douglas graham and the 80/10/10 diet

[deladude]

has anyone else heard of this freak?

says all you need is 10% protein! how the hell do his followers not die!?!?

[calstate23]

has anyone else heard of this freak?

says all you need is 10% protein! how the hell do his followers not die!?!?

Don't know but sounds ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS and STUPID to me. I would never ever take less then 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. If you are trying to cut you can cut out the carbs and fats, but the PROTEIN?!? Me no like that.

And hey, when looking for the right answers when it comes to weight lifting and bodybuilding its best to see what the top athletes are doing. As in any sport, the best of the best do the best because it is proven through science to have the best results. Obviously, no bodybuilder would use this diet because it would not be beneficial AT ALL. Therefore I would not even think twice about this diet. I would be embarrassed to even bring this up to my nutritionist, he might laugh in my face

[deladude]

He states that little research has been done on protein usage and athletics! WOW!!!! this guy is absolutley insane!

[calstate23]

He states that little research has been done on protein usage and athletics! WOW!!!! this guy is absolutley insane!

Yeah, obviously he has no experience with himself or other trained athletes because it is definitely proven that a higher intake is definitely needed. Maybe not to survive ha ha but for bodybuilding thats a big no no!

No wonder he trains women like Demi Moore because I don't see anyone other serious lifter coming close to buying these shenanigans!

[Twist]

Depends on that caloric intake. I mean if I were to consume 8k cals a day because I was some freak of nature and was a swimmer or marathon runner etc, then that would be mostly carbs, and still at 10% protein be 200g. It's possible, but not applicable to most. There is also little (if any) stating that we need over 30% protein.

[calstate23]

A bodybuilder should not go less then 1.5 grams protein per body weight bottom line! We are breaking down muscle and the best way to rebuild and gain muscle is through protein intake. Of course everyone is different, but just to make sure I stick to 1.75 grams protein per pound of body weight and then adjust from there.

I'm sorry, but 10% protein intake will NEVER be APPLICABLE, more like horrible! That is ridiculous to even say that it could be a correct practice. Even if you are a marathon runner or swimmer, if you are taking in 10% protein intake you are losing and destroying muscle bottomline! So therefore,it would NEVER be a good practice unless your goal is to destroy muscle and lose weight.

[Twist]

A bodybuilder should not go less then 1.5 grams protein per body weight bottom line! We are breaking down muscle and the best way to rebuild and gain muscle is through protein intake. Of course everyone is different, but just to make sure I stick to 1.75 grams protein per pound of body weight and then adjust from there.

I'm sorry, but 10% protein intake will NEVER be APPLICABLE, more like horrible! That is ridiculous to even say that it could be a correct practice. Even if you are a marathon runner or swimmer, if you are taking in 10% protein intake you are losing and destroying muscle bottomline! So therefore,it would NEVER be a good practice unless your goal is to destroy muscle and lose weight.

I am not arguing this guys odd position, nor would I subscribe to it. But if you have some evidence other than, "because the big guys do it" stating that a person needs 1.5g per pound of body weight I would love to see it. This guys position is odd that's for sure. I didn't read the article about it though.

[deladude]

a direct quote from douglas graham about his diet!
(We are literally thumbing our nose at the nutritional advice of all the world's health professionals. while at the same time trying to use some of the information that they say.)

some1 sent me a copy of his book on my computer and its full of the craziest reasoning i've ever heard. i mean it's realy hard to believe that people can read the diet and think its healthy. his reasoning just doent make sense.

is it possible to post up a file? if it is i'll post the book

[calstate23]

I am not arguing this guys odd position, nor would I subscribe to it. But if you have some evidence other than, "because the big guys do it" stating that a person needs 1.5g per pound of body weight I would love to see it. This guys position is odd that's for sure. I didn't read the article about it though.

I'm not trying to be arrogant when I say this but yes because the big guys do it! I've proven over and over again to myself and so have my friends that optimal protein intake should at least be over 1.5 grams protein per pound of body weight. We just do not see the results at a lower intake as we do with a higher intake. I don't know about you, but I've always been the "Proof Is In The Puddin" type of guy. If you got the goods to prove it then I would rather take someones advice who can put it to good use.

Protein should not drop below the 1.5 gram protein per pound body weight. Test it yourself and then tell me. Unless you are TRULY THE EXCEPTION your best results will be with this intake or higher. Obviously depending on individuals and steroid use this will vary but its best to stick around 1.5 minimum. If you are cycling I personally will not go below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

[tbody66]

I am not arguing this guys odd position, nor would I subscribe to it. But if you have some evidence other than, "because the big guys do it" stating that a person needs 1.5g per pound of body weight I would love to see it. This guys position is odd that's for sure. I didn't read the article about it though.

There is no other evidence supporting this, nor is there evidence of this.

I'm not trying to be arrogant when I say this but yes because the big guys do it! I've proven over and over again to myself and so have my friends that optimal protein intake should at least be over 1.5 grams protein per pound of body weight. We just do not see the results at a lower intake as we do with a higher intake. I don't know about you, but I've always been the "Proof Is In The Puddin" type of guy. If you got the goods to prove it then I would rather take someones advice who can put it to good use.

Protein should not drop below the 1.5 gram protein per pound body weight. Test it yourself and then tell me. Unless you are TRULY THE EXCEPTION your best results will be with this intake or higher. Obviously depending on individuals and steroid use this will vary but its best to stick around 1.5 minimum. If you are cycling I personally will not go below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

You don't have to try to be arrogant, it comes natural. Twist has substantially more knowledge and respect than you and he still comes off humble and simply asking for you to back up your statements with facts.

If you are going to say you and your friends do it and it works, but it didn't work otherwise, then you would need to list the specifics of the protein percentages or grams that you tried before, as in "me and my 3 friends, tried diets of .5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for 8 weeks while performing workout x and not taking massive amounts of steroids and added y lbs of lean muscle, then we went to .75 grams, then 1.0, then 1.25, then 1.5, etc... etc..." also you would need to list age/ht/wt for each and other factors, including but not limited to, steroid use .

I would wager your "proof is in the puddin" is more like, I've always done it this way while taking steroids and it worked for me. Your statement about "having the goods" is further evidence of your absolute lack if intelligent reasoning. I have seen so many better built guys in the gym with terrible diet and exercise habits that wouldn't work for anyone but the most genetically and metabolically gifted.

[calstate23]

There is no other evidence supporting this, nor is there evidence of this.



You don't have to try to be arrogant, it comes natural. Twist has substantially more knowledge and respect than you and he still comes off humble and simply asking for you to back up your statements with facts.

If you are going to say you and your friends do it and it works, but it didn't work otherwise, then you would need to list the specifics of the protein percentages or grams that you tried before, as in "me and my 3 friends, tried diets of .5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for 8 weeks while performing workout x and not taking massive amounts of steroids and added y lbs of lean muscle, then we went to .75 grams, then 1.0, then 1.25, then 1.5, etc... etc..." also you would need to list age/ht/wt for each and other factors, including but not limited to, steroid use .

I would wager your "proof is in the puddin" is more like, I've always done it this way while taking steroids and it worked for me. Your statement about "having the goods" is further evidence of your absolute lack if intelligent reasoning. I have seen so many better built guys in the gym with terrible diet and exercise habits that wouldn't work for anyone but the most genetically and metabolically gifted.

No doubt thats true, no doubt. I was one of those guys in my earlier years. I use to horse down everything, drink beer, eat pizza and I would always stay lean and gain muscle. But still the fact remains that even though you can have a horrible diet and get away with it, they would see even BETTER results if they practiced proper diet.

Well like I said, I've proven to myself and so have many many people around me proved that 1.5 and higher will create the most optimal results. When you have 20 or more people and they all get the same results I could really care less what science or anyone has to say because I have seen it work first hand. And thats actually EXACTLY what we did. We started off at 1 gram protein per pound of weight and did for 10 weeks, then same did the same exact thing and increased by .25 until we reached 2 grams protein per pound of bodyweight.

Everyone had the best results around 1.75-2 grams protein per pound body weight. A couple of the guys looked exactly the same once they hit 1.5 and higher. Thus, is why I would say do not drop below 1.5 grams protein per pound of body. We saw NO ONE get better results below the 1.5 mark. This was done while not cycling because we wanted the most accurate results.

And once we figured out more protein is better (Without steroid use) is it obviously clear that when you are on a cycle your body increase its ability for protein synthesis. So obviously we would go even higher while cycling. That is why on a cycle I will not drop below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

As for going below 1 gram protein per pound of body, that is just ridiculous. I was even embarrassed to start off at 1 gram protein per pound of body weight but wanted to include it into the mix just to see how bad it would be.

PEOPLE ALSO THOUGHT THE WORLD WAS SQUARE, BUT REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE OVERWHELMING TENDS TO FIND MORE TRUTH. IF YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU ALWAYS GET THE SAME RESULTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN OBVIOUSLY THAT ANSWER IS THE CORRECT ANSWER.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO WHY DRUG COMPANIES MUST COMPLETE HUMAN DRUG TRIALS BEFORE GOING TO MARKET. THEY CAN THINK ALL THEY WANT BUT UNTIL IT IS PUT TO REAL USE NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THEN FROM THAT YOU GET STATISTICS AND SEE WHAT WORKS A MAJORITY OF THE TIME. I'VE DONE THE STATS, WITH OVER AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND HAVE ALL HAD BEST RESULTS 1.5 AND HIGHER.

[calstate23]

There is no other evidence supporting this, nor is there evidence of this.



You don't have to try to be arrogant, it comes natural. Twist has substantially more knowledge and respect than you and he still comes off humble and simply asking for you to back up your statements with facts.

If you are going to say you and your friends do it and it works, but it didn't work otherwise, then you would need to list the specifics of the protein percentages or grams that you tried before, as in "me and my 3 friends, tried diets of .5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for 8 weeks while performing workout x and not taking massive amounts of steroids and added y lbs of lean muscle, then we went to .75 grams, then 1.0, then 1.25, then 1.5, etc... etc..." also you would need to list age/ht/wt for each and other factors, including but not limited to, steroid use .

I would wager your "proof is in the puddin" is more like, I've always done it this way while taking steroids and it worked for me. Your statement about "having the goods" is further evidence of your absolute lack if intelligent reasoning. I have seen so many better built guys in the gym with terrible diet and exercise habits that wouldn't work for anyone but the most genetically and metabolically gifted.

No doubt thats true, no doubt. I was one of those guys in my earlier years. I use to horse down everything, drink beer, eat pizza and I would always stay lean and gain muscle. But still the fact remains that even though you can have a horrible diet and get away with it, they would see even BETTER results if they practiced proper diet.

Well like I said, I've proven to myself and so have many many people around me proved that 1.5 and higher will create the most optimal results. When you have 20 or more people and they all get the same results I could really care less what science or anyone has to say because I have seen it work first hand. And thats actually EXACTLY what we did. We started off at 1 gram protein per pound of weight and did for 10 weeks, then same did the same exact thing and increased by .25 until we reached 2 grams protein per pound of bodyweight.

Everyone had the best results around 1.75-2 grams protein per pound body weight. A couple of the guys looked exactly the same once they hit 1.5 and higher. Thus, is why I would say do not drop below 1.5 grams protein per pound of body. We saw NO ONE get better results below the 1.5 mark. This was done while not cycling because we wanted the most accurate results.

And once we figured out more protein is better (Without steroid use) is it obviously clear that when you are on a cycle your body increase its ability for protein synthesis. So obviously we would go even higher while cycling. That is why on a cycle I will not drop below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

As for going below 1 gram protein per pound of body, that is just ridiculous. I was even embarrassed to start off at 1 gram protein per pound of body weight but wanted to include it into the mix just to see how bad it would be.

PEOPLE ALSO THOUGHT THE WORLD WAS SQUARE, BUT REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE OVERWHELMING TENDS TO FIND MORE TRUTH. IF YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU ALWAYS GET THE SAME RESULTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN OBVIOUSLY THAT ANSWER IS THE CORRECT ANSWER.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO WHY DRUG COMPANIES MUST COMPLETE HUMAN DRUG TRIALS BEFORE GOING TO MARKET. THEY CAN THINK ALL THEY WANT BUT UNTIL IT IS PUT TO REAL USE NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THEN FROM THAT YOU GET STATISTICS AND SEE WHAT WORKS A MAJORITY OF THE TIME. I'VE DONE THE STATS, WITH OVER AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND HAVE ALL HAD BEST RESULTS 1.5 AND HIGHER.

[gbrice75]

This sounds like complete crap to me. In most cases, this wouldn't even be the equivalent of what the RDA is, which is already INSANELY low.

I agree for the most part with Cal on 1.5 being optimal in most cases for BBers, however I always make this calculation of 1.5g/lb of LBM, not total bodyweight. We do not take into account inactive mass (fat) when calculating nutritional needs. On the flip side, these guys preaching 3g/lb are just as insane as this idiot preaching 10%.

[Twist]

No doubt thats true, no doubt. I was one of those guys in my earlier years. I use to horse down everything, drink beer, eat pizza and I would always stay lean and gain muscle. But still the fact remains that even though you can have a horrible diet and get away with it, they would see even BETTER results if they practiced proper diet.

Well like I said, I've proven to myself and so have many many people around me proved that 1.5 and higher will create the most optimal results. When you have 20 or more people and they all get the same results I could really care less what science or anyone has to say because I have seen it work first hand. And thats actually EXACTLY what we did. We started off at 1 gram protein per pound of weight and did for 10 weeks, then same did the same exact thing and increased by .25 until we reached 2 grams protein per pound of bodyweight.

Everyone had the best results around 1.75-2 grams protein per pound body weight. A couple of the guys looked exactly the same once they hit 1.5 and higher. Thus, is why I would say do not drop below 1.5 grams protein per pound of body. We saw NO ONE get better results below the 1.5 mark. This was done while not cycling because we wanted the most accurate results.

And once we figured out more protein is better (Without steroid use ) is it obviously clear that when you are on a cycle your body increase its ability for protein synthesis. So obviously we would go even higher while cycling. That is why on a cycle I will not drop below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

As for going below 1 gram protein per pound of body, that is just ridiculous. I was even embarrassed to start off at 1 gram protein per pound of body weight but wanted to include it into the mix just to see how bad it would be.

PEOPLE ALSO THOUGHT THE WORLD WAS SQUARE, BUT REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE OVERWHELMING TENDS TO FIND MORE TRUTH. IF YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU ALWAYS GET THE SAME RESULTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN OBVIOUSLY THAT ANSWER IS THE CORRECT ANSWER. The world was discovered to be round with science, not real world experience...

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO WHY DRUG COMPANIES MUST COMPLETE HUMAN DRUG TRIALS BEFORE GOING TO MARKET. THEY CAN THINK ALL THEY WANT BUT UNTIL IT IS PUT TO REAL USE NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THEN FROM THAT YOU GET STATISTICS AND SEE WHAT WORKS A MAJORITY OF THE TIME. I'VE DONE THE STATS, WITH OVER AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND HAVE ALL HAD BEST RESULTS 1.5 AND HIGHER.

Nobody on this board is gonna argue with you about this bro. I agree 1minimum, 1.5 good, 2 a little much but who cares because its not gonna do any harm. But if you take me for example, I need about 4k cals to gain weight. I am 173ish. At the 1.5g per pound of bodyweight (including fat) I need about 1000 cals from protein. This is 25%. Most of my diet should be carbs. So if someone of my weight and metabolism were to have to consume 8k cals (Phelps comes to mind), even with a protein intake of 1.5g per lb of bw, the protein consumption would be about 12.5%. But baring these extremely unusual cases, low protein intake (in regards to % of total calorie consumption), is not recommended.

Seriously though don't even bother trying to say that you did some sort of a clinical trial with 50 of your friends. Lol.

[calstate23]

Nobody on this board is gonna argue with you about this bro. I agree 1minimum, 1.5 good, 2 a little much but who cares because its not gonna do any harm. But if you take me for example, I need about 4k cals to gain weight. I am 173ish. At the 1.5g per pound of bodyweight (including fat) I need about 1000 cals from protein. This is 25%. Most of my diet should be carbs. So if someone of my weight and metabolism were to have to consume 8k cals (Phelps comes to mind), even with a protein intake of 1.5g per lb of bw, the protein consumption would be about 12.5%. But baring these extremely unusual cases, low protein intake (in regards to % of total calorie consumption), is not recommended.



Seriously though don't even bother trying to say that you did some sort of a clinical trial with 50 of your friends. Lol.

I'm not saying I literally took 50 people and did some CLINICAL TRIAL. I'm saying that over my years of training I have personally worked with people adjusting their protein intakes. Over the course of probably 10 years I have seen the results over and over again testing with different protein intakes. There have been times where it has been workout partners and we've tested out the adjustments together...And I have also done this with friends, family, and clients.

As for protein, it's not as important what percentage the protein is of your whole total caloric intake but how much protein someone is taking in per pound body weight. For instance, if someone weighed 175 and took in 306.25 grams protein and had an overall calorie intake of 3000 and another person weighing 175 took in the same amount of protein 306.25 but ate 6000 calories the percentages of protein per total caloric intake doesn't matter.

They both benefited the same from that amount of protein because our bodies can only use so much. Although they may have had different caloric intakes and the percentages of protein per total caloric intake was different, this is still the optimal amount of protein for both people and they will benefit the same from that amount. The only thing that will effect them differently is their carb and fat intake.

This is why percentages of protein for total caloric intake is pretty pointless. You have to look at it through protein per pound of body weight. As long as they are getting in 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound bodyweight they will ALWAYS BE IN THE OPTIMAL RANGE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TOTAL CALORIC INTAKE IS

[tbody66]

No doubt thats true, no doubt. I was one of those guys in my earlier years. I use to horse down everything, drink beer, eat pizza and I would always stay lean and gain muscle. But still the fact remains that even though you can have a horrible diet and get away with it, they would see even BETTER results if they practiced proper diet.

Well like I said, I've proven to myself and so have many many people around me proved that 1.5 and higher will create the most optimal results. When you have 20 or more people and they all get the same results I could really care less what science or anyone has to say because I have seen it work first hand. And thats actually EXACTLY what we did. We started off at 1 gram protein per pound of weight and did for 10 weeks, then same did the same exact thing and increased by .25 until we reached 2 grams protein per pound of bodyweight.

Everyone had the best results around 1.75-2 grams protein per pound body weight. A couple of the guys looked exactly the same once they hit 1.5 and higher. Thus, is why I would say do not drop below 1.5 grams protein per pound of body. We saw NO ONE get better results below the 1.5 mark. This was done while not cycling because we wanted the most accurate results.

And once we figured out more protein is better (Without steroid use ) is it obviously clear that when you are on a cycle your body increase its ability for protein synthesis. So obviously we would go even higher while cycling. That is why on a cycle I will not drop below 2 grams protein per pound body weight.

As for going below 1 gram protein per pound of body, that is just ridiculous. I was even embarrassed to start off at 1 gram protein per pound of body weight but wanted to include it into the mix just to see how bad it would be.

PEOPLE ALSO THOUGHT THE WORLD WAS SQUARE, BUT REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE OVERWHELMING TENDS TO FIND MORE TRUTH. IF YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU ALWAYS GET THE SAME RESULTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN OBVIOUSLY THAT ANSWER IS THE CORRECT ANSWER.

PERFECT EXAMPLE TO WHY DRUG COMPANIES MUST COMPLETE HUMAN DRUG TRIALS BEFORE GOING TO MARKET. THEY CAN THINK ALL THEY WANT BUT UNTIL IT IS PUT TO REAL USE NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THEN FROM THAT YOU GET STATISTICS AND SEE WHAT WORKS A MAJORITY OF THE TIME. I'VE DONE THE STATS, WITH OVER AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND HAVE ALL HAD BEST RESULTS 1.5 AND HIGHER.

How come every time you post you have to post seven times defending your post because knowledgable people with factual life experience question your fiction? I love when you say, "I care less what science has to say, because I'm an arrogant know-it-all" I have so many problems with the entirety of your statement. I would wager that you have not ever in your life stuck with a good diet for a whole week let alone performed the above described "study". It's funny that your fictional study is along the almost identical lines as to what I told you to say, you not only write fiction, you plagiarize it.

I really tried to just let it go, trusting that people don't have to be very smart to know better than to listen to anything you have to say and hoping that the mods will soon get involved and ban you, but I couldn't. It's because of people like you that I became a trainer. I would see kids join the gym, watch you with terrible form on every lift, terrible diet, being rude and disrespectful and bullying people, then they'd imitate you because you had a nice build, they'd listen to the stupid things you'd say and buy a bunch of supplements, 90 days later they were sore, smaller, broke and disheartened. I'd see these guys later and ask why they didn't lift anymore and they'd say "weight lifting" just didn't work for me.

Every time you post anywhere I've asked you to post your resume' and you never do so, but with each post you give yourself better credentials. Interesting that now you have worked with several people to dial in their protein intake, and even worked with "friends, family and clients". You never ever ever said you were a trainer, despite being questioned constantly about your experience. You have said you started using steroids when you were 17 and are now 26. I'm certain that you have not been off cycle long enough to perform any 10 week study to see how your body responds to .25 gram adjustments in protein intake per pound of bodyweight for multiple 10 week studies. You are a proven short-cutter and the only advice you probably ever gave anyone in person was walking up to someone properly performing bench press and telling them how they need to bounce the weight off their chest, arch their back and lift their butt off the bench like you do when you max out with your bodyweight.

I'm mostly afraid that you are going to hide in the AR lounge, get your post count up to a few hundred and then newbies will come online and think that you must know what your talking about and follow some of your inane, ridiculous un-substantiated garbage and get seriously damaged.

Here is one of my favorite quotes of yours from another thread:

"I asked for one question idiot.....To get my test levels at a low enough range for a script...I'm 26 and I already have 2 friends that both have their script..The doc they got their script from has already retired and they have no clue what their levels had to be at...

I did not ask for help about training, cycles, or any of that shit. I asked for one question,
" What do my test levels need to be at to get a script"....

I can 100% guarantee I have more training experience and cycle experience than you...I am not a doctor and I don't know what the free test range is...It was a simple question bro, the only person that should be giving advice would be from me to you.

When you get over 225 at 6% let me know and than maybe we'll talk...if you want proof let me know...I'll be glad to show. And then, when YOU want some advice, I'll think about it. "

[tbody66]

This gets better all the time, the above quote from another thread was posted on 6/13/2010, where you said you were 26, 225lbs at 6% bf.

You have not had any personal information on your homepage until today and it reads:

I'm 31 started lifting when I was 14, so I have quite a few years experience under my belt. I've entered 3 comps since I first started. Two 1st place and one 4th place. Plan to do another comp within the next year
Occupation Sales
Height 5'10"
Weight 205
Body Fat % Float around 5-10%
Training Experience 17.

You're a joke.

[calstate23]

How come every time you post you have to post seven times defending your post because knowledgable people with factual life experience question your fiction? I love when you say, "I care less what science has to say, because I'm an arrogant know-it-all" I have so many problems with the entirety of your statement. I would wager that you have not ever in your life stuck with a good diet for a whole week let alone performed the above described "study". It's funny that your fictional study is along the almost identical lines as to what I told you to say, you not only write fiction, you plagiarize it.

I really tried to just let it go, trusting that people don't have to be very smart to know better than to listen to anything you have to say and hoping that the mods will soon get involved and ban you, but I couldn't. It's because of people like you that I became a trainer. I would see kids join the gym, watch you with terrible form on every lift, terrible diet, being rude and disrespectful and bullying people, then they'd imitate you because you had a nice build, they'd listen to the stupid things you'd say and buy a bunch of supplements, 90 days later they were sore, smaller, broke and disheartened. I'd see these guys later and ask why they didn't lift anymore and they'd say "weight lifting" just didn't work for me.

Every time you post anywhere I've asked you to post your resume' and you never do so, but with each post you give yourself better credentials. Interesting that now you have worked with several people to dial in their protein intake, and even worked with "friends, family and clients". You never ever ever said you were a trainer, despite being questioned constantly about your experience. You have said you started using steroids when you were 17 and are now 26. I'm certain that you have not been off cycle long enough to perform any 10 week study to see how your body responds to .25 gram adjustments in protein intake per pound of bodyweight for multiple 10 week studies. You are a proven short-cutter and the only advice you probably ever gave anyone in person was walking up to someone properly performing bench press and telling them how they need to bounce the weight off their chest, arch their back and lift their butt off the bench like you do when you max out with your bodyweight.

I'm mostly afraid that you are going to hide in the AR lounge, get your post count up to a few hundred and then newbies will come online and think that you must know what your talking about and follow some of your inane, ridiculous un-substantiated garbage and get seriously damaged.

Here is one of my favorite quotes of yours from another thread:

"I asked for one question idiot.....To get my test levels at a low enough range for a script...I'm 26 and I already have 2 friends that both have their script..The doc they got their script from has already retired and they have no clue what their levels had to be at...

I did not ask for help about training, cycles, or any of that shit. I asked for one question,
" What do my test levels need to be at to get a script"....

I can 100% guarantee I have more training experience and cycle experience than you...I am not a doctor and I don't know what the free test range is...It was a simple question bro, the only person that should be giving advice would be from me to you.

When you get over 225 at 6% let me know and than maybe we'll talk...if you want proof let me know...I'll be glad to show. And then, when YOU want some advice, I'll think about it. "

Man, it is seriously getting annoying to have to fu*kin tell you over and over again this is not my fu*cking account. What do you not understand about that?

And why are you all over my case? Are you that jealous?

Actually no one really disagreed with my statement above I just posted my views after they made a statement. As you will see brice mentioned he agreed with most of what I said. So what is your point? Why are you making things up?

I am not a "certified" trainer. I never wanted to be a trainer but obviously I have people coming up and asking me for advice. Family members I set up on diets for free and people who I don't know and are willing to pay I would charge them a fee. So yes, I would have clients.

Besides, can you tell me what is soo wrong with any of my statements in my last post? What is so crazy, wrong, and off the wall about any of it?

It's legit sh!t my brotha. Like I said look at your picture and look at mine. Why are you telling me I don't know what I'm talking about? I don't care what someone THINKS they know. If they do not have correct practices they would never ever come close to looking like me.

[tbody66]

Man, it is seriously getting annoying to have to fu*kin tell you over and over again this is not my fu*cking account. What do you not understand about that?

And why are you all over my case? Are you that jealous?

Actually no one really disagreed with my statement above I just posted my views after they made a statement. As you will see brice mentioned he agreed with most of what I said. So what is your point? Why are you making things up?

I am not a "certified" trainer. I never wanted to be a trainer but obviously I have people coming up and asking me for advice. Family members I set up on diets for free and people who I don't know and are willing to pay I would charge them a fee. So yes, I would have clients.

Besides, can you tell me what is soo wrong with any of my statements in my last post? What is so crazy, wrong, and off the wall about any of it?

It's legit sh!t my brotha. Like I said look at your picture and look at mine. Why are you telling me I don't know what I'm talking about? I don't care what someone THINKS they know. If they do not have correct practices they would never ever come close to looking like me.

Nothing about you is real, why would it be you in the pic if it isn't your account, also when your "brother" opened the account he gave different ages and height and weight, the posts from this year are yours and you keep changing your story. The problem with all of your posts is you leave no room for differing opinions and when you post things as "black and white" based on your "extensive" personal experience without any validation you lead people down possibly harmful paths. Go take some pics right now and post em' up, not some from two years ago, or how about some from those "shows" you competed in and took 1st, or hey, even the one you took 4th in.

Just make sure you post pictures of the same person each time you cut and paste, faker, change your name to cal"mis-state" 23errr...26errrr...I mean31.

[scotty51312]

Wow, how did i miss this thread? I did workout with a guy who's diet was similar to that rediculous split, He was a comptetitive marathon runner, this guy probably ate close to 200g's protien a day and 800g in carbs he told me the exact macro's once my thoughts were along the lines of "that much carbs would put me in a diabetic coma" It still wasn't 10% protien in the low 20's. But when you're burning through 2kcals a day just training, it seems suitable to that kind of athletes needs.

[tbody66]

I don't think any bodybuilder would agree with this sort of diet.

[Twist]

Let's keep it clean in here fellas. Calstate if this is not your account, I am pretty sure that is breaking some rule. You should start your own account and use correct information all the time. Idk what the deal is but some info coming from Calstate is correct, some is clearly embellished. I know nothing of past posts but this thread is useless.

Simply put, in a way that everyone has already agreed to, there is no need for a split like the above unless you are in a rare situation that you need to take in tons and tons of carbs, making the protein intake adequate, but still low as far as a percentage of total caloric intake for the day (wow what a run on sentence).

[gbrice75]

^^^ comma's much? =)

[tbody66]

I find myself doing that alot on here!