something i heard about protein today

**SnaX** · 03-21-2007, 12:30 AM

I was at a supplement store today, and was speaking to the owner about dieting and what to eat, etc.

the guy was telling me that in order to build more muscle mass, not only do I need a proper diet, but I need to take in 1.2 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight.

Is this true?

**Myka** · 03-21-2007, 02:54 AM

arguably. Ive heard as low as .7g per lbs. for muscle gain.

**C_Bino** · 03-21-2007, 11:50 AM

I try to get 1.5-2.0g per pound.

**anonymous** · 03-21-2007, 04:25 PM

well im not an expert but have been lifting for 4 years and always heard that if your looking to gain muscle then 1.5-2 grams per lb of muscle weight is ideal......but believe it or not my first 2 yrs of "training" i didnt follow ANY sort of diet and like hardly ate but some how in those two years i went from 145-50 to 180 but i hit a hard platue and i agree with the 1.5-2g protein intake inorder to take u to the next level

**ph34rsh4ck** · 03-21-2007, 04:43 PM

You have 1500 posts and you've never heard this..?? How much protein have you been taking in???

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-21-2007, 04:49 PM

Read the book "power eating". It cites many studies suggesting the max range needed for even the most active BBer is 2.2g per KILO. Anymore than this is simply a waste or worse turned to fat depending on total cals

**heavyhitter08** · 03-21-2007, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by ph34rsh4ck

You have 1500 posts and you've never heard this..?? How much protein have you been taking in???

exactly, no flame intended but that was like the first thing i learned about food for building.

**ph34rsh4ck** · 03-21-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Read the book "power eating". It cites many studies suggesting the max range needed for even the most active BBer is 2.2g per KILO. Anymore than this is simply a waste or worse turned to fat depending on total cals

So you should eat your body weight in pounds, in protein, I weigh 180, so i should only consume 180ish grams of protein a day? I think id have to work harder consuming LESS protein than i would consuming more

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-21-2007, 04:56 PM

the gap is filled by complex carbs and fat.

**ph34rsh4ck** · 03-21-2007, 05:00 PM

Well i guess that is just a "book", and it is only "suggesting" what you should do, i think ill stick to the 1.5g per pound :P

**taiboxa** · 03-21-2007, 07:16 PM

nah never too much protein.. protein is fuxin awsome.. not only is it the bricks needed to make muscle but due to its complex nature it is awsome for burning fat. to denature and reconfigure protein into fat takes an immense amount of energy and thus can burn more fat in the process..

think bout that

**ph34rsh4ck** · 03-21-2007, 09:45 PM

**IronAdam** · 03-21-2007, 10:09 PM

I've never been a fan of 2+g's/lb, I just can't take it. Starting from 215 thats 430g of protein/lb and thats where I'm at now. If my goal was 230lbs it would be 460g's. If I eat that much I get terrible acid reflux. Poor me lol.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-22-2007, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by ph34rsh4ck

Well i guess that is just a "book", and it is only "suggesting" what you should do, i think ill stick to the 1.5g per pound :P

It is a hugely accredited book based on proven science. I would suggest you read it.

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Read the book "power eating". It cites many studies suggesting the max range needed for even the most active BBer is 2.2g per KILO. Anymore than this is simply a waste or worse turned to fat depending on total cals

Precisely. The reason for such a high protein intake is that much of what we take in is not properly synthesized by our bodies. Any more than 35g of protein per meal will be processed by your body and either stored or excreted; 35g of your intake will be utilized toward the healing process.

This is why meals are broken up throughout the day.

People tend to jam all of their protein into four meals or so which is simply wasting the majority of it as your body couldn't possibly absorb any more. You could probably get away with 1.2x your body weight if efficiently broken down to 6 or 8 small meals throughout the day, in addition to fibrous vegetables and nutrients your body requires.

Keep track of just how much you're ingesting each hour and consider whether you're wasting the food and could save it for better use in the near future.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-22-2007, 01:27 AM

Yes I would rather not spend an extra £50 a week on chicken just so I can shit it back out.

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by heavyhitter08

exactly, no flame intended but that was like the first thing i learned about food for building.

PM me with your workout regimen, specifically emphasis on latissimus dorsi and trapezius. If that is you in the avatar, then you have my compliments on the stingray immitation.

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Yes I would rather not spend an extra £50 a week on chicken just so I can shit it back out.

Is chicken that expensive there in the UK? That seems pricey.

Here in the U.S., we're lucky enough to have bison (buffalo) available to us, which is a much leaner meat with far more protein. It's also rather cheap in comparison, since the protein output is more per lb/kg than chicken.

Bison Nutrient Composition

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-22-2007, 02:02 AM

My full routine can be seen in my workout log in my sig.
Chicken in the UK is expensive (£5 per kilo) and we cant easily obtain buffalo unless we go to an expensive specialist meat place.

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 03:15 AM

I'll check that out, thanks.

**GrowingMuscle** · 03-22-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

nah never too much protein.. protein is fuxin awsome.. not only is it the bricks needed to make muscle but due to its complex nature it is awsome for burning fat. to denature and reconfigure protein into fat takes an immense amount of energy and thus can burn more fat in the process..

think bout that

I find it strange or to say inconstant with what you said in another thread, about whey protein being a waist of calories. If whey protein has been scientifically proven to be hugely bioavailability with a great amino acid profile what are you basing your belief on? Surely you agree that science is more accurate than people’s opinions. Actually popular belief is wrong a lot of the times because people tend to believe what they want to believe. I have been told that pro bb’s drink a lot of shakes, don’t know how true that is tho.

Protein is protein and the only difference is the way it is delivered and broken down, sure they have varying amino acid profile and such, but protein is protein.

**spywizard** · 03-22-2007, 11:21 AM

i do about 300g, i weigh 205... i'm 46 yrs old.. i grow muscle and lose fat at that amount..

when i go lower.. .200g.. i do not grow muscle..

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

i do about 300g, i weigh 205... i'm 46 yrs old.. i grow muscle and lose fat at that amount..

when i go lower.. .200g.. i do not grow muscle..

I don't think anyone is saying you won't gain muscle off of that amount; it's the prescribed 1.5x your body weight.

The point being made is that less protein would be adequate with a precise diet and correct intervals between meals (say, 8x/day instead of 5x). What I was trying to say is that you require so much protein because most of it isn't being sythesized due to the amount ingested at one time.

**taiboxa** · 03-22-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by GrowingMuscle

I find it strange or to say inconstant with what you said in another thread, about whey protein being a waist of calories. If whey protein has been scientifically proven to be hugely bioavailability with a great amino acid profile what are you basing your belief on? Surely you agree that science is more accurate than people’s opinions. Actually popular belief is wrong a lot of the times because people tend to believe what they want to believe. I have been told that pro bb’s drink a lot of shakes, don’t know how true that is tho.

Protein is protein and the only difference is the way it is delivered and broken down, sure they have varying amino acid profile and such, but protein is protein.

yes i guess... protein is protein just like carbs are carbs.. the thing is, whey protein is in such a readily aviable form that it can be effectively broken down and utilized as an ENERGY source (which in most cases it is). This is the reason why it is advocated to only use whey protein Post workout (in a depleted state), when you need those nutrients which can be quickly utilized and transported to where they are needed most... where as the protein found in chicken takes far more work (energy) to be denatured to a readily available form of aminos and utilized as an energy source. Now you may think im contridicting my self but if u read closer you would see that i advocate HIGH intake of "REAL" protein, i.e. Chickn, Cheese, Milk, ANIMALS, small Children and less supplemental sources of protein i.e. shakes/bars.

YOU want your body to work hard to denature these amino's and reconstruct them into a form that is needed by your body. This not only gives you a thermogenic effect but also gives you a slower and more controlled source of protein/amino's
you wouldnt chug a glass of cool'aid in the morning when you could have oats, grains or a lower g.i. carb source, would you? so i dont see why one would consume whey when they could have egg whites or chickn. unless its post work out, which this concept has been beatin to death. And even in this depleted state i still see better gains from consuming FOOD pwo rather than a shake.

**Vinlander** · 03-22-2007, 05:53 PM

Yes, that's pretty much the essence of the issue: Whey is more of an emergency substitute than something to be calculated into a diet. One could easily get away with never purchasing a tub of the stuff and still make great gains off of a nutritious diet. Most of whey protein's pop is in the advertising.

**SnaX** · 03-23-2007, 12:15 AM

Number of posts...?

I'm a big fan of animals. I love to eat them. My protein intake isn't a problem.
Meat is actually what cures my cravings. I won't eat without meat.

a new category of flavor was recently added to taste. (we have sweet, sour, salty, bitter. now + something called "Umami" which is "savory". that is what meat is.
I doubt this information will save my life, but I remember it..

Anyways, I was simply wondering about what the man said about 1.2 to 1.5g per body weight. I had never come across that, and so now I know this is good to me.
I'm usually hearing calories blah blah. I hardly take in any calories, but my protein intake is the bomb. If I could have a cow farm in my stomach(minues the cow crap and farts.. and smell).... yeah

Cool replies, except the ones that didn't do anything but ask dumb questions.
IE "you don't know"? what does that reply do? nothing.

At least tai likes protein. good tai.

**Serotonin** · 03-23-2007, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Read the book "power eating". It cites many studies suggesting the max range needed for even the most active BBer is 2.2g per KILO. Anymore than this is simply a waste or worse turned to fat depending on total cals

Agreed, and some will argue this with me but too much protein/amino can really strain the kidneys. Compensating a tad more than 1g/lb may be good though (i.e. the 1.5g/lb) since you won't absorb 100% of what you ingest anyhow.

Taiboxa is correct though, out of all the macronutrients protein has the longest route to take from its natural form to getting into adipocytes (fat). The most important thing when ensuring adequate protein intake is that you're also getting your essential amino acids. These are aminos that your body CANNOT synthesize and must be contained in protein you eat.

**Vinlander** · 03-23-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Serotonin

Agreed, and some will argue this with me but too much protein/amino can really strain the kidneys. Compensating a tad more than 1g/lb may be good though (i.e. the 1.5g/lb) since you won't absorb 100% of what you ingest anyhow.

Taiboxa is correct though, out of all the macronutrients protein has the longest route to take from its natural form to getting into adipocytes (fat). The most important thing when ensuring adequate protein intake is that you're also getting your essential amino acids. These are aminos that your body CANNOT synthesize and must be contained in protein you eat.

If you take a step back and think about it, kidney failure (as well as heart and liver conditions) is one of the rallying cries for those who wish steroids would be moved to a Schedule I drug. Some of the effects attributed to AAS use may actually be from situations like this, where the bodybuilder is simply taking excessive amounts of protein and ruining one bodypart or another.

The same can be said for those who eliminate cardiovascular training from their regimen, grow to 250lbs, then suddenly have a "steroid -related heart condition."

I'm wondering how much of these kidney, liver and heart conditions are AAS-related and how many could've been fixed by a proper intake of protein, good cardio and putting down the beer can.

**SnaX** · 03-23-2007, 04:51 PM

Also, there was that clip on how there hasn't really been a detailed study of the affects of aas on the human body.
Moreover, creatine supplements are relatively new, and doctors are still wondering if there will be a negative outcome seen in people later on down the line. No way of telling at this point because it's still fairly new.
Yet it's legal to sell.

It's all about money really. if society welcomed aas usage more more open arms, then Im sure the govt would regulate it and somehow learn to turn a profit from it.

Where the money is, THAT's where the law follows.