how much does drinking alcohol really set you back?

**BLAZE K** · 04-27-2006, 06:32 PM

i catch myself drinking almost every weekend night but ive been trying to get serious with my cutting and i was wondering what you guys thought about drinking and bodybuilding. will light beers and liquor like vodka that contains no fat, no carbs, no sugars, no sodium and light on calories set me back more then i would want then to rather have a good time?

**steve0** · 04-27-2006, 06:41 PM

this is a hottly debated topic somewhat plenty of threads on this BTW,
you should do a search, some people can get away with drinking as i say get away i mean not gaining weight, booz gives me a little gut so i stray from it, but alcohol itself damages the muscles cells and leaves you dehydrated which can take a few days to recover from, not saying i never do it but i dont do it often.

**Undecided09** · 04-27-2006, 06:48 PM

Well I think the best thing to drink if you are gonna drink is a very good good Vodka, like goose, kettle one, Stoli, etc, chased, or mixed with cranberry...Cranberry is a natural system flusher, and a very distilled vodka is very easy for ur body to process, so its in you and out a you very quickly and easily, the longer the alcohol is in ur system the longer your body needs to focus on breaking it down, as opposed to other things like muslce building...So the quicker its in you and out a you the better...

**steve0** · 04-27-2006, 06:50 PM

here yeah go !! this is from Giantz11

Its not the cals or carbs,it the alcohol. Alcohol when consumed becomes the body primary fuel. Since alcohol cannot be converted into any other form of energy for storage it is burned first by the body. Meaning everything else take a back seat. Also alcohol depletes muscle cells of water, increases cortisol and overt tim will raise estrogen. It also decreases fat oxidation by about 70%. You decide.

**biglouie250** · 04-27-2006, 06:57 PM

honestly i think that if i went out and just drank on weekend nights there would not be a problem..... im out dancing or doing something, its not like im on my ass just drinking. however me drinking leads to me ordering a bacon cheeseburger deluxe, with cheese fries and gravy at the diner at 3am..... that is the killer IMO.

**Undecided09** · 04-27-2006, 06:57 PM

Which further what I was trying to say is that the best alcohol is the kind that is in you and out of you, a distilled vodka is the best for that, and the cranberry flushes your system aiding it along...

**biglouie250** · 04-27-2006, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided09

Which further what I was trying to say is that the best alcohol is the kind that is in you and out of you, a distilled vodka is the best for that, and the cranberry flushes your system aiding it along...

cranberry = sugars.......

bacardi light and diet coke. 0 carbs 0 cals.

i drink guinness or sam adams exclusively tho

**SwoleCat** · 04-27-2006, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by biglouie250

honestly i think that if i went out and just drank on weekend nights there would not be a problem..... im out dancing or doing something, its not like im on my ass just drinking. however me drinking leads to me ordering a bacon cheeseburger deluxe, with cheese fries and gravy at the diner at 3am..... that is the killer IMO.

YUP!

~SC~

**BLAZE K** · 04-27-2006, 07:17 PM

lol big louie what i do is when all my buddys are getting cheese burgers and such espiecally from cherry valley i order a grilled chicken wrap =P im from queens i heard theres a cherry valley in long island too ever heard of it?

**Undecided09** · 04-27-2006, 07:21 PM

Cranberry does have sugar, you can go with Cranberry Light...

**chest6** · 04-27-2006, 07:36 PM

drinking really sets me back. Try to limit it to once every few months

**steve0** · 04-27-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

drinking really sets me back. Try to limit it to once every few months

when you drink chest do you normally have a cheat meal to ? or save that for another day

This is my question to you chest6 !!

**mitch911** · 04-27-2006, 08:11 PM

what type of meal should you have when getting home from drinking..same prebed cottage cheese natty pb (protein fat meal) or just protein seeing as ur insulin is spiked already?

**DNoMac** · 04-27-2006, 08:23 PM

I drink at least twice a week. Ever since it's been nice it's been 3 nights (thurs, fri, sat). I haven't put on any weight, but it may prohibited optimal muscle growth. I might as well get the partyin out of me while i'm in college. Too bad i have a girl and can't pull any ass.

**diesel21** · 04-27-2006, 08:57 PM

vodka n seltzer, lime or lemon.... not too bad, then i always eat like a fatmess later on, lol........ just dance like a maniac and burn it off

**mwolffey** · 04-27-2006, 08:58 PM

cutting=no no...bulking= once every two weeks...imo, just be careful of those bad food cravings...and drink some casin protein before hand...but then again i dont drink, so i dont have this problem

**ascendant** · 04-27-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided09

Well I think the best thing to drink if you are gonna drink is a very good good Vodka, like goose, kettle one, Stoli, etc, chased, or mixed with cranberry...Cranberry is a natural system flusher, and a very distilled vodka is very easy for ur body to process, so its in you and out a you very quickly and easily, the longer the alcohol is in ur system the longer your body needs to focus on breaking it down, as opposed to other things like muslce building...So the quicker its in you and out a you the better...

though the higher end liquors are a better choice, i have to agree with others that the sugars in the cranberry are not a good call, and you're not going to find a club with a "light" cranberry juice. besides, the stuff clubs carry tend to be only 10% fruit juice, if that, and the rest is just sugars. i know cause i bartend as well as personal train.

another reason the higher end liquors are better though is because of the filtration. "house" liquors tend to be made with minimal filtration and purification processes, giving them far more toxins in them than the higher end liquors. that's why a night of drinking house liquors will hurt you a lot more than a night of say for example, stoli.

what i do personally is flavored vodka's with soda water and some limes, oranges, or lemon wedges. not a whole lot of flavor, but it's not that bad. luckily since i don't drink much, only takes me a few drinks to get a nice buzz, so i don't think it does much harm to my system. just remember to drink plenty of water while drinking alcohol to counter it's dehydrating effects. for every drink i have, i take in at least that much in water as well, usually more.

**stayinstacked** · 04-27-2006, 09:30 PM

The trick is to give yourself a limit and stick to it. I wouldnt have more than 2-3 drinks, because usually after the 2nd or 3rd thats the transition where you just say **** it, I already screwed up so lets just get shitfaced.

**littlemantc** · 04-27-2006, 09:47 PM

would it be kool just to sip on a light beer..only drink about half of one during dinner????

**stayinstacked** · 04-27-2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by littlemantc

would it be kool just to sip on a light beer..only drink about half of one during dinner????

yeah, thats not gonna hurt ya any

**littlemantc** · 04-27-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by stayinstacked

yeah, thats not gonna hurt ya any

kool beans thanks bro

**ascendant** · 04-27-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by littlemantc

would it be kool just to sip on a light beer..only drink about half of one during dinner????

i think the issue here is mainly about getting plastered. a couple drinks here and there aren't going to be significant enough to cause noticeable loss in gains. it's when you pound down a pitcher of beer or several shots when it becomes worth even concerning yourself about.

**Undecided09** · 04-28-2006, 12:29 AM

Ok well the drinking and cranberry I'm talking about doesn't have shit to do with "clubs", which are gay to begin with, but I'm talking about when you go to the liquor store and go to the grocery store to purchase your intake, light cranberry is available...

**Panzerfaust** · 04-28-2006, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by steve0

here yeah go !! this is from Giantz11

Its not the cals or carbs,it the alcohol. Alcohol when consumed becomes the body primary fuel. Since alcohol cannot be converted into any other form of energy for storage it is burned first by the body. Meaning everything else take a back seat. Also alcohol depletes muscle cells of water, increases cortisol and overt tim will raise estrogen. It also decreases fat oxidation by about 70%. You decide.

Enough reason for anybody that is serious about cutting IMO.

**biglouie250** · 04-28-2006, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Undecided09

Cranberry does have sugar, you can go with Cranberry Light...

you find me a bar that has cranberry light lol!!!!

**biglouie250** · 04-28-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by BLAZE K

lol big louie what i do is when all my buddys are getting cheese burgers and such espiecally from cherry valley i order a grilled chicken wrap =P im from queens i heard theres a cherry valley in long island too ever heard of it?

yea how late are they open tho? i could get something healthy from the diner....but that never happens.

**biglouie250** · 04-28-2006, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Undecided09

Ok well the drinking and cranberry I'm talking about doesn't have shit to do with "clubs", which are gay to begin with, but I'm talking about when you go to the liquor store and go to the grocery store to purchase your intake, light cranberry is available...

i had no idea there were that many gay people in manhattan. shit i better be careful next time i go to crobar!!!!!

**speak** · 04-28-2006, 09:18 AM

When I drink I lose my apatite the next day. I can only eat crap. Chicken and rice will definitely lose out to a smothered burrito....and enchiladas......maybe a taco...mmmmmm, I haven't had mexican food for so long.

**ascendant** · 04-28-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by speak

When I drink I lose my apatite the next day. I can only eat crap. Chicken and rice will definitely lose out to a smothered burrito....and enchiladas......maybe a taco...mmmmmm, I haven't had mexican food for so long.

when you drank that much that it's affecting you the next day, that's when you know you drank too much, and that will unquestionably affect your gains.

**chest6** · 04-28-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by steve0

when you drink chest do you normally have a cheat meal to ? or save that for another day

This is my question to you chest6 !!

well with alcohol usually comes the cheat meal

Say I was drunk, I'd be more likely to down some pizza orsomething. When I get drunk I still worry about bb'ing and I try to search for food. Even though protein synthesis is thrown out of whack I still try..

**LAW** · 04-28-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by steve0

here yeah go !! this is from Giantz11

Its not the cals or carbs,it the alcohol. Alcohol when consumed becomes the body primary fuel. Since alcohol cannot be converted into any other form of energy for storage it is burned first by the body. Meaning everything else take a back seat. Also alcohol depletes muscle cells of water, increases cortisol and overt tim will raise estrogen. It also decreases fat oxidation by about 70%. You decide.

This is very good information. I love my Vodka & drink to much of it. I had no idea that it decreases fax oxidation. Another habbit I have to kick!

**steve0** · 04-28-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by LAW

This is very good information. I love my Vodka & drink to much of it. I had no idea that it decreases fax oxidation. Another habbit I have to kick!

word-up thank Giantz11 for that info

**mobiryder** · 07-08-2006, 02:55 PM

ive always thought a reason not to drink on a cycle was because of what it does to your liver and kidneys.... Could i have heard this wrong? The real issue is about our gains?

i'm going to Rio on vacation for a month next week and i was depressed i couldnt get hammered at the clubs there because im on a cycle.... pls do, someone straighten me out

**timtim** · 07-08-2006, 03:54 PM

your liver should be fine as long as your not running any 17 aa aas.

**ZB000** · 07-08-2006, 06:22 PM

You guys have the WRONG IDEA! Go out thinking "I cant let bodybuilding get in the way of my drinking!" Not vice versa. You will live a happier, shorter life.

**stuball** · 07-08-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by BLAZE K

lol big louie what i do is when all my buddys are getting cheese burgers and such espiecally from cherry valley i order a grilled chicken wrap =P im from queens i heard theres a cherry valley in long island too ever heard of it?

Blaze ??? Cherry Valley in Whitestone ??? Holy Sh!t !!!!!

**stuball** · 07-09-2006, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by BLAZE K

lol big louie what i do is when all my buddys are getting cheese burgers and such espiecally from cherry valley i order a grilled chicken wrap =P im from queens i heard theres a cherry valley in long island too ever heard of it?

I think its in westbury, not 100% sure, i think Max is out there ..

**Kärnfysikern** · 07-09-2006, 07:48 AM

If you drink one or twice a month and is not cutting for a competition it wont matter that much. If you get loaded each and every weekend you are going to hurt your gains. If you are jucing at the same time your liver will hate you.

Ohh dont forget a bottle of pure vodka contains over 2000kcal.

**sofus99** · 07-09-2006, 07:55 AM

Alcohol also reduces natural testosterone production. However, this is less of a problem if you are on a cycle since you will probably already be more or less shut down anyway.

**tinyguy2** · 07-09-2006, 02:18 PM

would me spliting a 1.75 of seagram 7 whiskey last night with my friend and drinking 7up hurt my gains? i wish my town wasnt so beat. everyone is just a drunk.