How's this cutting diet?

**lordworm88** · 08-16-2011, 06:00 PM

Meal 1 - Liquid egg whites 2 cups, 1/2 cup of oats, 1 fish oil pill
Carb: 37, Fat: 4, Protein: 55

Meal 2 - 8 oz chicken breast, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 1 cup of broccoli
Carb: 13, Fat: 23, Protein: 53

Meal 3 - same as meal 2

Post workout dark matter 2 scoops - Carb: 48, Fat: 0, Protein: 12

Meal 4 - 4 oz of tuna in olive oil, 1 cup of broccoli
Carb: 6, Fat: 14, Protein: 31

Meal 5 - 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp peanut butter
Carb: 12, Fat: 16, Protein: 24

Meal 6 - 2 scoops of casein protein
Carb: 6, Fat: 1, Protein: 48

Totals with post workout - Carbs: 135, Fat: 81, Protein: 223

Totals without post workout - Carbs: 87, Fat: 81, Protein: 211

Everyday I have about the same thing, or something extremely similar. Macros are usually the same everyday.

So far 3 weeks, 0 results lol...

**lordworm88** · 08-16-2011, 06:02 PM

Oh, almost forgot. Stats - Age: 23, BF% 16, weight: 181.5 lbs, height: 5'9.

**gbrice75** · 08-16-2011, 08:07 PM

Gotta get to bed, super tired. Keeping this bumped for scrutiny tomorrow.

**lordworm88** · 08-16-2011, 11:37 PM

bump as well

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 12:00 PM

What are the total calories for the day? I'm too lazy to do the math here.

At a glance, it's not bad but the fat has to come down IMO. No need for 4tbsp of PB throughout the day.

**RaginCajun** · 08-17-2011, 12:59 PM

i was thinking that also GB. and, in your pre-workout meal, you have PB (fats) and zero complex carbs. you may want to try some brown rice, sweet pot, or oats in meal 3 instead of the PB. that changes should help some. and i think your numbers are off some, only 12g protein in your pwo meal?

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 02:36 PM

^^ good catches bro. TBH I didn't look at individual numbers, only the totals.

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 03:29 PM

2701 calories with post workout, I'll drop some of the fats then, but I'll be hungrier now lol. The post workout drink supposedly comes up to a total of 80 carbs and 40 protein with all the amino acids and the dextrose according to the guy at the fitness store.

**RaginCajun** · 08-17-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by lordworm88

2701 calories with post workout, I'll drop some of the fats then, but I'll be hungrier now lol. The post workout drink supposedly comes up to a total of 80 carbs and 40 protein with all the amino acids and the dextrose according to the guy at the fitness store.

read the back label. that is a lot of carbs! that alone comes out to 480 cals and you didn't say how many fats (9 cals per gram).

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 04:51 PM

It doesn't have any fats. I read in an article here that post workout carbs should be double the protein, so 40 protein for 80 carbs seems fair.

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by lordworm88

It doesn't have any fats. I read in an article here that post workout carbs should be double the protein, so 40 protein for 80 carbs seems fair.

Complete rubbish. That may be fine for some people but it's certainly no 'magical ratio'. Don't believe everything you read, except for when I write it, lmao! (jk, of course)

Can you link us to the post you got this info from?

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 05:11 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TkxKHm_MpJU

Where it says "the BASICS". If anything I can have 1 scoop and a half or something lol.

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 05:34 PM

I just posted the link and it said it has to be reviewd by a moderator. Either way it's the "unofficial cutting thread" sticky in this forum, first paragraph where it says "the BASICS"

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by lordworm88

I just posted the link and it said it has to be reviewd by a moderator. Either way it's the "unofficial cutting thread" sticky in this forum, first paragraph where it says "the BASICS"

Ugh, apologies on behalf of the board. The sticky's are admittedly outdated and we are in the process of updating them.

Good thing you started a thread - that's why we're here, to help you sort things out and/or give another opinion.

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 06:23 PM

Should I take something else post workout?

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 06:53 PM

I personally do very well with a close to 50/50 protein/carb split - complex carbs at that.

Doesn't mean it's the 'right' way, we're all different and as such our bodies will react differently.

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 07:22 PM

So what I'm taking right now has too many carbs?

**gbrice75** · 08-17-2011, 07:44 PM

You mentioned 80g carbs - IMO that's way too much on a cutting diet.

**falco21** · 08-17-2011, 08:00 PM

Gbrice - You mentioned your in the process of updating the "Cutting Diet" sticky. Do you know around when that will be done? I am currently following that diet but now I am concerned

**lordworm88** · 08-17-2011, 09:53 PM

Oh, my mistake, it's actually 60 carbs not 80. Is the rest of my diet good?

**RaginCajun** · 08-18-2011, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by lordworm88

Meal 1 - Liquid egg whites 2 cups, 1/2 cup of oats, 1 fish oil pill
Carb: 37, Fat: 4, Protein: 55 good meal!

Meal 2 - 8 oz chicken breast, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 1 cup of broccoli
Carb: 13, Fat: 23, Protein: 53 take out the PB

Meal 3 - same as meal 2 take out the PB and add some oats or sweet pot. you need some carbs before working out

Post workout dark matter 2 scoops - Carb: 48, Fat: 0, Protein: 12 just do one scoop (is it 20g protein, 40g carb? = 240 cals)

Meal 4 - 4 oz of tuna in olive oil, 1 cup of broccoli good meal
Carb: 6, Fat: 14, Protein: 31

Meal 5 - 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp peanut butter i would make this meal 6, and make meal 5 like meal 2 (maybe sub 2 cup baby spinach for broccoli)
Carb: 12, Fat: 16, Protein: 24

Meal 6 - 2 scoops of casein protein i would do meal 5 here
Carb: 6, Fat: 1, Protein: 48

Totals with post workout - Carbs: 135, Fat: 81, Protein: 223

Totals without post workout - Carbs: 87, Fat: 81, Protein: 211

Everyday I have about the same thing, or something extremely similar. Macros are usually the same everyday.

So far 3 weeks, 0 results lol...

the changes i made are in bold. the pros might make some changes but this is what i suggest. add up the cals/macros again for what i suggested. 2701 cals is high for a cutting diet unless you are a really active individual. i would want to see your cals around 2100 and it maybe with the changes i made. the peanut butter that you use, is it just peanuts? or does it have other crap in it? hope this helps some! and doing some fasted cardio with some BCAA/EAA for about 20-30 min 4-5x a week will help as well.

**gbrice75** · 08-18-2011, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by falco21

Gbrice - You mentioned your in the process of updating the "Cutting Diet" sticky. Do you know around when that will be done? I am currently following that diet but now I am concerned

No ETA at the moment, but I am going to make it a priority.

If you're concerned with what you're doing, start a thread so you can get help with your specific diet. Personally, I would never follow a pre-planned diet. i.e. learn from an example diet, but tailor it to fit your direction and needs.

**RaginCajun** · 08-18-2011, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

No ETA at the moment, but I am going to make it a priority.

If you're concerned with what you're doing, start a thread so you can get help with your specific diet. Personally, I would never follow a pre-planned diet. i.e. learn from an example diet, but tailor it to fit your direction and needs.

GB, what do you think about the suggestions i proposed to him?

**lordworm88** · 08-18-2011, 10:14 PM

Ok, yeah, I cut some of the peanut butter, yes it's natural peanut butter, though I've heard it doesn't really matter. Anyway the post workout shake is 40 protein and 60 carbs.

**lordworm88** · 08-18-2011, 10:15 PM

Oh and on my non workout days meal 3 can be without carb source right? Since I'm not working out I can cut the brown rice on that meal.

**RaginCajun** · 08-19-2011, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by lordworm88

Ok, yeah, I cut some of the peanut butter, yes it's natural peanut butter, though I've heard it doesn't really matter. Anyway the post workout shake is 40 protein and 60 carbs.

yes it matters. read the ingredients label on regular peanut butter and one the is just ground peanuts. waaaaaaay different my friend. regular PB has sugar and all other chems/preservatives in it. just take a peak!

[/QUOTE] Oh and on my non workout days meal 3 can be without carb source right? Since I'm not working out I can cut the brown rice on that meal.[/QUOTE]

try that and see how your body reacts, but i like that suggestion.

**gbrice75** · 08-19-2011, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00

GB, what do you think about the suggestions i proposed to him?

I like them. I'd also remove the PB; we all know NOBODY is eating 2tbsp when they say 2tbsp - more like as much PB as you can get ON a tbsp. For cutting, i'd remove all additional fats (i.e. get only fats that come by default from the foods you eat - eggs, beef, etc) and only supplement with fish oils.

As RJ said, it absolutely makes a difference (natty PB vs. regular) - the regular stuff has additional sugar, oils, etc. It all comes down to how clean you care to make your diet.

**lordworm88** · 08-20-2011, 04:13 AM

Well, I say 2 tbsp because I actually do 2 teaspoons. So I assume whatever I can fit in the teaspoon would be more or less around 1 tbsp. Well, either way I cut some of it, but I've read up that getting your essential fatty acids is important for cutting, and it helps with the hunger.