went to the dr...low test! Gel??

**jeepman** · 08-04-2006, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=Mobligator]

Originally Posted by jeepman

OK....back to the dr. today.

First we went over lab results...and I have included link to those below. Keep in mind these test were taken while on 10mg does of androgel .

Basically she didn't say a whole heck of a lot...pointed out the things that are low or high on the test, and a simple explanation as to why. She has prescribed something else from the compounding pharmacy and I have listed the ingredients to that out as well. Anyways...just looking for input. I am still tired all the time, no sex drive, no morning wood...then with the help of cialis I am able to perform...but takes forever to reach climax, and even on the cialis it still takes a long time to achieve a full erection.

She also mentioned that my white and red cells counts where low, and that would be a lack of iron, and that she would add something to the perscribtion to help with that. Well..what I don't get...is why would my cell count be low because of iron...I take a good multi everyday, as well as ZMA every night before bed. Seems like I would be getting plenty of zinc.

Here is what the lable says on what I am taking now...

test75 /D25 /MT5 /ZN25MG /SEL10MCG (take one cap, twice a day)

lab results...

jeepman,

I just went over your very thorough blood work and I'd be willing to give my left nut to get the same results you have. However I believe your doc ought to take another look at your RBC because it is not low; 5.07 in a range of 4.2-6.10. Your WBC is low but only .5 (five tenths) and that can be easily corrected by taking some Folic Acid. Take one or two tabs of 400 mcg folic acid every day until your next blood work and I'll guarantee you your WBC will go up to normal. A lack of iron doesn't affect your white count inso far as I am aware but it would affect your hemoglobin which just happens to be very much in the normal range. Your hematocrits are only one tenth of a point low and is nothing to worry about. Hematocrits are the percentage of the amount of blood that is occupied by red blood cells that are packed together. Your MCV and MCH are normal so the crits might be just an anomaly. The day before and the day of your next blood test drink a lot of water and it should bring up the volume of blood enough to make up one tenth. You could try taking some iron tabs a couple, three days a week for awhile but unless you have a "serum ferritin"test that shows you are low on iron you probably don't need it. Once your body gets enough iron, it stores it up for quite a while so you don't want to over do it. If you up your testosterone to 100 mg it will most likely put all of your blood work in the normal ranges, maybe even raise your RBC to the high end of the range.
You might want to have the blood flow to your penis checked if you're having erection problems, esp while taking Cialis. Also some of your symptoms sound very similar to depression. FYI, Check out the following site: http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/...sfunction.html

Mobligator, thanks for the information!! I would like to point out that this blood work was done while I was on 10mg of Androgel, my test level was at 319 before starting the androgel. I might try your folic acid suggestion just to see if I feel better.

As far as this being depression...I kinda think that entire mind set is what got me in this mess. I went to the doc for always being tired, run down...blabala about 5-6 years ago and dopped me up on effexor and I haven't been the same ever since! I stayed on effexor for about 2 years, and finally went back because of the sexual side effects it was causing. (unable to climax) He thought it would be a good idea to add a little wellbutrin to the mix and cut back on effexor some. I tired this route for awhile, and no relief on the climax issue. I finally winged myself off of effexor and stuck with just the wellbutrin for awhile. I was finally able to reach climax but it was still alot of work. And coming off the effexor hase was great! I will never go back on that stuff again! I missed some great years of my life because of that crap. Anyways...stayed on wellbutrin for awhile...but still wasn't happy with the whole climax issue...so I got off of everything completly..and now feel better mentally than I ever have! It was several months later before i went to the doc for the libido issues thinking that maybe it was going to take awhile for everything to get out of my system and what not.

And that background basically gets me to my #1 post in this thread.

I also think if it was a mental thing like depression my test levels would have been closer to a normal range at my first blood test (it was 319) And while they are getting closer to the mid range of normal....nothing really seems to be changing for me, or maybe I am expecting too much.

What sucks is I remember back when I was about 40lbs heavier (all fat) I was horney all the time, but had a wife at the time that was never intrested in it. Now, I am in the best shape of my life, have a great body..actually have abs that you can see! Girls commenting on my body all the time! A hot HORNEY girlfriend, and most of the time I feel like I fall short in her eyes. We can't have quickie's because it takes me 20mins to get an erection, and then all of sessions have to turn in to a fck fest because it takes me so long to reach climax.

So my thoughts are...why are my test levels low at the first blood test (319)? I kinda feel like my issues my steam from why they were low to begin with...? I know we are getting those levels up...but why were they low to begin with? I dont know...just kinda brain storming here...

**jeepman** · 08-12-2006, 03:44 PM

Question...

Does anyone know exactly what this doc has me on? I am taking test orally, and I seem to the only one here that does. I am getting very discouraged at this point…I read about all these great things with TRT and HRT and how the sex drive and blablabla came back when the test levels went up, but everyone that states this is taking test by injection.

She’s had me taking test orally for about 6 weeks now, and hasn’t tested since, and when she did test I was on androgel …and I think I was doing better on that, than I how I feel now. I go back in about two weeks…I wonder if my body is just not doing what’s its supposed to with this oral stuff. I would be willing to bet that my test levels have done down since I have started seeing her, and going off the androgel.

I feel worse than when I started...took two cialis last night, and still notta. Tired, loss of motivation for the gym...and I am getting fat!....my nice abs are fading.

**zaggahamma** · 08-12-2006, 04:30 PM

that sucks bro...yeh, i think you are the only one that I've heard taking test orals for hrt...i'll have to go back to see why you switched from gel to orals anyway but even so ....my doc tried to do that 3-6 month come back and see me B.S. but even the paperwork on my androgel said get new bloodwork after 14 days so that's what i did and sure enough she had a little fit about me coming making new appointments....AND SHE'S GETTING FVCKIN PAID FOR THIS SHIAT!!!!!!!!!! well, she's no longer....sometimes you have to try and make the docs work for you (you're paying them) but it is hard...was you're libido a lot better on the gel? And that reminds me most docs don't write for orals cuz it has to pass the liver?
There was also a recent post with a place that does bloodwork for fraction of the cost of a lab and you can go to a lab near you with their paperwork. You don't even need a script from a doc. It's more reasonable than paying cash to a lab only downside is they don't take insurance...you can possibly get reinbursed but not sure....If you're interested i'll post the thread.

**jeepman** · 08-12-2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

that sucks bro...yeh, i think you are the only one that I've heard taking test orals for hrt...i'll have to go back to see why you switched from gel to orals anyway but even so ....my doc tried to do that 3-6 month come back and see me B.S. but even the paperwork on my androgel said get new bloodwork after 14 days so that's what i did and sure enough she had a little fit about me coming making new appointments....AND SHE'S GETTING FVCKIN PAID FOR THIS SHIAT!!!!!!!!!! well, she's no longer....sometimes you have to try and make the docs work for you (you're paying them) but it is hard...was you're libido a lot better on the gel? And that reminds me most docs don't write for orals cuz it has to pass the liver?
There was also a recent post with a place that does bloodwork for fraction of the cost of a lab and you can go to a lab near you with their paperwork. You don't even need a script from a doc. It's more reasonable than paying cash to a lab only downside is they don't take insurance...you can possibly get reinbursed but not sure....If you're interested i'll post the thread.

yeah...this sucks! yeah...libido was better on the gel, and I at least felt ok. I could at least get an erection with cilias. The last thing I want to be doing it taking steps back. I wonder if taking this test orally is getting converted to something eles.....?

I switched from the Gels because this new dr. thinks they suck, and don't provide enough of what one needs.

Yes...I would be intrested in the link for getting lab work done...I'd like to have it done right now and see where my levels are. I would bet money they are down from when I started with her. I am also considering contacting Oasis...sounds like they really have a good grasp on this.

thanks for any input!

**zaggahamma** · 08-12-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeepman

yeah...this sucks! yeah...libido was better on the gel, and I at least felt ok. I could at least get an erection with cilias. The last thing I want to be doing it taking steps back. I wonder if taking this test orally is getting converted to something eles.....?

I switched from the Gels because this new dr. thinks they suck, and don't provide enough of what one needs.

Yes...I would be intrested in the link for getting lab work done...I'd like to have it done right now and see where my levels are. I would bet money they are down from when I started with her. I am also considering contacting Oasis...sounds like they really have a good grasp on this.

thanks for any input!

yes bro and oasis can order bloodwork for you too...i forgot how much...they made a post a while back on it I'll try to find that one for you too....here's the one i promised that Spyke posted yesterday:

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/

go to the link men's health/men's profile or something real similar and you'll see they have a combo blood test for $181.00....

A comprehensive basline assessment for men. Due to high volume of these profiles ordered, HealthCheckUSA is able to provide at significant savings. This profile has near 50 testing indicators including HealthCheckUSA's "Super Chemistry", PSA, Testosterone , TIBC, HbA1c, UA.

The "Super Chemistry" includes a CBC, Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL and Ratios, Triglycerides, Glucose (Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, & Heart functions, Potassium, Calcium, Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron.

They don't include estro in that which might be of interest to you and it's quite a bit more...maybe oasis can get you more for your money....at least you'll have a couple good options...

to good health bro

**jeepman** · 08-22-2006, 06:20 PM

well...here is a quick update. Got off the oral test, and back on some gel....also got this at the compounding phar. It's supposed to be 10x what the androgel was...I felt much better in just two days. Gonna give this a try and re-test in a few weeks. I'll post back as we progress. But...I do feel much better, and morning woods are back...some mornings.

thanks!

**zaggahamma** · 08-22-2006, 06:36 PM

cool man that's awesome

**CoreyTampa09** · 08-22-2006, 08:16 PM

This may sound really dumb and I dont know much about this product, but while on TRT do you think ZMA could help?

**CoreyTampa09** · 08-22-2006, 08:16 PM

This may sound really dumb and I dont know much about this product, but while on TRT do you think ZMA could help?

**jeepman** · 08-23-2006, 09:25 AM

I take it was well...every night before bed. All I seem to get out of it is crazy dreams.

**zaggahamma** · 08-23-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jeepman

I take it was well...every night before bed. All I seem to get out of it is crazy dreams.

man i love crazy dreams

....what's theis shiat called? used for ?

**Oasis** · 08-23-2006, 06:05 PM

The price for our blood test is $260 and includes the following panel:

CBC
Metabolic Panel
Lipid Panel
Thyroid Function w/ TSH & Reverse T3
Total & Free Testosterone
SHBG
Cortisol Serum
DHEA-S
LH & FSH
IGF-1
Liver Function
Kidney Function
Estradiol
PSA