soy milk

[briansauras]

I was reading a diet thread and it talked about drinking milk makes u look soft. Can someone explain this to me and does it stand true for soy milk?

Ive been drinking 2cups soy milk ED

[audis4]

Well in general, dairy products, if I consume enough make me bloated and soft looking. Doesn't happen to everyone; if you don't feel bloated or have that 'soft' look, keep on chuggin.

[AleX-69]

well afaik soy milk contains phytoestrogens (just like beer does) and therefore soy milk can exert a estrogenic effect on your body. But keep in mind this is only what i read somewhere. I do not have studies to back up this statement, nor have i tried soy milk myself

[briansauras]

well afaik soy milk contains phytoestrogens (just like beer does) and therefore soy milk can exert a estrogenic effect on your body. But keep in mind this is only what i read somewhere. I do not have studies to back up this statement, nor have i tried soy milk myself

So basically Im drinking low carb beer?

[steve0]

well afaik soy milk contains phytoestrogens (just like beer does) and therefore soy milk can exert a estrogenic effect on your body. But keep in mind this is only what i read somewhere. I do not have studies to back up this statement, nor have i tried soy milk myself

yeah thats true, stear clear of the soy

[*Narkissos*]

well afaik soy milk contains phytoestrogens (just like beer does) and therefore soy milk can exert a estrogenic effect on your body. But keep in mind this is only what i read somewhere. I do not have studies to back up this statement, nor have i tried soy milk myself

Soy also contains an adaptogenic phyto-nutrient that acts differently in either sex.

In males it can normalise testosterone .. in females it can normalise estrogen levels.

'Normalise' in this case= balance

I find i 'looked' harder when i ingested unsweetened soy milk daily.

[*Narkissos*]

I was reading a diet thread and it talked about drinking milk makes u look soft. Can someone explain this to me

Milk can cause you to 'look' soft tru two major pathways

One, milk is normally taken from pregnant cows (at least that's what i learned from the dairy farmer association).. As such, the milk will contain bilogically active estrogenic compounds.

Secondly, the sugar content of milk can cause one to hold water...

Barring that, some people are allergic to the lactose content... Though the allergy may not be pronounced (like upset stomach etc.).. it can manifest tru the exhibition of 'holding water'.. which in this case is due to the release of histamines in response to milk ingestion.

and does it stand true for soy milk?

Not necessarily.

Narkissos

[stunner5000pt]

Soy also contains an adaptogenic phyto-nutrient that acts differently in either sex.

In males it can normalise testosterone .. in females it can normalise estrogen levels.

'Normalise' in this case= balance

I find i 'looked' harder when i ingested unsweetened soy milk daily.

wouldnt it better off to not normalise it and keep the balance off with testosterone in men?

more test than estrogen (in ratio at least) is a good thing, no?

T nations articles on soy and why one shouldnt consume it dont show soy in the best light

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

yeah, I stay clear from soy milk just to be safe, since I've read about soy reducing test levels..but if what Narkissos says is true, then I can imagine being harmless...oh well, I look at it this way; if you're on cycle, your test level is already elevated and I can't imagine soy milk exerting that much of an influence..plus it is a good alternative to milk for those who are lactose intolerant/experience water retention. And if a cycle contains gear that typically elevates BP (like dbol or anadrol ), then the isoflavones in soy can help keep BP in check...just a thought

[*Narkissos*]

wouldnt it better off to not normalise it and keep the balance off with testosterone in men?

'normalise'.. i.e. increases test in men if test is 'low'.

If test is in the normal range it will have no effect.

Much like other adaptogenic factors (e.g. Eleutherococcus), if a specific level is in the normal range the factor has no effect.

more test than estrogen (in ratio at least) is a good thing, no?

I think you missed the point man.

It isn't a hormone booster in the convetional sense.

T nations articles on soy and why one shouldnt consume it dont show soy in the best light

And some articles say whey is garbage... That doesn't make the statement true.

Narkissos

[soccer#3]

soy milk tastes like glue

[*Narkissos*]

soy milk tastes like glue

lol...

[Kärnfysikern]

soy rocks atleast the beans. Never tasted the milk

[Machdiesel]

So Soy is a better choice then Skim???

[Kärnfysikern]

So Soy is a better choice then Skim???

doesnt make much of a difference what you drink aslong as you are not lactose intollerant. regular milk has better protein quality, soy has its advantages like cancer protection.

I go with what tastes best

[Machdiesel]

Yea my PWO shake is a full 4 scoop servig of cytogainer, ALOT of milk so i have to take a lactaid prior inorder to stomach it, would that effect how my body obsorbs the nutrients in the shak>?

[Dr. Musclehead]

Soy is great but treat it for what it is, which is FOOD and not a dietary supplement. It can be part of a healthy diet but I would not start popping soy bean supplements.