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    Trying to eat less fat and carbs and doing more cardio at the same time, as far as supplement anyone ever try D4 thermal shock by Cellucor?

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    Cellucor makes good products, I use c4 extreme I think its a great product, I was thinking of trying there d4 fat burner or high def one.

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    If this is a supplement question you should post it in the supplement section!
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    Agreed^^^^

    Remember OP, less fat & carbs can good or bad. Utilize these 2 macronutrients in a way to benefit you! Fat and carbs are NOT the enemy!

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    Oh forgot to add input on the supp. I've heard good reviews on the company although never tried the supplement either. Not a big fan of oTC thermogenic/sympathommetics or any fat loss agents. But pure ephedrine/albuterol are solid as they come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metatron View Post
    Trying to eat less fat
    Not all fat are created equal. Reduce saturated fats.

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    and carbs
    Eat low GI carbs and cut high GI carbs from your diet.

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    and doing more cardio at the same time
    Fasted cardio always worked best for me. I'd recommend it.

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    as far as supplement anyone ever try D4 thermal shock by Cellucor?
    Wouldn't bother with it.
    As mentioned; ECA, Clen or Albute would all do a superior job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM
    If this is a supplement question you should post it in the supplement section!
    It's a question about both I think!
    Last edited by Metatron; 07-15-2012 at 06:44 AM.

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    cutting carbs and fats is good, but cutting the bad carbs and fats, so switching from simple to more complex, and better fats like fish oils, avocados cashews. Instead of just eating like fatty peanut butter and other high trans fatty foods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metatron View Post
    cutting carbs and fats is good, but cutting the bad carbs and fats, so switching from simple to more complex, and better fats like fish oils, avocados cashews. Instead of just eating like fatty peanut butter and other high trans fatty foods
    Was that a question, or statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymsoldier

    Was that a question, or statement?
    Statement, meant to say what I was doing like not cutting out carbs and fats completely just eating better carbs and fats

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    How about you give us your stats and diet breakdown. No point supplementing with far burners if your diet is out of whack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM
    How about you give us your stats and diet breakdown. No point supplementing with far burners if your diet is out of whack.
    Sure thing stats
    5'9
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    Probably 12% bf

    Let me put my diet down on a worksheet and I'll work out the macros for you

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