Discovering Through Bloodwork your UGL source is Under Dosed

[static_square231]

Hi All,

I confirmed through bloodwork my UGL is under dosed. They are a board sponsor on a lot of sites so wondering if it would even be worth it to try and contact them to get some kind of assistance or just cut my losses?

Also kind of wanting to see what to do from here. Should I extend my cycle, double the dosage until I run out from the old source and get a new source?

Thanks!

EDIT: Cycle is 250 mg Test E 2x a week, Adex 0.25 2x a week.

[Obs]

Hi All,

I confirmed through bloodwork my UGL is under dosed. They are a board sponsor on a lot of sites so wondering if it would even be worth it to try and contact them to get some kind of assistance or just cut my losses?

Also kind of wanting to see what to do from here. Should I extend my cycle, double the dosage until I run out from the old source and get a new source?

Thanks!

All good ugls will send you replacement gear with bloodwork. Definitely pursue it

[Rawdata01]

Contact UGL first see if they’ll make it right. If they give you the run around give them bad review.


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[almostgone]

Hi All,

I confirmed through bloodwork my UGL is under dosed. They are a board sponsor on a lot of sites so wondering if it would even be worth it to try and contact them to get some kind of assistance or just cut my losses?

Also kind of wanting to see what to do from here. Should I extend my cycle, double the dosage until I run out from the old source and get a new source?

Thanks!

Your second set of values isn't terrible. Your freeT is very good. What dosage are you running?

[static_square231]

Okay awesome, makes me feel better. Sorry should have clarified but your basic starter cycle: 250 mg Test E 2x a week, Adex 0.25 2x a week.

[Windex]

Okay awesome, makes me feel better. Sorry should have clarified but your basic starter cycle: 250 mg Test E 2x a week, Adex 0.25 2x a week.

You are at 4x top range level and you started in the middle of normal range. Why do you think it's underdosed ? When did you pin and when did you run the bloodwork.

[static_square231]

The only reason I think/thought it's underdosed (really just wanted to get opinions to see if I am good) is because the "Testosterone , Total, MS" is usually higher in people that I have seen and usually around 2500-3000 (I cruised a lot of forums/reddit).

This - https://www.physiology.org/doi/pdf/1...01.281.6.e1172 states:

"The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively"

I pinned on Wednesday (my 9th pin/5th week) 250 mg test e, and then did bloodwork on Friday morning fasted. I was careful not to list the UGL or go ape shit crazy/posting and accusing them since this is my first cycle and wasn't sure. I want to be respectful and just wanted to see if I am in line. I did have 4x the normal amount of test so I can live with that (though several sources stated 5-6x is more normal), just other opinions were calling it "low" since mine came around ~1400 and people were expecting ~2500.

[Obs]

The only reason I think/thought it's underdosed (really just wanted to get opinions to see if I am good) is because the "Testosterone , Total, MS" is usually higher in people that I have seen and usually around 2500-3000 (I cruised a lot of forums/reddit).

This - https://www.physiology.org/doi/pdf/1...01.281.6.e1172 states:

"The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively"

I pinned on Wednesday (my 9th pin/5th week) 250 mg test e, and then did bloodwork on Friday morning fasted. I was careful not to list the UGL or go ape shit crazy/posting and accusing them since this is my first cycle and wasn't sure. I want to be respectful and just wanted to see if I am in line. I did have 4x the normal amount of test so I can live with that (though several sources stated 5-6x is more normal), just other opinions were calling it "low" since mine came around ~1400 and people were expecting ~2500.

Its definitwly underdosed. Pursue it

[static_square231]

Its definitwly underdosed. Pursue it

Interesting. I guess now that we’ve determined it’s - how common is this?

I thought Test was dirt cheap to make so UGL overdose rather than under to keep business?

[GearHeaded]

your Free T went from 75 to 455 . something is sure the hell in that UGL bottle of test. you should be making gains

[kelkel]

your Free T went from 75 to 455 . something is sure the hell in that UGL bottle of test. you should be making gains

I think it's a lab error on the serum T. Assuming FT is correct.

[HoldMyBeer]

I would expect mid 2k as well

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[Obs]

I would expect mid 2k as well

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A 500mg cycle has a variance of 2200-2800 I believe...

I cant remember now... Its nust a one size fits all variance for the 99%

He should get refurbished for sure

[Obs]

A 500mg cycle has a variance of 2200-2800 I believe...

I cant remember now... Its nust a one size fits all variance for the 99%

He should get refurbished for sure

No... 2400 -2800?
Fack off I got a shit mind

[static_square231]

I decided against it but wanted to thank everyone for their input. I think the time spent trying to chase a little bit of money is not worth it and who knows, maybe the issue is I just don't respond well biologically to gear.

I think this was a good learning lesson = bloods important. Interesting that the UGL is widely used and is a sponsor on a ton of boards and has a long history of research.

Interestingly enough, have gained 7+ pounds with a slight recomp effect and my abs coming out at around week 6 (with no side effects). Could be due to more strict dieting but I ain't complaining, goes to show how powerful gear is lol.

[HoldMyBeer]

I decided against it but wanted to thank everyone for their input. I think the time spent trying to chase a little bit of money is not worth it and who knows, maybe the issue is I just don't respond well biologically to gear.

I think this was a good learning lesson = bloods important. Interesting that the UGL is widely used and is a sponsor on a ton of boards and has a long history of research.

Interestingly enough, have gained 7+ pounds with a slight recomp effect and my abs coming out at around week 6 (with no side effects). Could be due to more strict dieting but I ain't complaining, goes to show how powerful gear is lol.

Regardless you should post the blood work on the forum. Don't say anything about it being underdosed (if it's the site I'm thinking of, all you will get is bitching and excuses). Just so others can make an informed decision before purchasing. Save them the frustration and time

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[TRA]

I think it's a lab error on the serum T. Assuming FT is correct.

Agree. Always check abnormal labs with a follow up lab.

[Far from massive]

Always amazed that major UGLs would underdose test. When I was brewing my cost per bottle for test was 2 dollars so I imagine any big UGL would be paying half that... so they would risk pissing people off to save 25 cents a bottle LOL.

I always went the other direction and upped the dose and volume both by 15%....that is gear labelled 200mg/ml would be 230 and my 10ml vials always had 11.5 mls of gear....the later was IMO important since many people expect 10 1ml shots out of a 10ml vial which is completely unrealistic. Conversely same thing with the shots someone puts 1ml of gear in the barrel and thinks he is going to get every bit of that gear.

[< <Samson> >]

^ I agree, why cut back on the cheapest roof made - test

Def seems a bit low on the Total#, but free is so high

And also, a week is a bit away from a shot

But, I'd expect closer to 2k or a tad over at least

But, in reality it doesn't mean shit - UGL shit is seriously home brew on on any scale. . . They can throw in whatever to make up for whatever at any time - let alone just vanish

[HoldMyBeer]

Always amazed that major UGLs would underdose test. When I was brewing my cost per bottle for test was 2 dollars so I imagine any big UGL would be paying half that... so they would risk pissing people off to save 25 cents a bottle LOL.

I always went the other direction and upped the dose and volume both by 15%....that is gear labelled 200mg/ml would be 230 and my 10ml vials always had 11.5 mls of gear....the later was IMO important since many people expect 10 1ml shots out of a 10ml vial which is completely unrealistic. Conversely same thing with the shots someone puts 1ml of gear in the barrel and thinks he is going to get every bit of that gear.

I really don't think they do (intentionally). They probably fucked up their math or measurements when making a large batch. I don't exactly picture the smartest people making this shit.
Or they got crappy raws, I doubt they spend the money to have it independently tested, as that would raise their costs substantially.

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[< <Samson> >]

I really don't think they do (intentionally). They probably fucked up their math or measurements when making a large batch. I don't exactly picture the smartest people making this shit.
Or they got crappy raws, I doubt they spend the money to have it independently tested, as that would raise their costs substantially.

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This is is exactly how I picture it

Scary part is that we inject this shit

[Obs]

The issue is almost always raw supply.
Independent testing of donated gear from individuals is revealing some weird stuff.

75 mg tren turning out to be 75 tren and 60mg test p etc...

Its clearly because the chinese raw supplier tried yo stretch a big batch of raws by adding other compound to the batch. I assure you nearly none of the ugl's test their raws.

Pcom tests it all. The actually have a 98% purity standard and spectro analysis on finished product.

There is crap being mislabeled, underdosed, overdosed with extra compounds etc... It all falls back to the raw suppliers. They dont care and the ugls do not test their raws. A freakin analysis sent from a raw supplier means nothing.

Most are just individuals ordering raws from a third party like ppl etc.

[pgc640]

What a surprise you found out your US UGL test is underdosed what a revaluation! I don't care how much these stupid board push these UGLs. You don't think they get paid to sponsor these UGLs and do you really think they do any quality control before taking a sources money and sticking them up on the board. I've found so many underdosed US UGL garbage it's stupid. It's garbage plain and simple. There are alot of good sources if you do your homework but stay away from these US UGLs

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[Couchlockd]

What a surprise you found out your US UGL test is underdosed what a revaluation! I don't care how much these stupid board push these UGLs. You don't think they get paid to sponsor these UGLs and do you really think they do any quality control before taking a sources money and sticking them up on the board. I've found so many underdosed US UGL garbage it's stupid. It's garbage plain and simple. There are alot of good sources if you do your homework but stay away from these US UGLs

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Stay away from European UGL's they cause infections.

Especially Purity Source labs, and a few others

I can show you lab tests from over a dozen us domestic ugl's that are at or above label claim.

Just as I can show you just as many European UGL's that aren't near label claim.

Go post some more pics that aren't yours from 30 years ago.

[Obs]

Stay away from European UGL's they cause infections.

Especially Purity Source labs, and a few others

I can show you lab tests from over a dozen us domestic ugl's that are at or above label claim.

Just as I can show you just as many European UGL's that aren't near label claim.

Go post some more pics that aren't yours from 30 years ago.

This is the guy on other boards that slings the same pics and trash talks ugl's? Literally mirror posts?

[Couchlockd]

This is the guy on other boards that slings the same pics and trash talks ugl's? Literally mirror posts?

Yeppers

[Obs]

Yeppers

He has too much time and negative energy on his hands.

Poor guy needs a hobby.
I should introduce him to my ex wife.
That or you should introduce him to your john deere

[Couchlockd]

He has too much time and negative energy on his hands.

Poor guy needs a hobby.
I should introduce him to my ex wife.
That or you should introduce him to your john deere

I broke my bungees, I need new ones or I'll end up in neighbors front yard in my birthday suit

[Chrisp83TRT]

What a surprise you found out your US UGL test is underdosed what a revaluation! I don't care how much these stupid board push these UGLs. You don't think they get paid to sponsor these UGLs and do you really think they do any quality control before taking a sources money and sticking them up on the board. I've found so many underdosed US UGL garbage it's stupid. It's garbage plain and simple. There are alot of good sources if you do your homework but stay away from these US UGLs

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Bro stfu already ... You preach about euro gear like it's good gift and I know plenty of gear coming out of Europe that has either bad bloods from customers or just pure garbage.

Stop acting like the US the only country to have gotten bad raws or has tried to scam people.

Your words are so biased and childish at best

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