110g protein, 150g fat, and 15g carbs - a keto diet?

[Rocky0019]

Hello guys
I am starting my fat loss schedule from today.
My height is 5'10' and weight is 198 pounds
approx 20% body fat.
I want to get to as low fat as possible in the shortest time possible as I am on vacation for 6 months and I want to transform my body in this time.

I am thinking of doing keto diet for first 3 months to cut the fat (hope I can cut to about 12% or less in this time)
My TDEE is about 2800 Cals (I Will workout 5 days a week Cardio+Weights)

will 110g protein+150g fat+15g carb diet be enough during this period?
it comes out to be roughly 1850 Cals

and is this type of diet a ketogenic diet?
what type of results should I expect on this diet in 3 months combined with 5 days a week exercise program?
thankyou

[Gaspaco]

Go to pharmacy and buy keto strips, pieces of papers that you pee on and they show you if u are in ketosis or not.

Prepare for no pumps in gym tho

[Rocky0019]

lol.... lets first lose the fat bro...we will care for the pumps after that

[Cody95]

Hello guys
I am starting my fat loss schedule from today.
My height is 5'10' and weight is 198 pounds
approx 20% body fat.
I want to get to as low fat as possible in the shortest time possible as I am on vacation for 6 months and I want to transform my body in this time.

I am thinking of doing keto diet for first 3 months to cut the fat (hope I can cut to about 12% or less in this time)
My TDEE is about 2800 Cals (I Will workout 5 days a week Cardio+Weights)

will 110g protein+150g fat+15g carb diet be enough during this period?
it comes out to be roughly 1850 Cals

and is this type of diet a ketogenic diet?
what type of results should I expect on this diet in 3 months combined with 5 days a week exercise program?
thankyou

110g protein, 150g fat...?? Am I missing something..

[Cody95]

Hello guys
I am starting my fat loss schedule from today.
My height is 5'10' and weight is 198 pounds
approx 20% body fat.
I want to get to as low fat as possible in the shortest time possible as I am on vacation for 6 months and I want to transform my body in this time.

I am thinking of doing keto diet for first 3 months to cut the fat (hope I can cut to about 12% or less in this time)
My TDEE is about 2800 Cals (I Will workout 5 days a week Cardio+Weights)

will 110g protein+150g fat+15g carb diet be enough during this period?
it comes out to be roughly 1850 Cals

and is this type of diet a ketogenic diet?
what type of results should I expect on this diet in 3 months combined with 5 days a week exercise program?
thankyou

Drop the fat, you need to be eating way more protein.

[Back In Black]

Read this, it should help enormously if keto is the way you wish to go.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Drop the fat, you need to be eating way more protein.

With all due respects he is attempting to go into carb depletion and will get his energy from fat and that IMHO is not the flaw it is the low amount of carbs even if you target 15 grams of carbs unless you really know what you are doing that many slip into your diet even trying not to ! Fat does not turn to fat carbs turn to fat and if he is training 5 or 6 days a week, doing cardio and calories are in line the fat IMHO would not be the issue ? Again the 15 grams of carbs will be hard to restrict and IMO you need more than that for energy . Just the proper carbs are important ! Fat has 9 calories a gram , carbs have 4 calories a gram & protein has 4 calories a gram and all calories are not created equal there are good carb cal and bad carb cals - So he will have to attempt and tweek ! As he see the carb goal is a professional nutritionist goal !

Just my thoughts and fat is not your enemy when you deplete your carbs your body starts using fat for energy and burns fat faster !

Merry Christmas to all

[Docd187123]

With all due respects he is attempting to go into carb depletion and will get his energy from fat and that IMHO is not the flaw it is the low amount of carbs even if you target 15 grams of carbs unless you really know what you are doing that many slip into your diet even trying not to ! Fat does not turn to fat carbs turn to fat and if he is training 5 or 6 days a week, doing cardio and calories are in line the fat IMHO would not be the issue ? Again the 15 grams of carbs will be hard to restrict and IMO you need more than that for energy . Just the proper carbs are important ! Fat has 9 calories a gram , carbs have 4 calories a gram & protein has 4 calories a gram and all calories are not created equal there are good carb cal and bad carb cals - So he will have to attempt and tweek ! As he see the carb goal is a professional nutritionist goal !

Just my thoughts and fat is not your enemy when you deplete your carbs your body starts using fat for energy and burns fat faster !

Merry Christmas to all

You have that backwards. Dietary Fat is automatically stored as body fat. It can then be burned off depending on energy needs and intake. Carbs are very rarely stored as fat but depending on energy needs and intake can lead to a surplus of calories which will then inhibit tapping into stored body fat as an energy source.

[PEWN]

sorry op I couldnt take your post serious.... if you are dropping carbs and raising fats then higher protein is needed to prevent muscle from leaving you.... and thats not bro science just facts... i suggest reading a little more and looking into things like palumbo diet or anabolic diet. Even if you dont run either one atleast you have a little more knowledge about nutrition...

[energizer bunny]

I would up the protein to 160 gram, up the carbs to 50 gram then lower if need be. get the rest of your cals from fat......roughly 115 grams.........

[SOL!D5NAK3]

i just do it like this and never counted my macros and i'm successful. eat as much as you want, but don't eat carbs.

you will lose fat and never will starve like this. hmmm the smell of eggs and butter in the morning i miss it.
i'm gonna do a keto diet again in one month before my cycle as a prime

[Cody95]

sorry op I couldnt take your post serious.... if you are dropping carbs and raising fats then higher protein is needed to prevent muscle from leaving you.... and thats not bro science just facts... i suggest reading a little more and looking into things like palumbo diet or anabolic diet. Even if you dont run either one atleast you have a little more knowledge about nutrition...

Now that's where I'm getting at. It doesn't make sense, he should be eating more protein vs fat.

[Cody95]

With all due respects he is attempting to go into carb depletion and will get his energy from fat and that IMHO is not the flaw it is the low amount of carbs even if you target 15 grams of carbs unless you really know what you are doing that many slip into your diet even trying not to ! Fat does not turn to fat carbs turn to fat and if he is training 5 or 6 days a week, doing cardio and calories are in line the fat IMHO would not be the issue ? Again the 15 grams of carbs will be hard to restrict and IMO you need more than that for energy . Just the proper carbs are important ! Fat has 9 calories a gram , carbs have 4 calories a gram & protein has 4 calories a gram and all calories are not created equal there are good carb cal and bad carb cals - So he will have to attempt and tweek ! As he see the carb goal is a professional nutritionist goal !

Just my thoughts and fat is not your enemy when you deplete your carbs your body starts using fat for energy and burns fat faster !

Merry Christmas to all

I understand what you're saying. Where I was getting at is not only the fact that he should be eating more protein in the first place to maintain the muscle he already has. He shouldn't by any means be eating more fat then protein, I just don't understand where he got that from. I know how detrimental low protein consumption will be on on muscle, he should lower his fat quite a bit and consume much more protein to maintain his muscle mass. I know your body uses fat as energy,so im not saying he should just stop eating fat, but he should atleast lower the ammount and focus on protein intake.Then again if he doesn't care about muscle and just wants to lose weight then I'm not much help.

[Buster Brown]

My feeling is more homework I'd needed after possibly revamping the plan. If he intends on training while in keto with that amount of protein I think he will sacrifice alot to get thin quick.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

You have that backwards. Dietary Fat is automatically stored as body fat. It can then be burned off depending on energy needs and intake. Carbs are very rarely stored as fat but depending on energy needs and intake can lead to a surplus of calories which will then inhibit tapping into stored body fat as an energy source.

Not really backwards ? I went from 268lbs down to 219lbs in 4 mths by doing basicly what the other poster stated eating the majority of my intake as protein and I meam like 50% to 60% and then 30% targeted fats and target no carbs and hope to keep tem below 20& of total intake and I was training hard and eating about 3000 to 3500 calories a day and loosing fat and gaining muscle ? Different goals for different objectivies objectivies ?

[Docd187123]

Not really backwards ? I went from 268lbs down to 219lbs in 4 mths by doing basicly what the other poster stated eating the majority of my intake as protein and I meam like 50% to 60% and then 30% targeted fats and target no carbs and hope to keep tem below 20& of total intake and I was training hard and eating about 3000 to 3500 calories a day and loosing fat and gaining muscle ? Different goals for different objectivies objectivies ?

Yes backwards. You went from 268 to 219 in 4months bc you ate in a calorie deficit while meeting minimal nutritional needs. Not bc you cut out carbs. Correlation does not equal causation.

[energizer bunny]

I understand what you're saying. Where I was getting at is not only the fact that he should be eating more protein in the first place to maintain the muscle he already has. He shouldn't by any means be eating more fat then protein, I just don't understand where he got that from. I know how detrimental low protein consumption will be on on muscle, he should lower his fat quite a bit and consume much more protein to maintain his muscle mass. I know your body uses fat as energy,so im not saying he should just stop eating fat, but he should atleast lower the ammount and focus on protein intake.Then again if he doesn't care about muscle and just wants to lose weight then I'm not much help.

He is wanting to do a ketogenic diet mate.........that is High fat, medium protein and low carb.....if he has higher protein then it is not a ketogenic diet......he needs enough protein to sustain his lean mass......figures vary but general consensus (at the time of writing lol) is between 0.8-1.5 grams per lb of lean mass.......

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Yes backwards. You went from 268 to 219 in 4months bc you ate in a calorie deficit while meeting minimal nutritional needs. Not bc you cut out carbs. Correlation does not equal causation.

Well OK, Merry Christmas if it will make you happy to say you are right lol ! You are right ! My reply was directed to the OP not you anyway ! Thank you for taking time to share your opinion with me ? I think I will stick with what I know works for me How much do you weight ? You think 3500 calories a day is a caloric defficit ?

[Docd187123]

Well OK, Merry Christmas if it will make you happy to say you are right lol ! You are right ! My reply was directed to the OP not you anyway !

If you wish to take it personal so be it. You are the one who stated dietary fats don't get stored as fat when this is as far possible from the truth. My replies were directed to giving information based on facts not folklore. Merry Christmas to you as well.

[Buster Brown]

If you wish to take it personal so be it. You are the one who stated dietary fats don't get stored as fat when this is as far possible from the truth. My replies were directed to giving information based on facts not folklore. Merry Christmas to you as well.

Hey guys......lets just let it go and pretend we had a few cold ones at a Christmas party and laughed it off. OP is the one who is truly going to suffer a bit on this diet......Merry Christmas to both you and be safe.

[RaginCajun]

Well OK, Merry Christmas if it will make you happy to say you are right lol ! You are right ! My reply was directed to the OP not you anyway ! Thank you for taking time to share your opinion with me ? I think I will stick with what I know works for me How much do you weight ? You think 3500 calories a day is a caloric defficit ?

and you wonder why you are having kidney problems

[energizer bunny]

Not really backwards ? I went from 268lbs down to 219lbs in 4 mths by doing basicly what the other poster stated eating the majority of my intake as protein and I meam like 50% to 60% and then 30% targeted fats and target no carbs and hope to keep tem below 20& of total intake and I was training hard and eating about 3000 to 3500 calories a day and loosing fat and gaining muscle ? Different goals for different objectivies objectivies ?

Honestly mate that is way to much protein.......you were eating between 375 and 525 grams of protein a day!!!....if it worked, it worked BUT you could of made hell of a lot easier on yourself......

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Ho, Ho, Merry Christmas have and have a great New Year LMAO ! As for me,! I am so grateful that so many people are so concerned for me ! Many thanks and be blessed !

[Times Roman]

Yes backwards. You went from 268 to 219 in 4months bc you ate in a calorie deficit while meeting minimal nutritional needs. Not bc you cut out carbs. Correlation does not equal causation.

sorry. I need to step in here.

I went on the Atkins and was losing a half a pound a day NOT in caloric deficit. This remained flat for two months, at which point I dropped 30 pounds.

I was, more or less, eating no carbs.

Dietary Fat does NOT automatically store as body fat.

Not really sure where you are googling all this from................?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

sorry. I need to step in here.

I went on the Atkins and was losing a half a pound a day NOT in caloric deficit. This remained flat for two months, at which point I dropped 30 pounds.

I was, more or less, eating no carbs.

Dietary Fat does NOT automatically store as body fat.

Not really sure where you are googling all this from................?

I thought no one with any credibility was ever going to post !
Very Merry Christmas and thanks !

I just let the abuse roll off ! I have been warned not to even stand my ground, from the powers that be ?

So all I do is be humble and do what I KNOW works and let the 20 somethings have fun

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Honestly mate that is way to much protein.......you were eating between 375 and 525 grams of protein a day!!!....if it worked, it worked BUT you could of made hell of a lot easier on yourself......

Just for the record from what I have learned from the senior pros on the forum is 1.5 grams of Protein for every lb of LEAN body mass @ 268lbs of 53yr old out of shape senior male. I figured Protein intake at 300 grams = 200lbs of lean body mass ? Drinking a protein shake anytime I had a sever hungar pain and filled in with fats and am complex carbs and pre and post miniumial carbs fruit or a 1/2 cup of noodels and avoided carbs and still got more than I wanted but excessive carbs that are not burned as energy will turn to fat !

If this were not true why would serious BB competitors go to near 0 carbs pre contest ? To lean out and be cut and dry ? But the everyday average athletic person needs a few carbs to carry on normal life ! IMHO the max to not have excess and turn to fat or maintain lean body appearance would be no more than a max of 40% carbs and also IMHO that would need to be a young man doing 2 a day and cardio ?

To note I am not a young man and I cannot personally research this so it is only my opinion ! But if I consummed 30% of my nutrition at the age of 55 in carbs i would get poofy and gain fat and that is not my goal even when bulking I only allow me to gain maybe 10 to 15 lbs. and follow with a Tren blast ! I again am not 30 and I am on TRT took 25 yrs off from w/o's and now there is all of this great info out there for young men so they do not make the stupid mistakes I did ! I am wrong on a lot of things and if it is proven I am I will admit it and even appologize ! But even tough I am learning you do not get to be 55 and not learn a little bit about a few things and your own body does not lie to you

1st pic is a little over a year ago and the 2nd is a mth ago and I am in compitition with no one except myself and myself is winning 55 234lbs and in a 33 waist jean so I may not win a comp but again I am a winner to myself

Pardon me I gotta go eat some bacon and a protein shake and then in about an hour and a half eat an apple and go to the gym See Ya !

lol , I resemble those snid comments ! I had just been ran over by a truck a year or so earlier and had been in and out of surgery and on all kinds of pain meds and muscle relxors ! Not even a couch potato I was bed ridden ! It really sucked my body was fkd and so was my mind ! Some will debate if my mind has healed properly but if you have to ask ? You would not understand if I tried to explain ! I am here and alive and that in it's self is in defiance of everything 3 Dr. told me

[Buster Brown]

Just for the record from what I have learned from the senior pros on the forum is 1.5 grams of Protein for every lb of LEAN body mass @ 268lbs of 53yr old out of shape senior male. I figured Protein intake at 300 grams = 200lbs of lean body mass ? Drinking a protein shake anytime I had a sever hungar pain and filled in with fats and am complex carbs and pre and post miniumial carbs fruit or a 1/2 cup of noodels and avoided carbs and still got more than I wanted but excessive carbs that are not burned as energy will turn to fat !

If this were not true why would serious BB competitors go to near 0 carbs pre contest ? To lean out and be cut and dry ? But the everyday average athletic person needs a few carbs to carry on normal life ! IMHO the max to not have excess and turn to fat or maintain lean body appearance would be no more than a max of 40% carbs and also IMHO that would need to be a young man doing 2 a day and cardio ?

To note I am not a young man and I cannot personally research this so it is only my opinion ! But if I consummed 30% of my nutrition at the age of 55 in carbs i would get poofy and gain fat and that is not my goal even when bulking I only allow me to gain maybe 10 to 15 lbs. and follow with a Tren blast ! I again am not 30 and I am on TRT took 25 yrs off from w/o's and now there is all of this great info out there for young men so they do not make the stupid mistakes I did ! I am wrong on a lot of things and if it is proven I am I will admit it and even appologize ! But even tough I am learning you do not get to be 55 and not learn a little bit about a few things and your own body does not lie to you

1st pic is a little over a year ago and the 2nd is a mth ago and I am in compitition with no one except myself and myself is winning 55 234lbs and in a 33 waist jean so I may not win a comp but again I am a winner to myself

Pardon me I gotta go eat some bacon and a protein shake and then in about an hour and a half eat an apple and go to the gym See Ya !

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Nice transformation!!!!!!

[Times Roman]

Nice transformation!!!!!!

agreed. his "before" definitely looking like a potato sitting on a couch!

[Docd187123]

sorry. I need to step in here.

I went on the Atkins and was losing a half a pound a day NOT in caloric deficit. This remained flat for two months, at which point I dropped 30 pounds.

I was, more or less, eating no carbs.

Dietary Fat does NOT automatically store as body fat.

Not really sure where you are googling all this from................?

Yes actually it does.



http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/62/1/19.full.pdf

Carbohydrates can be stored as liver or muscle glycogen, under rare circumstances they are converted to and stored as fat. Dietary fat is stored either in fat cells or can be stored within muscle as intra-muscular triglyceride (IMTG). Under certain pathological conditions, fat gets stored in places it’s not supposed to go, a situation called ectopic fat storage. In a very real sense there’s no true store of dietary protein although amino acids from protein digestion are used to make various proteins and hormones in the body. Skeletal muscle is, in essence, a ‘store’ of protein in the body. There is no store of alcohol in the body.

But for the most part, ingested dietary fat has little impact on fat burning in the body; that is, when you eat dietary fat, your body doesn’t increase fat oxidation. One exception is if an absolutely massive amount of fat (like 80 g) is consumed all at once but even then the effect is fairly mild. Some specific fats, notably medium chain triglycerides, are somewhat of an exception to this; they are oxidized in the liver directly. Rather, the primary controller of dietary fat oxidation in the body is how many carbohydrates you’re eating, which I’ll explain momentarily.

Metabolic response of Acylation Stimulating Protein to an oral fat load.
K Cianflone, H Vu, M Walsh, A Baldo and A Sniderman
+ Author Affiliations

McGill Unit for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease, Royal Victoria Hospital, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
ABSTRACT

Acylation Stimulating Protein (ASP) is a small (mol wt 14,000), basic (pI 9.0) protein present in human plasma. When examined in vitro with normal human cultured skin fibroblasts and adipocytes, ASP appears to be the most potent stimulant of triglyceride synthesis yet described. In this study, a competitive ELISA assay for ASP has been developed using immunospecific polyclonal antibodies, and ASP levels have been measured in seven normal subjects. Following an oral fat load, a sustained significant increase in ASP occurs, whereas after an oral glucose load, ASP levels do not change significantly. These responses are entirely opposite to those of insulin, which rises sharply but transiently after an oral glucose load but is unchanged after an oral fat load. Both the fasting and peak ASP levels were significantly related to the postprandial lipemia. These data provide the first in vivo evidence that Acylation Stimulating Protein may play an important physiological role in the normal response to an oral fat load.

Carbs are rarely converted to fat and stored as such
When you eat more carbs you burn more carbs and less fat; eat less carbs and you burn less carbs and more fat
Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such
When you eat more protein, you burn more protein (and by extension, less carbs and less fat); eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat)
Ingested dietary fat is primarily stored, eating more of it doesn’t impact on fat oxidation to a significant degree
Let’s work through this backwards. When you eat dietary fat, it’s primary fate is storage as its intake has very little impact on fat oxidation (and don’t ask me a bunch of questions about “But people say you have to eat fat to burn fat?” in the comments. That idea is fundamentally wrong but would take an entire article to address). It also doesn’t impact greatly on the oxidation of the protein or carbohydrates.
Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people.

How We Get Fat | BodyRecomposition

[Times Roman]

sorry. you can post all the pretty pictures you want. it's still BS.

find some on NCBI and I will take the time to read.

it is well known that low fat diets don't work. Your theory is about 20 years out of date.

[Times Roman]

........Doc

It's ok to be a google ninja.

but you need to bench test your theory with "ACTUAL" experience if you want to be taken serious on this subject matter.

eating fat does not "automatically" become stored as fact.

end of subject

[Docd187123]

........Doc

It's ok to be a google ninja.

but you need to bench test your theory with "ACTUAL" experience if you want to be taken serious on this subject matter.

eating fat does not "automatically" become stored as fact.

end of subject

TR,

Running an Atkins Diet is hardly a bench test. Especially when it's done without taking into account confirmation bias, confounding variables, user error etc.

It's ok to be a skeptic but you need to read about human nutrition if you want to be taken serious on the subject matter.

Eating fat gets stored as fat. The oxidation of it afterwards is dependent on other things.

End of subject.

[Docd187123]

sorry. you can post all the pretty pictures you want. it's still BS.

find some on NCBI and I will take the time to read.

it is well known that low fat diets don't work. Your theory is about 20 years out of date.

The picture was only bc it wouldn't let me copy and paste....BS to you maybe, backed up by the research of course. Compare it to "I once ran the Atkins diet and...." To the critical thinker, which one screams more BS?

You must have missed the link to AJCN? It's right underneath the pretty picture.

Please reread what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth. I never advocated for a low fat diet, even though they can work once energy and macronutrient needs are tailored to the specific goals. Please reread how all I am saying is that dietary fat gets stored as fat. If it is to be oxidized at a later time depends on a multitude of factors but not the intake of it.

[Times Roman]

TR,

Running an Atkins Diet is hardly a bench test. Especially when it's done without taking into account confirmation bias, confounding variables, user error etc.

It's ok to be a skeptic but you need to read about human nutrition if you want to be taken serious on the subject matter.

Eating fat gets stored as fat. The oxidation of it afterwards is dependent on other things.

End of subject.

if what you say is true, that any fat you eat is automatically stored as fat, then we are all doomed. Especially the Inuits that eat predominantly whale blubber for months on end as a dietary staple, yet are reasonably fit and "thin".

and let's talk about what you said

Especially when it's done without taking into account confirmation bias, confounding variables, user error etc.

when I was in public accounting, we had plates of salami and cheese provided which I gorged on. no carbs. and yet, 30 pounds in 2 months. there is no "bias" there. Just fact. salami and cheese are calorically dense. and still, weight loss.

Sorry mate.

This is the second time I've had to disagree with you. Now I need to keep an eye on you as the advice you are giving seems impaired.

[Times Roman]

doc

I am one of your supporters. but you step out with these wild claims.............??

[Docd187123]

if what you say is true, that any fat you eat is automatically stored as fat, then we are all doomed. Especially the Inuits that eat predominantly whale blubber for months on end as a dietary staple, yet are reasonably fit and "thin".

and let's talk about what you said

Especially when it's done without taking into account confirmation bias, confounding variables, user error etc.

when I was in public accounting, we had plates of salami and cheese provided which I gorged on. no carbs. and yet, 30 pounds in 2 months. there is no "bias" there. Just fact. salami and cheese are calorically dense. and still, weight loss.

Sorry mate.

This is the second time I've had to disagree with you. Now I need to keep an eye on you as the advice you are giving seems impaired.

Any fat you eat is stored as fat correct. I'll explain the other half of the picture since you can't be bothered to further read the links or read the quotes:

When you eat dietary fat it gets stored as fat. But NET FAT GAIN is dependent on fat being stored and fat being oxidized. Fat intake does not affect fat oxidation but energy balance does ie calories. If you are eating in a calorie deficit this means your energy needs have to come from somewhere if dietary carbs are not enough to supply the necessary glucose. Where does this energy come from? Stored body fat. If in a caloric deficit the fat being oxidized is more Thant the fat begin stored so NET FAT BALANCE IS REDUCED

Your example of Inuits does not affect my argument in the least bc they're fat intake is still stored. The reason they're not getting fat is bc of the other half of the equation mentioned above.

What I've said is accurate if you know anything about the human body and nutrient partitioning. The fact you disagree with me is not as important as the accuracy of the information being presented. I have provided references, peer-reviewed nonetheless, and you have provided a story about when you ran Atkins one time and the salami and cheese you used to eat at work. How that is to be used as proof of anything is beyond be but to each their own.

[Docd187123]

doc

I am one of your supporters. but you step out with these wild claims.............??

You are only looking at one half of the puzzle and denouncing the facts bc you didn't see the whole picture. Intake of fat doesn't change how it gets partitioned. Body fat gain or loss is not just about intake. That's half the equation. The other half you're missing is the oxidation side.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

docd

Ever get the feeling you are being ignored ?
Like possible the only person that really GAF is you ?

[hawk14dl]

Yeah doc. .I gotta point out, you're arguing against your own point.

You first said he didn't lose the weight because of lowered carb intake (and resulting higher fat intake).

Then, this article you keep quoting says that the fat gets stored (btw never says it's stored as body fat). Then it days your body turns to the fat stores as a result of being carb deficient. (I'm paraphrasing here).

So in essence, you disagreed and agreed with him.

I'm no dietician. The only thing i wouldn't like about this diet is how low the protein is. This was also explained earlier, as a result. . Doesn't sound bad? I think. .

[hawk14dl]

Btw op.. You're knocking off 1000 calories a day. I think that's probably pretty extreme