Diet and gear

[seriouslifter]

So how much should i be consuming while on gear? I want to cut/lose body fat, but also gain lean mass. Im sure this can be accomplished while on gear. Should i be consuming 100g of carbs pwo along with 50g of protein? Im trying to make my diet in fitday. How much fats should I have and so on? I am around 205lb.

[Kale]

So how much should i be consuming while on gear? I want to cut/lose body fat, but also gain lean mass. Im sure this can be accomplished while on gear. Should i be consuming 100g of carbs pwo along with 50g of protein? Im trying to make my diet in fitday. How much fats should I have and so on? I am around 205lb.

You cant really cut and bulk at the same time. Have a read of this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

[seriouslifter]

You cant really cut and bulk at the same time. Have a read of this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

ok I want to cut, i see and read, but isnt that for a normal person natural? I thought on aas you can consume so much more and make it very useful to get the most out of it.

[JohnboyF]

It can help yes, But it really depends on your diet. I** ( knowlegable member is eating about 3200-3500K and is adding LBM. But you need a strong diet and need to be doing cardio.

[IBdmfkr]

ok I want to cut, i see and read, but isnt that for a normal person natural? I thought on aas you can consume so much more and make it very useful to get the most out of it.

This is a common misconception.. AAS isn't a magic pill or superdrug, it merely increases/manipulate hormone levels allowing you to utilize more nutrients in some cases and speeds the recovery process between workouts.

Without experience you won't be losing BF and gaining Muscle at the same time. You really have to be intouch with your body and training to do so.. I've still yet to figure this one out myself

[seriouslifter]

This is a common misconception.. AAS isn't a magic pill or superdrug, it merely increases/manipulate hormone levels allowing you to utilize more nutrients in some cases and speeds the recovery process between workouts.

Without experience you won't be losing BF and gaining Muscle at the same time. You really have to be intouch with your body and training to do so.. I've still yet to figure this one out myself

yes more nutrients, so im trying to figure out how much i should be eating for calories and protein and so on for my diet on gear. I know the recommendation for a natural person. I just want to get the best out of it. It says 1.5g per lb for protein, should i do 2g?

[IBdmfkr]

Actually it's not even that high.. an athelete is recommended to take in .8g/lb of LBM. So for me I require around 150g Protein/day. The rest will be made up of Complex carbs and a small amount of fats.

[usualsuspect]

Seriouslifter, check out www.fitday.com to track your calories.

Bottom line, if you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough calories.

So, track your calories for 1-2 weeks, find your daily average, then increase by 10-15% until you gain about 1 pound per week.

Here are some general guidelines that I follow, although they aren't exactly conventional:

1. Eat a minimum of 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight.
2. Eat a minimum of 0.5 gram of fat per pound of body weight.
3. Every meal has meat (beef, chicken, pork, or fish) or protein powder (very rare).
4. Every meal has veggies (spinach, carrots, broccoli) or fruit (apple, orange, banana, etc.).
5. Every meal has nuts (cashews, walnuts, almonds, peanuts).
6. Main meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) have a complex carb (brown rice, pasta, potato, etc.) depending on goals.

[seriouslifter]

Seriouslifter, check out www.fitday.com to track your calories.

Bottom line, if you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough calories.

So, track your calories for 1-2 weeks, find your daily average, then increase by 10-15% until you gain about 1 pound per week.

Here are some general guidelines that I follow, although they aren't exactly conventional:

1. Eat a minimum of 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight.
2. Eat a minimum of 0.5 gram of fat per pound of body weight.
3. Every meal has meat (beef, chicken, pork, or fish) or protein powder (very rare).
4. Every meal has veggies (spinach, carrots, broccoli) or fruit (apple, orange, banana, etc.).
5. Every meal has nuts (cashews, walnuts, almonds, peanuts).
6. Main meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) have a complex carb (brown rice, pasta, potato, etc.) depending on goals.

Thanks, i started fitday trying to make a diet. Im going to try and cut this time. So prob 1.5g of protein on gear, what about carbs? I really want to get this down. do I really have to measure veggies?

[usualsuspect]

Seriouslifter-
Without weighing and measuring it’s all pissing in the wind! It does not have to be a bb diet, it can be cyclic low carb or a sauerkraut and Vienna sausage diet, but if we do not know amounts and types of foods it’s all guess work. If your performance/body comp is not where you want it to be you need to take the time to figure out where you are to make a sensible decision as to where you are going. Once you get comfortable with a game plan, you can loosen things up significantly. Admitingly, I no longer measure food

[seriouslifter]

Seriouslifter-
Without weighing and measuring it’s all pissing in the wind! It does not have to be a bb diet, it can be cyclic low carb or a sauerkraut and Vienna sausage diet, but if we do not know amounts and types of foods it’s all guess work. If your performance/body comp is not where you want it to be you need to take the time to figure out where you are to make a sensible decision as to where you are going. Once you get comfortable with a game plan, you can loosen things up significantly. Admitingly, I no longer measure food

huh? lol. so what do i do lol

[usualsuspect]

Measuring is a good starting point. Once you get it down, you can get away with eyeballing it.

I reread my previous post and chunkled. Don't worry it's me, not you lol.

[seriouslifter]

Measuring is a good starting point. Once you get it down, you can get away with eyeballing it.

I reread my previous post and chunkled. Don't worry it's me, not you lol.

do i add in veggies on fitday?

[Kärnfysikern]

no most veggies contain so few carbs that they are totaly ignorable
btw pwo nutrition is a very small part of the diet. Dont get to worried about pwo nutrition. Down a whey shake with around 50g protein and 50g of any carbs and your good to go. What is more important is to have a good pre workout meal with high quality protein and medium gi carbs.

[IBdmfkr]

I always add veggies personally..
A cup of Corn or Peas has around 100calories as opposed to a cup of Broccoli.
If I take in 4-5cups of C+P's during the day it will throw my calories off by quite a bit. So I'd recommend it.

[Kärnfysikern]

yeah corn and peas should defenetly be counted. Forgot all about those :/

[seriouslifter]

no most veggies contain so few carbs that they are totaly ignorable
btw pwo nutrition is a very small part of the diet. Dont get to worried about pwo nutrition. Down a whey shake with around 50g protein and 50g of any carbs and your good to go. What is more important is to have a good pre workout meal with high quality protein and medium gi carbs.

so should i continue to eat my bagel post workout, i usually had 2 that would be 100g of carbs. So now I should have 1? There 220 calories per bagel with like 15 calories of fat. Should I be taking now dextrose instead, since thats prob lower calories for 50g of carbs? Really 50g of carbs while on gear for pwo shake? Not like 75?

[usualsuspect]

Personally, I'd avoid using dextrose like the plague. Whether cutting, bulking, pre or post workout. A carb of that caliber has no place in a healthy diet. Of course, the advice only applies to those who care about they're health

[Kärnfysikern]

so should i continue to eat my bagel post workout, i usually had 2 that would be 100g of carbs. So now I should have 1? There 220 calories per bagel with like 15 calories of fat. Should I be taking now dextrose instead, since thats prob lower calories for 50g of carbs? Really 50g of carbs while on gear for pwo shake? Not like 75?

bagel works plenty fine. No need for dextrose at all

Personaly I do a milk+banana+whey shake. But bagel works just as well.

as for one or two bagels. I think one is plenty fine. It all depends on what you eat pre workout though. The pre workout meal is ALOT more important than the post workout meal.

[seriouslifter]

bagel works plenty fine. No need for dextrose at all

Personaly I do a milk+banana+whey shake. But bagel works just as well.

as for one or two bagels. I think one is plenty fine. It all depends on what you eat pre workout though. The pre workout meal is ALOT more important than the post workout meal.

Alot of people are taking dextrose, its cheaper also, but im so used to bagels. So if im cutting 1 bagel is fine 50g protein, 50g carbs? I keep thinking this is all way too little for carbs if on gear, but i am cutting. My preworkout like 20 min before i have 1 scoop of ON whey and like a yogurt or should i be having oatmeal? 1/2 cup?

[IBdmfkr]

Gear or no gear you need to focus on your goal.. actually being on cycle will prevent catabolism much more than being Off so you can take advantage of this and dip below maintenance without having to worry so much about losing LBM.

[boxingbean]

is cuttin n bulkin impossible if you up ur cardio in the mornin, but keep ur strong diet thruought the day n workout at night?

[audis4]

cutting and bulking, yes. One or the other.
One can gain muscle while cutting if your macros are in order.

[Kärnfysikern]

Alot of people are taking dextrose, its cheaper also, but im so used to bagels. So if im cutting 1 bagel is fine 50g protein, 50g carbs? I keep thinking this is all way too little for carbs if on gear, but i am cutting. My preworkout like 20 min before i have 1 scoop of ON whey and like a yogurt or should i be having oatmeal? 1/2 cup?

You realy dont need much carbs pwo. It does not enhance protein synthesis. So 50 grams is perfectly good. Gear or no gear doesnt make much of a difference in that regard. Gear doesnt realy effect your carb needs.

The whey and yoghurt pre workout sounds good. Try to get 50:50 there aswell

[seriouslifter]

You realy dont need much carbs pwo. It does not enhance protein synthesis. So 50 grams is perfectly good. Gear or no gear doesnt make much of a difference in that regard. Gear doesnt realy effect your carb needs.

The whey and yoghurt pre workout sounds good. Try to get 50:50 there aswell

ok so now it boils down to, 1 bagel or get now dextrose? Is it better to do dextrose/malto mix?

[IBdmfkr]

I don't think either will make much of a difference, the bagel would obviosly be lower GI and store less fat if you took in excess carbs PWO..
I personally stay away from straight dextrose.

[seriouslifter]

I don't think either will make much of a difference, the bagel would obviosly be lower GI and store less fat if you took in excess carbs PWO..
I personally stay away from straight dextrose.

What about Optimum Nutrition - Glycoload? That has 50g of carbs in 1 scoop. Its a mix of dex/malto. That looks interesting. Some people said you will be taking whole foods hour later so why do it pwo.

[IBdmfkr]

I'm not a huge supplement fan, just recently started that malto/vitargo mix with BCAA's. Other than that, every thing that goes in my mouth is wholefoods.

[Kärnfysikern]

ok so now it boils down to, 1 bagel or get now dextrose? Is it better to do dextrose/malto mix?

the bottom line is that it doesnt matter if you use a high gi or low gi carb when it comes to protein synthesis. So dextrose or a bagel will do the same job just as good. Dextrose on the other hand might be worse for fat loss.

But at the end of the day the difference is miniscule like I** say, so if one is more convinient than the other go for it

[seriouslifter]

the bottom line is that it doesnt matter if you use a high gi or low gi carb when it comes to protein synthesis. So dextrose or a bagel will do the same job just as good. Dextrose on the other hand might be worse for fat loss.

But at the end of the day the difference is miniscule like I** say, so if one is more convinient than the other go for it

So should I get ON glycoload? Since it has a blend of dex/malto?

[Kärnfysikern]

if its most convinient go ahead. dex or malto or bagels or banana or oats or milk or.. well you get the picture it all works

[seriouslifter]

if its most convinient go ahead. dex or malto or bagels or banana or oats or milk or.. well you get the picture it all works

so to go over, 50g of carbs is fine and prob if i was bulking i would take in 100g carbs.

[Kärnfysikern]

so to go over, 50g of carbs is fine and prob if i was bulking i would take in 100g carbs.

well going over 50 grams probably wont give you any more muscle growth either. If it fits with the daily intake you are shooting for then go for it.
But there is no specific reason for you to do it. You can place those extra carbs in a pre workout meal instead, thats what I would do.

But like I said earlier. The importance of PWO nutrition is grossly overexagerated.

[audis4]

so to go over, 50g of carbs is fine and prob if i was bulking i would take in 100g carbs.

I take in a lot of carbs while bulking.
PWO consists of 2 scoops of whey and 1 sweet potato little less than 40g carbs. PPWO 30 minutes later is usually WW pasta with chicken.
Cutting was 2 scoops whey and 1 cup oats.
Just my 2 cents.

[seriouslifter]

I take in a lot of carbs while bulking.
PWO consists of 2 scoops of whey and 1 sweet potato little less than 40g carbs. PPWO 30 minutes later is usually WW pasta with chicken.
Cutting was 2 scoops whey and 1 cup oats.
Just my 2 cents.

yup im cutting so im going to take in 2 scoops of whey and 50g of carbs that ON glycoload stuff. Does it matter that it has 30g of sugars in it also? Im going to get the pink lemonade stuff. I just want that ON glyco stuff because it seems easy and it has the combo of dex and malto already in it.

[audis4]

yup im cutting so im going to take in 2 scoops of whey and 50g of carbs that ON glycoload stuff. Does it matter that it has 30g of sugars in it also? Im going to get the pink lemonade stuff. I just want that ON glyco stuff because it seems easy and it has the combo of dex and malto already in it.

No that would be fine. What are the macros on the glycoload besides carbs?

[seriouslifter]

No that would be fine. What are the macros on the glycoload besides carbs?

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[audis4]

Ya, that looks fine, add that to your whey.