Quick questions - BMR/Harris-Benedict

**ejb3** · 10-23-2007, 09:13 AM

Based on height/weight (5'10/205lb) my BMR is 2028. I have been using the harris-elliot spreadsheet that I got off here somewhere using the Moderately Active category. Now, if I wanted to cut based on this, my number is 2893 (seems about right, currently ranging between 2600 - 2800 although results have seemed to plateu). My question is:

If I perform the following split during the week what would you all consider my activity level for the harris-elliot formula?

mon - Chest followed by 25minutes of interval cardio
tues - Legs followed by 25minutes of interval cardio
wed - Arms
thurs - Back followed by 25minutes of interval cardio
fri - Shoulders followed by 25minutes of interval cardio

Categorys are:
Sedentary
Light Active
Moderately Active
Very Active
Extra Active

**Prada** · 10-23-2007, 08:51 PM

Somewhere around moderately active. Its always good to overestimate and cut the calories as necessary. The ls thing you want to is to become catabolic.

**sonnygll** · 10-23-2007, 10:52 PM

Just looking at your stats, I'd say about 2900 with 40 to 60 grams of carbs would be a good cutter for you. If weight loss stalls, cut the carbs back just a little MAYBE the calories very slightly. Then increase metabolic condition just a bit.

**Consistency** · 10-24-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by sonnygll

Just looking at your stats, I'd say about 2900 with 40 to 60 grams of carbs would be a good cutter for you. If weight loss stalls, cut the carbs back just a little MAYBE the calories very slightly. Then increase metabolic condition just a bit.

are you saying he should only eat 40-60 g of carbs throughout the whole day? You should have atleast that much in your PWO shake

**sonnygll** · 10-24-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

are you saying he should only eat 40-60 g of carbs throughout the whole day? You should have atleast that much in your PWO shake

That would be right for bulking. However for cutting, there is no point of digging a hole and then kicking all the dirt back in.

Ok, I guess I have to come clean and admit that I think the cutting sticky sucks, and has absolutely no basis in fact. If you look at the total carbs and type of carbs in the sample diet, it looks like the author just took a bulking diet and cut the calories down. Which is simplistic and silly in my opinion.

The cutting diet sample, would be very good for a 140 lbs. ectomorph who is trying to bulk. There is enough calories for a guy that small, and the ectomorph doesn't have to worry much about fat gain and can throw in more of the higher GI carbs.

Most fat people follow the same advice of just cutting calories but continuing to eat higher gi carbs willy nilly. And combine that with lots of cardio. It doesn't work. If it did work, they would all be ripped. They wouldn't have big muscles because they don't lift weights, but they should all be ripped.

This is all for natural weight loss of course. Obviously you can temporarily use hours of cardio and starvation diets to quickly drop some fat, while using steroids to retain muscle mass. Of course that probably isn't very good for you.

Ok, so there it is. Now I can just take me beating and be done with it.

**Consistency** · 10-24-2007, 09:22 PM

ill get back to this one later... but real quick I am a firm believer that whether your are bulking or cutting you should have atleast a 1.75/1 (I like 2:1) carb/pro ratio in your PWO shake. The PWO shake to me is the most important meal of the day, with the first meal being the 2nd most important and the last meal of the day being 3rd

**sonnygll** · 10-24-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

ill get back to this one later... but real quick I am a firm believer that whether your are bulking or cutting you should have atleast a 1.75/1 (I like 2:1) carb/pro ratio in your PWO shake. The PWO shake to me is the most important meal of the day, with the first meal being the 2nd most important and the last meal of the day being 3rd

Wow, that's different. I debate with plenty of people who say PWO carbs should be taken during bulking. However they all support the 1:1 ratio. I look forward to hearing your argument.

I am going to guess that you are an ectomorph who metabolizes carbs very well and has no problems with bodyfat. Am I right about that?

Does the same ratio, in your opinion apply to all body types, including people who have poor insulin function and sensitivity? Or other types of crappy genetics?

I am sure you will state your case for PWO carbs during cutting. But I am particularly interested in hearing the reason for the 2:1 ratio, as I've never encountered that.