I wanted to start this thread as a place to openly discuss both of these bodybuilding frustrations. What are the signs of each? No progress could be an indication of either, so how can you really tell if you're doing too much, or too little?

I'll start - most splits I see these days have you training each muscle group 1x a week. IMHO, 6 days rest is just too much, at least for me. I feel like i'm gtg after 3 days rest - i.e. workout Monday, same workout on Friday.

I know people will tell me that I must not be working hard enough/with enough intensity, or "do a leg workout with me and see if you still say that" but I can tell you I workout pretty damn hard and it's always the same.

HOWEVER - I have done 1x a week, 2x a week, high volume, lower volume, etc. and really haven't noticed much of a difference either way. Point being is that I don't ever see much development - so, I could be overtraining or undertraining (or something else completely) - and I really am stuck on which.

So what are some signs that are NOT the same?