UGL Test Gel or Creams?

[Ghostman_SW]

Are there UGL's that make test gel or creams?

Been doing a lot of reading and the possibility for infection exists with an UGL, even from the good ones.

Would a cream or gel be a better option for avoiding infections?

[almostgone]

A good UGL won't cause you problems. If you're concerned, look into refiltering and possibly autoclaving your UGL oils.

I've seen diverted pharma gels for sale by some UGLs, but the profit $$ aren't really there to make a profit.

[Ghostman_SW]

A good UGL won't cause you problems. If you're concerned, look into refiltering and possibly autoclaving your UGL oils.

I've seen diverted pharma gels for sale by some UGLs, but the profit $$ aren't really there to make a profit.

I had read that on another site. Thank you for putting my mind at ease. The site did mention what to look for in the vial.

[Cylon357]

The gels are not really a good choice, unless nothing else is available. They are typically dosed way too low to be of use.

The compounded creams CAN be a good option for TRT, I'm using one of those right now. It is dosed at 200mg/4 clicks, with a single click 2x a day. The absorption rate is roughly 10%, so this should end up being about a 70mg per week equivalent. I have not pulled blood work on it yet, though will at the end of the month. I feel good on it and HCG , though.

All that said, I absolutely agree with AG here on two things:
1 - a good ugl will not cause problems
2 - if you are paranoid (and I am), you can filter your dose

I have been impressed with some of these "UGLs". Yes, there are some that are bath tub brewing, but there are others that appear to more accurately called "non US pharma grade". Peep some of the discussions in the labs sub, specifically regarding PharmaCom and EP.

[redz]

Don’t bother with creams or gels. Injection is the only real effective way to go.

[Ghostman_SW]

The gels are not really a good choice, unless nothing else is available. They are typically dosed way too low to be of use.

The compounded creams CAN be a good option for TRT, I'm using one of those right now. It is dosed at 200mg/4 clicks, with a single click 2x a day. The absorption rate is roughly 10%, so this should end up being about a 70mg per week equivalent. I have not pulled blood work on it yet, though will at the end of the month. I feel good on it and HCG , though.

All that said, I absolutely agree with AG here on two things:
1 - a good ugl will not cause problems
2 - if you are paranoid (and I am), you can filter your dose

I have been impressed with some of these "UGLs". Yes, there are some that are bath tub brewing, but there are others that appear to more accurately called "non US pharma grade". Peep some of the discussions in the labs sub, specifically regarding PharmaCom and EP.

After reading through your two threads, I think I willl look into getting some PharmCom. Based off your thread, it sounds like you will be running PharmaCom in the near future.

[Test Monsterone]

The gels are not really a good choice, unless nothing else is available. They are typically dosed way too low to be of use.

The compounded creams CAN be a good option for TRT, I'm using one of those right now. It is dosed at 200mg/4 clicks, with a single click 2x a day. The absorption rate is roughly 10%, so this should end up being about a 70mg per week equivalent. I have not pulled blood work on it yet, though will at the end of the month. I feel good on it and HCG , though.

All that said, I absolutely agree with AG here on two things:
1 - a good ugl will not cause problems
2 - if you are paranoid (and I am), you can filter your dose

I have been impressed with some of these "UGLs". Yes, there are some that are bath tub brewing, but there are others that appear to more accurately called "non US pharma grade". Peep some of the discussions in the labs sub, specifically regarding PharmaCom and EP.

You have to apply the cream every day, I’m assuming? I want to try the topical route at some point as I have way too much scar tissue in my shoulders. Don’t want to have to start pinning quads or glutes.

[Cylon357]

You have to apply the cream every day, I’m assuming? I want to try the topical route at some point as I have way too much scar tissue in my shoulders. Don’t want to have to start pinning quads or glutes.

Yes, but it is not as bad as it sounds. I am prescribed the 20% cream (200mg per ml). Each "click" of the dispenser (a 1/4 ml) provides a 50mg dose (roughly 10% of which will be absorbed). The cream from each click is about the size of a dime, you rub it in and it dries to the touch in about 3 minutes. That's it.

Some prefer scrotal application (I do not), others like myself apply to shoulders, upper arms, glutes and top of the feet. My results speak for themselves, though I wasn't completely shutdown at that point. I have added an additional click in the mornings (2 am, 1 pm) to compensate, and to bring estrogen up a bit.

Most docs will say to apply the full dose in the morning, I prefer to keep balance so do twice daily applications. It really isn't much more complicated than washing your hands.

My initial results can be found here: https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...cream-hcg.html

[Ghostman_SW]

You have to apply the cream every day, I’m assuming? I want to try the topical route at some point as I have way too much scar tissue in my shoulders. Don’t want to have to start pinning quads or glutes.

If you don't mind...how long did it take for you to build up scar tissue from delt only injections?

[Test Monsterone]

Yes, but it is not as bad as it sounds. I am prescribed the 20% cream (200mg per ml). Each "click" of the dispenser (a 1/4 ml) provides a 50mg dose (roughly 10% of which will be absorbed). The cream from each click is about the size of a dime, you rub it in and it dries to the touch in about 3 minutes. That's it.

Some prefer scrotal application (I do not), others like myself apply to shoulders, upper arms, glutes and top of the feet. My results speak for themselves, though I wasn't completely shutdown at that point. I have added an additional click in the mornings (2 am, 1 pm) to compensate, and to bring estrogen up a bit.

Most docs will say to apply the full dose in the morning, I prefer to keep balance so do twice daily applications. It really isn't much more complicated than washing your hands.

My initial results can be found here: https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...cream-hcg.html

Blood results look good. I’m still doing underground TRT so I’ll need to get with a clinic at some point, one that prescribes the cream. Around here they were asking for something like $3000 a year for basic TRT, so I said f that.

Way before I got into steroids , when I was around 25, I got my hands on a weeks trial of Testim 1% gel. I made it last 2 weeks lol, and swear I felt stronger and more aggressive, but who knows.

Thanks for the info. Good to see we’re not all pin cushions (all the time).

[Cylon357]

Blood results look good. I’m still doing underground TRT so I’ll need to get with a clinic at some point, one that prescribes the cream. Around here they were asking for something like $3000 a year for basic TRT, so I said f that.

Way before I got into steroids , when I was around 25, I got my hands on a weeks trial of Testim 1% gel. I made it last 2 weeks lol, and swear I felt stronger and more aggressive, but who knows.

Thanks for the info. Good to see we’re not all pin cushions (all the time).

My doc is pretty good, not perfect, but pretty good. The compounded test is $47 for 30ml, which is enough for about 6 to 8 weeks with the doses I am running. More expensive than injections, depending on source, but less hassle and easier to travel with.

Now, I likely will be using some of the stuff from my stash just for fun, so it isn't like I'm afraid of the needle, just exploring options.

It is also entirely possible I switch to injections only to bring that DHT down, but I'm not having any issues from it atm.

[Test Monsterone]

My doc is pretty good, not perfect, but pretty good. The compounded test is $47 for 30ml, which is enough for about 6 to 8 weeks with the doses I am running. More expensive than injections, depending on source, but less hassle and easier to travel with.

Now, I likely will be using some of the stuff from my stash just for fun, so it isn't like I'm afraid of the needle, just exploring options.

It is also entirely possible I switch to injections only to bring that DHT down, but I'm not having any issues from it atm.

That's not a bad price.
Did he say that the DHT increase is due to the method of administration? Also, are you going through a clinic or endo/uro?

[Cylon357]

That's not a bad price.
Did he say that the DHT increase is due to the method of administration? Also, are you going through a clinic or endo/uro?

That price is straight from the pharmacy, no insurance. A local compounding place, not one of the big names you have heard.

DHT increase is most definitely influenced by topical application. I have read as high as 2.5x higher from topical than injections. That alone may end up driving me to injections as my main TRT method, but the cream is convenient. I will post up a pic in my HRT thread later, showing the applicator and the amount of cream we are talking about.

My doc is actually sort of a clinic / specialist. There is an annual fee if you want HRT, but they accept insurance and will send your prescriptions to whoever your pharmacy is. To be honest, I feel like I am at the point of not really needing a specialist and rolling my own TRT, just haven't cut that cord yet. Plus, this doc is also my primary care guy and is very good in that regard. I might be able to do the primary care through him, drop the annual fee, and do my TRT on my own, just hasn't been a priority yet.

[Test Monsterone]

Oof on the 2.5x DHT. That’s rough on the hair and I’m already thinning like a mofo on top of my head. I need to hit up the Derma rolling, the 1x a day Minoxidil and a sprinkle of finasteride in it doesn’t seem to be cutting it.

I’ve been doing the friendly neighborhood test for TRT this whole time. Going legit at least you know it’s going to be dosed right and you won’t have who knows what in it. That’s my only concern - I can run bloods on my own and donate as needed. I feel like most of us on here who spend time researching can figure most of it out on our own. But.. it’s nice to have a legit doctor look at your bloods once in a while and give their input (if they are any good).

Last question: does your clinic prescribe HCG ? The one I went to made it seem like I was asking for a foot massage when I asked for HCG.

[Cylon357]

Oof on the 2.5x DHT. That’s rough on the hair and I’m already thinning like a mofo on top of my head. I need to hit up the Derma rolling, the 1x a day Minoxidil and a sprinkle of finasteride in it doesn’t seem to be cutting it.

I’ve been doing the friendly neighborhood test for TRT this whole time. Going legit at least you know it’s going to be dosed right and you won’t have who knows what in it. That’s my only concern - I can run bloods on my own and donate as needed. I feel like most of us on here who spend time researching can figure most of it out on our own. But.. it’s nice to have a legit doctor look at your bloods once in a while and give their input (if they are any good).

Last question: does your clinic prescribe HCG? The one I went to made it seem like I was asking for a foot massage when I asked for HCG.

They do prescribe HCG and normally keep it on hand. I'm using my stock right now but will start getting it from them at some point.

I've been bald for 20+ years, so hair loss is not a concern of mine lol! I do keep a close eye on my psa, but it isn't out of line right now and actually is doing WAY better than I would have guessed with DHT over 200. Still something to watch, but no red flags atm

[Ghostman_SW]

Looked at geting Euro Pharmacies but the source required a minimum $250 order for the US warehouse. That is a lot of money to put down for a company I have not tried before. I don't need that much product with the low doses I will be taking.

Now it appears PharmCom will be my choice of Test E. A very helpful member here recommended their GSO carrier.

[Ghostman_SW]

Two vials of PharmaCom Test E should be on their way soon.

[almostgone]

Yes, but it is not as bad as it sounds. I am prescribed the 20% cream (200mg per ml). Each "click" of the dispenser (a 1/4 ml) provides a 50mg dose (roughly 10% of which will be absorbed). The cream from each click is about the size of a dime, you rub it in and it dries to the touch in about 3 minutes. That's it.

Some prefer scrotal application (I do not), others like myself apply to shoulders, upper arms, glutes and top of the feet. My results speak for themselves, though I wasn't completely shutdown at that point. I have added an additional click in the mornings (2 am, 1 pm) to compensate, and to bring estrogen up a bit.

Most docs will say to apply the full dose in the morning, I prefer to keep balance so do twice daily applications. It really isn't much more complicated than washing your hands.

My initial results can be found here: https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...cream-hcg.html

This has been a looong shift. In bold above, I read it as scrotal injection.

[Cylon357]

This has been a looong shift. In bold above, I read it as scrotal injection.

You know, after the whole Lorenna Bobbit thing, that doesn't even phase me.

Well, ok, maybe a little

[Ghostman_SW]

Two vials of PharmaCom Test E should be on their way soon.

Turns out this has been a royal headache. Placed order and supplier is still not responding for over a week.

[hickvranek]

Is there a final opinion on this product? I've seen a lot of mixed reviews, so I'm doubtful. My skin is prone to atopy and dermatitis on the body, so I'm very picky about what to choose for myself and I'm worried about the quality of these creams. Even the skin on my face is prone to dryness. That's why I use peeling prx t33 all the time. Do you use these products and how often?

[almostgone]

Pretty much the only test gels or creams I've seen are pharma products that are either diverted or for sale in locations that don't require a script.