Super High Free T and E2 after 8 weeks

[drkinsey]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate / week, 100 mg Deca /week (for osteoporosis), and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part, due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances -- substances that the manufacturers claim can increase free T.

The following link shows previous lab results:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...33299#poststop

[Ufa]

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[zaggahamma]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate / week, 100 mg Deca /week (for osteoporosis), and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part, due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances -- substances that the manufacturers claim can increase free T.

The following link shows previous lab results:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...33299#poststop

How long have you been on?
And aside from the rest of the day libido issues have you felt better, gained strength or LBM, any change in body compostition at all. Seem to be pretty low doses for any type of changes of the latter, but some do on low doses. Although, feeling better is the target here, I am curious with your addition of deca as well. Did you decide not to go without an AI in the beginning for any reason?

[drkinsey]

How long have you been on?
And aside from the rest of the day libido issues have you felt better, gained strength or LBM, any change in body compostition at all. Seem to be pretty low doses for any type of changes of the latter, but some do on low doses. Although, feeling better is the target here, I am curious with your addition of deca as well. Did you decide not to go without an AI in the beginning for any reason?

I have been on this protocol for about 8 weeks, and I do feel a lot better. I have seen some changes in body composition and strength, but I am gaining a lot of water weight. My weight went up to 196 last week, which represents a gain of 10 pounds in a 7 day period. My doctor was initially not in favor of prescribing an AI, but I think he is going to change his mind after he sees the data. ( I ordered my own lab tests this time to "prove" that something strange is happening.)

Incidentally, some users on another board said that my T levels (especially the free T) were comparable to those seem on a full blown steroid cycle. I will state this -- I am not on a "cycle";I was put on Deca to solve a very serious health problem (progressive osteoporosis accompanied by muscle wasting and atrophy. For the record, I do not have AIDS.)

To muddy the waters, I was hospitalized on July 4 with rha**omyolysis, a breakdown of muscle caused by statin (cholesterol) drugs. My CPK (muscle enzyme) was over 10,000, which is over 50 times the upper limit of the range. Rha**o causes the release of myoglobin into the bloodstream, which is toxic to the kidneys. It was only by luck that my doctor decided to check my CPK on July 3. I was close to going into kidney failure. I am one lucky dude.

[drkinsey]

Test look excellent, especially with Deca . Don't like the AST & ALT
ALT reference range 4-35
AST reference range 3-34
estradiol should be under 50. You need an AI to avoid gyno.

How was your blood before. Is this Adaptagen-N messing up your liver?

Ufa - see my reply regarding my recent hospitalization due to rha**omyolysis. While in the hospital the week of July 4, both ALT and AST were in the 200 range. This hospitalization was due to the breakdown of muscle tissue. I think my current liver enzymes are high due to the lingering effects of the high muscle enzymes. (I am now at 1000, which is better than 10,000) I don't think that the Adaptagen is doing this.

By the way, most Anti-Aging Doctors recommend an E2 level under 30.

[zaggahamma]

I have been on this protocol for about 8 weeks, and I do feel a lot better. I have seen some changes in body composition and strength, but I am gaining a lot of water weight. My weight went up to 196 last week, which represents a gain of 10 pounds in a 7 day period. My doctor was initially not in favor of prescribing an AI, but I think he is going to change his mind after he sees the data. ( I ordered my own lab tests this time to "prove" that something strange is happening.)

Incidentally, some users on another board said that my T levels (especially the free T) were comparable to those seem on a full blown steroid cycle. I will state this -- I am not on a "cycle";I was put on Deca to solve a very serious health problem (progressive osteoporosis accompanied by muscle wasting and atrophy. For the record, I do not have AIDS.

To muddy the waters, I was hospitalized on July 4 with rhabdomyolysis, a breakdown of muscle caused by statin (cholesterol) drugs. My CPK (muscle enzyme) was over 10,000, which is over 50 times the upper limit of the range. Rhabdo causes the release of myoglobin into the bloodstream, which is toxic to the kidneys. It was only by luck that my doctor decided to check my CPK on July 3. I was close to going into kidney failure. I am one lucky dude.

Man, that's good that your doc caught that for you. Glad your feeling better and on a track to great health. Please keep the thread updated. You have some great experience to share. Do you do some cardio to help get rid of some water retention?

[Ufa]

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[drkinsey]

Man, that's good that your doc caught that for you. Glad your feeling better and on a track to great health. Please keep the thread updated. You have some great experience to share. Do you do some cardio to help get rid of some water retention?

I am trying hard to do cardio, but I am totally exhausted after 5 minutes on the treadmill. Since the rhabdo incident, going up a flight of stairs is a real chore. My anti-aging doctor is concerned that I have heart failure, and he therefore has recommended that I go to a new cardiologist. (My previous cardiac doc hates weight training: "A man your age has no business lifting weights. Your body is telling you that you shouldn't lift weights. Weight lifting has only a psychological effect -- it makes you feel good when you look in the mirror. Otherwise, there is no benefit. You can walk - that is Ok with me.")

As you can see, the guy is a total jerk. I had to twist his arm to get him to accept the fact the statins are the direct cause of my illness. This is the same doctor who looked me in the eye five years ago and said that "Lipitor is safer than aspirin." .... if only I had known that I was being deceived ..

[drkinsey]

Glad your levels are getting better. The direction they are headed is what counts. You seem to have it under control. Deca is fine with me. I take it
also. I only mentioned Deca becaues it lowers my test. My E2 is (15) thanks
to an AI called Arimidex by AstraZenica.

Thanks Ufa - I would give an arm to have an E2 of 15! What are your T levels, and how much Deca, test, and Armidex are you taking?

[Oasis]

drkinsey,

While doing your follow up blood testing it is important to factor in what day your injection of testosterone and hcg was in relationship to when this test was conducted. You will also want to try to keep estrogen levels between 15-25pg for optimal levels. By doing this you may even lower the dosage of testosterone that you are taking. It is understandable that morning wood and drive are high levels of natural testosterone tend to be higher in morning which is also to believe that estrogen may be the subject later in the day with drive declining. You may also want to decrease the amount of hcg that you are taking because it can cause aromates as well. Try lowering to 250 units twice per week or cutting out all together for a while until you get your estrogen under control. Also you will want to start the arimadex very soon and you will probably see a big difference. Ask your doctor and make sure that you are timing the blood test at the appropriate times to you can get all of the controls the same and then repeat the blood test.

Does your doctor also have you on a liver cleanse protocol to help decrease these liver enzymes? I assume he does as they have come down considerably.

[Ufa]

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[drkinsey]

drkinsey,

While doing your follow up blood testing it is important to factor in what day your injection of testosterone and hcg was in relationship to when this test was conducted. You will also want to try to keep estrogen levels between 15-25pg for optimal levels. By doing this you may even lower the dosage of testosterone that you are taking. It is understandable that morning wood and drive are high levels of natural testosterone tend to be higher in morning which is also to believe that estrogen may be the subject later in the day with drive declining. You may also want to decrease the amount of hcg that you are taking because it can cause aromates as well. Try lowering to 250 units twice per week or cutting out all together for a while until you get your estrogen under control. Also you will want to start the arimadex very soon and you will probably see a big difference. Ask your doctor and make sure that you are timing the blood test at the appropriate times to you can get all of the controls the same and then repeat the blood test.

Does your doctor also have you on a liver cleanse protocol to help decrease these liver enzymes? I assume he does as they have come down considerably.

I am currently not on a liver cleanse protocol. What are your recommendations?

[Oasis]

drkinsey,

Milk Thistle is a good start to be taking. You should be able to get this at any type of supplement store that is near you. Remember to only take the recommended dosage due to having a reverse effect if taken at high dosages. There are some other natural ways to help rejuvenate the liver and clear from toxins.

[drkinsey]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate / week, 100 mg Deca /week (for osteoporosis), and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part, due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances -- substances that the manufacturers claim can increase free T.

The following link shows previous lab results:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...33299#poststop

I finally got my doctor to prescribe Arimidex . I am taking 0.5 mg every three days, and I am very pleased with the results. Over the last four weeks, my percent body fat has decreased from 16.8 percent to 9.2 percent and my weight has increased from from 196 to 202. Daytime wood has returned; finally (after 9 months of agony) I am seing the benefits of HRT. My next blood test will take place in a couple of weeks.

[zaggahamma]

Happy for you man.....so you been on 'dex for those 4 weeks that your BF% went down that much...u think that was the missing link in your HRT? I just got some a little over a week ago....would like to follow in your footsteps with that man....good for you....glad you're doing well

[comradebillyboy]

I finally got my doctor to prescribe Arimidex. I am taking 0.5 mg every three days, and I am very pleased with the results. Over the last four weeks, my percent body fat has decreased from 16.8 percent to 9.2 percent and my weight has increased from from 196 to 202. Daytime wood has returned; finally (after 9 months of agony) I am seing the benefits of HRT. My next blood test will take place in a couple of weeks.

Great news. Sounds like the AI is really important in keeping estrogen in check and keeping the test levels up.Glad you are doing better.

[Ufa]

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[drkinsey]

yes - Arimidex rules. May God bless the men and women of Science who developed these products and the Doctors of Medicine who have the courage, fortitude, and compassion to prescribe them. I really believe that anti-aging doctors are generations ahead of the rest, and history will someday acknowledge their contributions to medical science and humanity.

High T brings out the best in me. LOL

[drkinsey]

Happy for you man.....so you been on 'dex for those 4 weeks that your BF% went down that much...u think that was the missing link in your HRT? I just got some a little over a week ago....would like to follow in your footsteps with that man....good for you....glad you're doing well

Good to hear from you again jpkman! You are always a very positive influence on this Board.

My E2 levels had been a problem from day 1. I spent months recovering from the toxic effects of misguided treatment dished out by two clueless endos. When I presented my anti-aging doctor with the raw data (E2=72 and some initial "feedback" based on trying a small quantity of 'dex I purchased on the Internet), he did not hesitate to write a script for a 60 day supply.

Let us known how things are going for you after one week. Are you starting to lose body fat and are you feeling better yet? I know it is early, but I saw some great initial results after one week.

[zaggahamma]

thanks man...yes it's been a little over a week already with 1mg ED where my estradiol was at 78...I think it's freed up a little testosterone as I'm experiencing a bit more strength in the gym and libido even increasing as well.
BF% not sure..I know my upper body seems more cut especially bicep peak keeps looking nicer but belly fat very stubborn still. I have added DHEA yesterday in hopes that cortisol probs are my last issue...I'll keep it updated.

Take care