not be sore, it would make me think the exact opposite for what you said---I would think that it shuttled all the nutrients into my muscles and it would help them to be primed for another workout---however being sore does not mean a muscle is not ready to be worked again

**Dally** · 08-11-2005, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Veretta21

Personally I would rather not be sore, it would make me think the exact opposite for what you said---I would think that it shuttled all the nutrients into my muscles and it would help them to be primed for another workout---however being sore does not mean a muscle is not ready to be worked again

HOLY SHIT!!

completely wrong the way I phrased it...

if she is sore, its from NOT have a dex/pro shake

she is NOT sore or as sore when she has one.

sorry for the mixup.

***Giantz11*** · 08-11-2005, 10:21 AM

DOMS and hypertrophy don't correlate

**Dally** · 08-11-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

DOMS and hypertrophy don't correlate

muscle soreness is directly related to a stress is it not? and equally thereafter hypertrophy/recovery.....

what do you mean exactly they donk't correalate?

thanks bud.

***Giantz11*** · 08-11-2005, 10:33 AM

What I mean is soreness doesn't tell you whether or not you are recovering. You're telling me you've never had a hard leg day and been sore for 2 days afterwards, even with a Dex/Pro shake??? It depends on the severirty of the micro tears one endures during training.

**MaidenOnslaught** · 08-11-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I always use dextrose and isolate myself and I love the results. If it ain't broke, ........

~SC~

Hi SC, what would be a good alternative (non powder but real foods) to dextrose? I’m sure I’ll forget to order dextrose when I run out

**SwoleCat** · 08-11-2005, 06:09 PM

Sweet tarts!

~SC~

**bor** · 08-12-2005, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

DOMS and hypertrophy don't correlate

I alwas found DOMS to be a great indicator of the fact that a certain bodypart hasn't fully recovered yet...

**IBdmfkr** · 08-12-2005, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

Sweet tarts!

~SC~

honey is good.

**drinu** · 08-12-2005, 06:47 AM

isnt honey a mix of glucose and fructose ?

and if sugar is bad for the body should it be it all the time ??

i always go with oats ,whey and sometimes add a banano to my post workout shake

***Giantz11*** · 08-12-2005, 07:48 AM

I alwas found DOMS to be a great indicator of the fact that a certain bodypart hasn't fully recovered yet...

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