is PPWO essential for cutting?

**Spoon** · 10-27-2005, 10:35 PM

ive tried all methods of cutting but i am contemplating scrapping my ppwo meal. i end my workout at 10 and have my ppwo at this time. can i just scrap the ppwo and go straight to lunch at 1pm? im also taking ephedra so no appetite.

**jdh** · 10-27-2005, 11:03 PM

well for almost everybody there ppwo is a solid food source. so go ahead and go straight to lunch, eat lean protein and carbs. keep the fat minimal.

**chest6** · 10-28-2005, 12:41 AM

my PPWO falls pretty late..midnight usually..a lil later at times. On nonworkout days..i nix it..and my only pro/carb meal is after cardio. I am still hesitant to have the PPWO pro/carb since it falls so late at night. Im wondering if it is still essential even though I would be going to sleep 2 hours later.

**collar** · 10-28-2005, 05:23 AM

if it fits in your calorie intake for the day
i dont really see the big deal is in having the ppwo
and it dont matter when if its a ppwo its a ppwo

**xtinaunasty** · 10-28-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by chest6

my PPWO falls pretty late..midnight usually..a lil later at times. On nonworkout days..i nix it..and my only pro/carb meal is after cardio. I am still hesitant to have the PPWO pro/carb since it falls so late at night. Im wondering if it is still essential even though I would be going to sleep 2 hours later.

on your non workout or cardio only days you should just replace your second meal with another pro/carb. that way you have the day to burn it off...but i think you need more carbs than just one meal no matter what you're doing. the body and brain need 50g carbs just to run itself...so i would make that your absolute minimum if you must.

**xtinaunasty** · 10-28-2005, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Spoon

ive tried all methods of cutting but i am contemplating scrapping my ppwo meal. i end my workout at 10 and have my ppwo at this time. can i just scrap the ppwo and go straight to lunch at 1pm? im also taking ephedra so no appetite.

is your pwo a shake? if it is a shake i would at least try and eat whole foods at 12pm. you could try having whey/oats for your pwo...then you could wait a little longer for your next meal

**IronFreakX** · 10-28-2005, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by chest6

my PPWO falls pretty late..midnight usually..a lil later at times. On nonworkout days..i nix it..and my only pro/carb meal is after cardio. I am still hesitant to have the PPWO pro/carb since it falls so late at night. Im wondering if it is still essential even though I would be going to sleep 2 hours later.

you dont need a pwo or ppwo on a non workout day , since ur not working out...

Carbs are not the enemy, they are ur friends...but high fat is

and yes it is essential wether ur workout is 1am or 5 pm...and no it wont be stored as fat

**jdh** · 10-28-2005, 09:44 AM

hey chest. this past year i dropped about 10% bf while retaining most of my muscle. i worked out late at night and still did my two pwos the second being 2 hrs. before bed. dont be worried about gaining excess fat, your body will suck those carbs right up after intense workout. on non workout days i get in all my carbs before 7pm

**chest6** · 10-28-2005, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by jdh

hey chest. this past year i dropped about 10% bf while retaining most of my muscle. i worked out late at night and still did my two pwos the second being 2 hrs. before bed. dont be worried about gaining excess fat, your body will suck those carbs right up after intense workout. on non workout days i get in all my carbs before 7pm

thanks man..ill keep it in there no matter what time I workout

Originally Posted by IronFreakX

you dont need a pwo or ppwo on a non workout day , since ur not working out...

Carbs are not the enemy, they are ur friends...but high fat is

and yes it is essential wether ur workout is 1am or 5 pm...and no it wont be stored as fat

high fat is? I gotta start watchin my fat intake...I had sum sausage last night as my pro/fat meal

Not sure how bad that was. I replaced my PPWO with sausage

***Giantz11*** · 10-28-2005, 02:10 PM

The only way I find that PPWO is not need is if you have a pre-worjout meal that contains carbs.

**chest6** · 10-28-2005, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

The only way I find that PPWO is not need is if you have a pre-worjout meal that contains carbs.

So you suggest one or the other eh..you told me to do preworkout pro/carb so ive been doin that lately so i guess i dont need it

***Giantz11*** · 10-28-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

So you suggest one or the other eh..you told me to do preworkout pro/carb so ive been doin that lately so i guess i dont need it

Thats how I do, but remember I also don't use dex post workout. I use a Whole grain bagel both times.

**SwoleCat** · 10-28-2005, 06:29 PM

The bigger you are, the more pwo food you'll need distributed over at least 2 meals w/carbs and protein.

Just my opinion....

I mean bigger muscle wise, not just total "weight"...........

~SC~

**chest6** · 10-29-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

Thats how I do, but remember I also don't use dex post workout. I use a Whole grain bagel both times.

Man I forgot my preworkout oats today..I had the worst headache during legs today..only carbs i had all day was 27g of oats from the cardio at 11am

**Kärnfysikern** · 10-29-2005, 10:26 AM

When I was at my lowest on both carbs and calories I had a miniscule pwo meal only containing 20g carbs from oats. It didnt seem to effect my strenght or size negativly since I continued to gain strenght. But I have a wierd body

**Spoon** · 10-31-2005, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

is your pwo a shake? if it is a shake i would at least try and eat whole foods at 12pm. you could try having whey/oats for your pwo...then you could wait a little longer for your next meal

i have 50 grams protein and around 75grams dextrose for pwo