Final check list before I start cycle, please look.

[DBflash21]

Ok bro's bout to start my 12 week 500mg/EW (250mg/mon & thurs) cycle, and I have a couple final questions. I am an athlete and want to stay as lean as possible during this cycle, and try to eliminate any type of bloat or unneccessary weight. I have clomid and nolvadex for pct/gyno, but my question is, are there anything else I can take to help eliminate bloat or any unneccessary weight? I'm not trying to get massive on this cycle, just some quality strength gains. I heard someone mention proviron in another thread is that something I may need? Anything else to help me achieve my goals is greatly appriciated.

[Myka]

would you like to post your diet

[DBflash21]

Ok, sorry, should have included that...

Breakfast:
Protein shake (30+ grams)
Omelet w/salsa
Granola bar

Snack:
Peanut butter sandwhich
pretzels

Lunch:
some type of sandwhich
chicken
soup

Dinner:
baked potato w/cottage cheese
salad
chicken or steak

Before bed:
protein shake

It tends to vary but that is a basic outline of what I try to do.
Should I eat less since I want to keep my gains as lean as possible? What do you guys think.

Oh yeah, my stats are... 6'1, 185 and been training for 5 years.

Goals... Get to a legit 190-195 with my gains in mostly my strenth, and keep my speed. Thanks everyone.

[lowstace]

I use Letro from ARR.com its great keeps you lean... might wanna try clen at the end of cycle have ....fun man you sound like you know whats up man good luck

[DBflash21]

Thanks, first cycle, been researching hard...kinda floating around...getting opinions here and there, i'll check out that letro.

[DBflash21]

bump? lol I can tell this thread isn't as popular as "questions & answers"

[DBflash21]

Please help, I know this isn't the most exciting thread but I really wanna get some answers!!!

[Myka]

IMO your not eating enough...you seem like the type that is afraid of getting fat...Im that way too...

But you have to eat a lot if you want to see gains...I know people say this a lot but you need to model your diet after the lean bulking sticky...

[DBflash21]

So what would you reccomend?

[novastepp]

DB i'm gonna jump in here...
i take it wherever you are an athlete you aren't going to be drug tested...
and you are wanting to gain 5-10 pounds?
personally, i don't think you need the gear.
you're an athlete, up your calories and keep them very clean (be strict), then if you have a current routine, just change it up. keep your body guessing. Work hard and deadlift, squat, and bench and you'll see gains. work on your agility a few times a week and you won't lose any speed. i know, because i did it

[hawktribal]

i think nova is dead on. no need to cycle if you're only going for 5-10 lbs. I think your diet is the problem. It's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but I model your diet after the lean bulk like NewKid said. This will help you put on the weight you want and it is going to increase your strength. if i were you i'd hold off on cycling.

[taiboxa]

i think nova is dead on. no need to cycle if you're only going for 5-10 lbs. I think your diet is the problem. It's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but I model your diet after the lean bulk like NewKid said. This will help you put on the weight you want and it is going to increase your strength. if i were you i'd hold off on cycling.

8lbs of LBM is bout most u kan put on in a year Natty
10 solid lbs of LBM is AWSOME gains on a basic cycle.

[novastepp]

8lbs of LBM is bout most u kan put on in a year Natty
10 solid lbs of LBM is AWSOME gains on a basic cycle.

i disagree with that personally, but i do not think you can gain more than around 15 pounds of LBM in a year, going all natural. i gained a good 15 from a dirty bulk i did all last fall(July 14th-Nov 18th), after i cut up i gained not quite 8 pounds of muscle. now im doing Phera-plex and really clean bulking for 10 weeks to see if the gains are similiar in almost half the time. of course this will be pre-cutting, but i hope to gain around 8 pounds after my next cutter.

he also didn't say how soon he needed gains, it sound pretty recreational. he's already an athlete. but i think that he could get 5 pounds of lean muscle by next school year (fall 06') if he busted ass.

Tai, i'm not arguing here, i just think that if he's already an athlete he could do it naturally.

[DBflash21]

Ok, well actually I'm roughly 182, but throw 185 out for conversation. I want to get to a legit 195, so that is 13 lbs. Where can I improve on my diet? what needs work? What would you guys reccommed for minimal bloat?

[DSM4Life]

Your diet is horrible! Search around for information in the diet section. Your gains will suck if you don't.

[DBflash21]

Your diet is horrible! Search around for information in the diet section. Your gains will suck if you don't.

Yea, I'm trying to get some help on it...

[Myka]

I dont understand why you cant go to the bulking sticky and model your diet after that...you havent posted enough of a diet to critique...

[DBflash21]

I dont understand why you cant go to the bulking sticky and model your diet after that...you havent posted enough of a diet to critique...

Ok, let me give more of a detailed diet that I try to do.

Breakfast:
Omelet (3 eggs, cheese, red pepper, green onions)
Protein shake (myomax meal replacement)
oatmeal (1/2 cup little bit of brown sugar)
Orange juice

Snack:
Peanut butter sandwhich
Bananna
Pretzels
String Cheese

Lunch:
Tuna fish sandwhich
Bananna/Apple
Protein bar
carrots and veggies

Workout:
Mostly olympic lifts
Snatch
Squat
Clean
Bench
and cardio 3 times per week.

Dinner:
Either poultry, red meat, or fish.
Brown rice
veggies
salad
Bread

Before Bed:
Protein Shake
Some type of fruit
left overs from dinner

[Growingpains]

Ya man, looks like a good cycle.

but remember to eat ample calories because you want your body to have all the fuel it needs.

Also, I think Proviron is good a keeping bloating down. I have heard a lot of people cycle Pro with deca . Do a little research on the site.

Just my 2 cents,

Good luck homie,

GP

[DBflash21]

Thanks GP, I think I'll look into the proviron . Anyone else?

[chest6]

Alright, you seem to not want to read the bulking sticky so I'll give you an example diet

1. 12 eggwhites, 1 1/2 cups oats
2. 2 chicken breasts, 2 sweet potatoes
3. tuna/mayo
4. preworkout 40g whey/1 cup oats
workout
5. PWO 40g whey/80g dextrose
6. PPWO 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup rice
7. 12 eggwhites, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbspn natural peanut butter

This may be too much for you IMO, but you get the idea. Take a trip to the diet forum and read the sticky you'll see what I am talking about.

[chest6]

I dont think you need to cycle, the diet (or something similar toned down a little bit) that I outlined above will help you achieve your goals. With what you say now, aas is basically a shortcut. I think you could easily reach your goal naturally.

[smokethedays]

Alright, you seem to not want to read the bulking sticky so I'll give you an example diet

1. 12 eggwhites, 1 1/2 cups oats
2. 2 chicken breasts, 2 sweet potatoes
3. tuna/mayo
4. preworkout 40g whey/1 cup oats
workout
5. PWO 40g whey/80g dextrose
6. PPWO 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup rice
7. 12 eggwhites, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbspn natural peanut butter

This may be too much for you IMO, but you get the idea. Take a trip to the diet forum and read the sticky you'll see what I am talking about.

agreeeeed

[DBflash21]

Ok, I read that, appriciate it guys. I'm not exactly using steroids for size, but more for strenght, my lifts have never been good, and I've been lifting for 5 consecutive years with supplements, and above average dieting.