Wheat bread and lactose

**jaswave125** · 04-17-2013, 01:56 AM

As mentioned above would you guys stay away from wheat products and lactose when cutting?

I have some wheat bread that look good on stats nut fact indicates it has only 2g of sugars every 100g of wheat bread.

How about milk? It a great way to get my macros but does it hinder gains? I love drinking milk. I drink it 4x a day so thats 1liter a day. To much? And yes it has sugar 12g every 250ml but its lactose and it has a lower gi value.

Just need opinions thanks!!

**ksingh93** · 04-17-2013, 02:15 AM

it depends on your body some can do cutting on milk nd some have to cut out dairy. wheat bread is good as postworkout go for wholle grain instead of wheat bread or go for 100% whole wheat bread and if it fits in your macros go for it

**Turkish Juicer** · 04-17-2013, 02:58 AM

Halting the consumption of milk and all dairy is a must when cutting for me and for the majority, especially when cutting hard...

I am not sure about what you mean by ''would milk hinder gains?''. Why would it? On the contrary, milk is great for bulking.

Regarding bread, it really depends on how your body responds to it as well as whether you are properly fitting it to your macros. You still need carbs when cutting, even the keto diet, which is possibly the most hardcore diet for cutting, you ought to consume carbs during your cheat day.

**baseline_9** · 04-17-2013, 03:05 AM

You don't have to cut out any foods while dieting IMO.... Just practice moderation...

Drinking 1 litre of milk is a bit excessive however.... But whatever...

The most important thing is your consistency with your macronutrient intake.... Make sensible food choices, get in at least 25g of fibre, 2 portions of fruit and 2 portions of greens and then fill the rest in with whatever....

People who say that a food source must be cut out because it (for example) raises insulin need to look at the bigger picture... Insulin is a storage hormone... When your in a calorie deficit there is more energy being burned than consumed... So insulin can store whatever the **** you give it but at the end of the day your still burning more than it can store...

**auswest** · 04-17-2013, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

You don't have to cut out any foods while dieting IMO.... Just practice moderation...

Drinking 1 litre of milk is a bit excessive however.... But whatever...

The most important thing is your consistency with your macronutrient intake.... Make sensible food choices, get in at least 25g of fibre, 2 portions of fruit and 2 portions of greens and then fill the rest in with whatever....

People who say that a food source must be cut out because it (for example) raises insulin need to look at the bigger picture... Insulin is a storage hormone... When your in a calorie deficit there is more energy being burned than consumed... So insulin can store whatever the **** you give it but at the end of the day your still burning more than it can store...

Totally agree, this is my view on dieting and works fine for me.

**951thompson** · 04-17-2013, 06:16 AM

It your going to drink milk, do it around training, post workout or pre workout, because milk spikes insulin , around training is when you want to be spiking insulin. the insulin spike will drive nutrients into your depleted muscles (post workout). Insulin is a very anabolic hormone so having it present around training is a good idea imo.There's good nutrients in milk. Wholemeal bread (high fibre bread, 2g fibre per slice) is fine imo, it's low ish GI.I eat it, if you are not gluten intolerant, I believe high fibre bread is fine.

**951thompson** · 04-17-2013, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by 951thompson

It your going to drink milk, do it around training, post workout or pre workout, because milk spikes insulin, around training is when you want to be spiking insulin. the insulin spike will drive nutrients into your depleted muscles (post workout). Insulin is a very anabolic hormone so having it present around training is a good idea imo.There's good nutrients in milk. Wholemeal bread (high fibre bread, 2g fibre per slice) is fine imo, it's low ish GI.I eat it, if you are not gluten intolerant, I believe high fibre bread is fine.

Also I would also like to add in the defence of bread, if you are eating bread as a sandwich with fats and protein, the fat and the protein slow down digestion making the meal low GI, tho high fibre bread isnt that high GI anyway.

**austinite** · 04-17-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

You don't have to cut out any foods while dieting IMO.... Just practice moderation...

Drinking 1 litre of milk is a bit excessive however.... But whatever...

The most important thing is your consistency with your macronutrient intake.... Make sensible food choices, get in at least 25g of fibre, 2 portions of fruit and 2 portions of greens and then fill the rest in with whatever....

People who say that a food source must be cut out because it (for example) raises insulin need to look at the bigger picture... Insulin is a storage hormone... When your in a calorie deficit there is more energy being burned than consumed... So insulin can store whatever the **** you give it but at the end of the day your still burning more than it can store...

what? lol, did you just say that? I thought food choices dont matter!

I'm just messing around. I know that's not what you meant

**auswest** · 04-17-2013, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by 951thompson

It your going to drink milk, do it around training, post workout or pre workout, because milk spikes insulin, around training is when you want to be spiking insulin. the insulin spike will drive nutrients into your depleted muscles (post workout). Insulin is a very anabolic hormone so having it present around training is a good idea imo.There's good nutrients in milk. Wholemeal bread (high fibre bread, 2g fibre per slice) is fine imo, it's low ish GI.I eat it, if you are not gluten intolerant, I believe high fibre bread is fine.

Milk has a low gi rating FYI

**jaswave125** · 04-17-2013, 07:15 AM

Thanks for all the information guys! Im going to dial in my diet nxt month im in india ryt now so cant really keep a good diet food here is very expensive and hard to find meat. Im learning a lot

**951thompson** · 04-17-2013, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by auswest

Milk has a low gi rating FYI

Yeah milk is low GI, but lactose spikes insulin pretty strong. Tbh I don't think the glycogenic index is a very accurate tool. Check out the insulin index.

**Turkish Juicer** · 04-17-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

People who say that a food source must be cut out because it (for example) raises insulin need to look at the bigger picture... Insulin is a storage hormone... When your in a calorie deficit there is more energy being burned than consumed... So insulin can store whatever the **** you give it but at the end of the day your still burning more than it can store...

Although I agree with the logic & science of this statement, the issue with dairy is not necessarily directly correlated to insulin when it comes to cutting and yet insisting on consuming milk & dairy. One obvious issue with lactose abundant milk & dairy that goes against the nature of cutting is the smooth & bloated look that it establishes especially when consumed generously. Lactose intolerance is an issue with more people than we would generally think of it and interesting enough, those who do not experience this intolerance on rather high levels -symptoms of lactose intolerance can be mild to severe, depending on how much lactase your body makes- are quite not aware of their issues. (I was 21 YO by the time I became fully aware of this issue. I had to stop consuming all dairy in order to get rid of the ''farm boy'' look. As of today, I am surrounded by many lifters who are incapable of establishing a correlation between their smooth & bloated look and their habituation of daily milk & dairy consumption.) Moreover, lactose is a form of CHO as we all already know, and people who do not have lactose intolerance but who happen to have high CHO sensitivity also typically suffer from the smooth & bloated look due to this. It just doesn't work for some people...

**Turkish Juicer** · 04-17-2013, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by 951thompson

Yeah milk is low GI, but lactose spikes insulin pretty strong. Tbh I don't think the glycogenic index is a very accurate tool. Check out the insulin index.

Excellent response.

Although milk is low GI, the abundance of protein fractures in milk is responsible for the insulin spike.

**baseline_9** · 04-17-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

Although I agree with the logic & science of this statement, the issue with dairy is not necessarily directly correlated to insulin when it comes to cutting and yet insisting on consuming milk & dairy. One obvious issue with lactose abundant milk & dairy that goes against the nature of cutting is the smooth & bloated look that it establishes especially when consumed generously. Lactose intolerance is an issue with more people than we would generally think of it and interesting enough, those who do not experience this intolerance on rather high levels -symptoms of lactose intolerance can be mild to severe, depending on how much lactase your body makes- are quite not aware of their issues. (I was 21 YO by the time I became fully aware of this issue. I had to stop consuming all dairy in order to get rid of the ''farm boy'' look. As of today, I am surrounded by many lifters who are incapable of establishing a correlation between their smooth & bloated look and their habituation of daily milk & dairy consumption.) Moreover, lactose is a form of CHO as we all already know, and people who do not have lactose intolerance but who happen to have high CHO sensitivity also typically suffer from the smooth & bloated look due to this. It just doesn't work for some people...

Yeh I wasn't only referring to milk(wheat bread more so in that post), more of a broad statement about 'not consuming a food'.....

I think this whole deal with being scared of insulin is blown out of proportion.....