hrt & tren

**tubs** · 03-21-2010, 09:18 AM

taking 140 (up from 100) test c a week for hrt and plan on adding some tren e. I also take .5 arimidex 2x a week (up from .25) my last blood work had my test ok but free was in the low normal range, e was in the higher normal range.
I plan to wait until my next blood test and then add a little tren e. what would be a minimal dose to add? and waht would be a minimun run for it? Is there anyhting else I should have on hand?

**Vettester** · 03-21-2010, 02:02 PM

Tubs, I see this is your first post ... Welcome to the site. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, stats and how long and reasons for HRT (Primary/Secondary)?

**tubs** · 03-21-2010, 03:01 PM

I know it is my fist post and i just signed up but have read here for a long time

my test was under 200 when i started hrt but my lh was above the normal range so .....

started hrt last year and it has helped, not great but helped. I should have started it years before because i clearly had a problem that my primary care guy couldn't have cared less about. I am 40 and now able to do more then go to work and sleep ha. I have been working out and making slow but good progress.

I do have high blood sugar and that is what finally pushed me to go find a different doctor. I now have a guy that is fantastic for what is going on with me and has helped a lot.

**Vettester** · 03-21-2010, 10:30 PM

Cool, thanks for the info. I personally don't feel Tren is a product that will compliment HRT. If you've got some "T" to get things in balance, why go with Tren? You might end up skewing your numbers adversely. Is your new doctor working with you on Tren? Hearing your story and situation, I'd probably stay away from Tren, but that's just my .02 on the matter.

**tubs** · 03-22-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Cool, thanks for the info. I personally don't feel Tren is a product that will compliment HRT. If you've got some "T" to get things in balance, why go with Tren? You might end up skewing your numbers adversely. Is your new doctor working with you on Tren? Hearing your story and situation, I'd probably stay away from Tren, but that's just my .02 on the matter.

VetteMan why don't you think is is a good compliment? Do you know anyone that has used it with or without hrt? It seems most people use it paired with t at same or similar doses - i am thinking less for me.
thanks

**Vettester** · 03-22-2010, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by tubs

VetteMan why don't you think is is a good compliment? Do you know anyone that has used it with or without hrt? It seems most people use it paired with t at same or similar doses - i am thinking less for me.
thanks

My reasoning is the same as Baja and others are saying ... It's harsh stuff. To me HRT is synonymous with balance. People who pair "T" with Tren are doing that as a AAS cycle, but don't let that confuse you with people taking "T" for the purpose of HRT. For me and a steady 'balance', Tren offers no contribution to enahance my HRT program. Yes, I know several people that have actually been on it real recently. One guy, he's 21, I watched him gain about 30 pounds in 4 months. When the vital organs are getting stressed and your BW is in the dumps, HRT probably isn't contributing to the solution anymore. Truthfully, if someone is looking to add a little anabolic action while on HRT, I don't know why more people don't seek out some Anavar .

**tubs** · 03-23-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

My reasoning is the same as Baja and others are saying ... It's harsh stuff. To me HRT is synonymous with balance. People who pair "T" with Tren are doing that as a AAS cycle, but don't let that confuse you with people taking "T" for the purpose of HRT. For me and a steady 'balance', Tren offers no contribution to enahance my HRT program. Yes, I know several people that have actually been on it real recently. One guy, he's 21, I watched him gain about 30 pounds in 4 months. When the vital organs are getting stressed and your BW is in the dumps, HRT probably isn't contributing to the solution anymore. Truthfully, if someone is looking to add a little anabolic action while on HRT, I don't know why more people don't seek out some Anavar.

thanks that makes more sense to me and i have thought about anavar more then a couple of times

**zaggahamma** · 03-21-2010, 10:38 PM

maybe you'll notice an even better improvement with your new doseages....tren is pretty harsh stuff from wut ive read...comes with some nasty sides...have you researched it as well?
welcome to the board

**baja212** · 03-22-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by tubs

taking 140 (up from 100) test c a week for hrt and plan on adding some tren e. I also take .5 arimidex 2x a week (up from .25) my last blood work had my test ok but free was in the low normal range, e was in the higher normal range.
I plan to wait until my next blood test and then add a little tren e. what would be a minimal dose to add? and waht would be a minimun run for it? Is there anyhting else I should have on hand?

Tubs, first, these guys on these forums really know there shit. However, if you decide not to take there advice and decide and go with the Tren, 150mg to 200mg is plenty. But I must warn you, it's very harsh on your kidney's. My protien, creatinine, uric acid, sodium levels were literally off the chart. Be careful.

**tubs** · 03-22-2010, 01:04 PM

Thanks guys.

I have done a lot of reading but that is far from first hand knowledge and no one uses this stuff from what i have read like i an thinking about.

I was really just looking for a short burst to give me a nice kick in the gym. I have the tren and will probably end up using it or giving it away.

I was thinking about 100mg or less once a week but from what I have read may need 1/2 2x a week - i have seen both? I would go as low as 25-50 mg a week if anyone thinks it would give me a bump - or is that just stupid?

I really just want to add a minimal amount that will give me a slight kick for a minimal run that will be noticable for some strength/muscle gains - nothing heavy. I have no idea what a short cycle would be but was thinking just 6-8 maybe 12wks.

The doc knows nothing about this and won't. I am planning to do it after my next blood work which should give me plenty of time to run it, quite and be back to regular levels on my blood test after that (six months)

does this make any more sense or less?

**zaggahamma** · 03-22-2010, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by tubs

Thanks guys.

I have done a lot of reading but that is far from first hand knowledge and no one uses this stuff from what i have read like i an thinking about.

I was really just looking for a short burst to give me a nice kick in the gym. I have the tren and will probably end up using it or giving it away.

I was thinking about 100mg or less once a week but from what I have read may need 1/2 2x a week - i have seen both? I would go as low as 25-50 mg a week if anyone thinks it would give me a bump - or is that just stupid?

I really just want to add a minimal amount that will give me a slight kick for a minimal run that will be noticable for some strength/muscle gains - nothing heavy. I have no idea what a short cycle would be but was thinking just 6-8 maybe 12wks.

The doc knows nothing about this and won't. I am planning to do it after my next blood work which should give me plenty of time to run it, quite and be back to regular levels on my blood test after that (six months)

does this make any more sense or less?

yes youre making sense and sounds like youre reasonable...hang in there a bit and you'll get a few more ppl chiming in that have used tren or can tell you if those low doses will give u a tiny bit more anabolic effect than the test alone maybe with less sides since the dose is low...i dunno..i'll bump it for you..also curious...deca was my added compound when i was looking for wut you mention...much more recommended compound especially for adding a little with trt

**tubs** · 03-22-2010, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

yes youre making sense and sounds like youre reasonable...hang in there a bit and you'll get a few more ppl chiming in that have used tren or can tell you if those low doses will give u a tiny bit more anabolic effect than the test alone maybe with less sides since the dose is low...i dunno..i'll bump it for you..also curious...deca was my added compound when i was looking for wut you mention...much more recommended compound especially for adding a little with trt

thanks, I am in no hurry.

reason for tren is simple, i have it. Also when I read more up on it it seems like it could be good for another reason - it lowers blood sugar which is one of the reasons i would like to put some more muscle on in the first place.

if it works out well I may be interested in another boost with a low dose of deca or something else down the road.

**OCTOBER-2009** · 03-23-2010, 12:37 AM

I second the Anavar statement from vetteman. I ran 50 mg ED last summer with my HRT and loved it. I was strong, lean, and had that hard look while I was on it. Plus, it is a very mild oral and you keep 90% of your gains when your off of it.

Most of the weight you will gain on Tren is water weight, like Vetteman's friend that gained 30 lbs in 4 months. But if your only going to run 100mg a week for a "Slight Kick" I think you will be fine. Shit, I would run it, but I don't want to go bald. Tren is highly androgenic .

**tubs** · 03-23-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by OCTOBER-2009

I second the Anavar statement from vetteman. I ran 50 mg ED last summer with my HRT and loved it. I was strong, lean, and had that hard look while I was on it. Plus, it is a very mild oral and you keep 90% of your gains when your off of it.

Most of the weight you will gain on Tren is water weight, like Vetteman's friend that gained 30 lbs in 4 months. But if your only going to run 100mg a week for a "Slight Kick" I think you will be fine. Shit, I would run it, but I don't want to go bald. Tren is highly androgenic.

thanks
it does seem like 100mg of the tren would be a minimal does that would be worthwhile.

I have a lot i am going to think about - i wish i didn't have the tren sitting here

**Vettester** · 03-23-2010, 05:29 PM

Too much Tren and you'll look like the avatar pic of Oct-2009!

**zaggahamma** · 03-23-2010, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by tubs

thanks
it does seem like 100mg of the tren would be a minimal does that would be worthwhile.

I have a lot i am going to think about - i wish i didn't have the tren sitting here

was that an invitation

**Vettester** · 03-23-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

was that an invitation

You Tren Whore! You just want to go smoke some Tren at the casinos.

**zaggahamma** · 03-24-2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

You Tren Whore! You just want to go smoke some Tren at the casinos.

ROFLMAO

**RANA** · 03-25-2010, 05:12 PM

Tubs, I think some of the basic have been over looked.
What are your stats to include any previous cycle?

**tubs** · 03-25-2010, 05:24 PM

no other cycles

**RANA** · 03-25-2010, 05:25 PM

hgt?
wgt?
bf%?

**tubs** · 03-25-2010, 06:08 PM

6'2"
245
not sure

215 is a ideal weight for me

**RANA** · 03-25-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by tubs

6'2"
245
not sure

215 is a ideal weight for me

What do you think it might be? Can you see a 6-pack, 4-pack or non?

**tubs** · 03-25-2010, 06:33 PM

none - i have about 30 extra lbs. pretty much all in the mid section

weight training has been going great but I have a bad back and just started doing heavier hack/squats which really helps - no squats for me - do deads either

**RANA** · 03-25-2010, 06:38 PM

Before you attempt in taking tren you need to drop bf% because the sides will greatly increase. Read up a bit more on the diet section and also read up on tren: Am I ready for Tren?

**tubs** · 03-25-2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

Before you attempt in taking tren you need to drop bf% because the sides will greatly increase. Read up a bit more on the diet section and also read up on tren: Am I ready for Tren?

I did read your thread before

I will probably drop at least another 10 lbs before I would be taking it (if i do) - not planning to use it right away - looking for more info and planning right now.

I may just trade this for deca or pick up some deca and think about this at again some time down the road - like after my second blood test from now which would be about 8 or nine months from now. what do you think about that plan?

**RANA** · 03-25-2010, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by tubs

I did read your thread before

I will probably drop at least another 10 lbs before I would be taking it (if i do) - not planning to use it right away - looking for more info and planning right now.

I may just trade this for deca or pick up some deca and think about this at again some time down the road - like after my second blood test from now which would be about 8 or nine months from now. what do you think about that plan?

Actually, it's a great plan. Drop a few pounds and incorporate deca , you should see some nice gains. Don't forget the basics regarding caber/bromo

**tubs** · 03-25-2010, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

Actually, it's a great plan. Drop a few pounds and incorporate deca, you should see some nice gains. Don't forget the basics regarding caber/bromo

thanks

**tubs** · 03-27-2010, 04:04 PM

new thoughts, since a lot of guys seem to think the tren won't be a good match.

Methenolone Enanthate or Nandrolone Decanoate? or maybe one cycle of each then the tren? I know less about these then tren.

I would only do a cycle right after my blood test then if i wanted to do another cycle it would be about 6 or 12 months from the start of the first (after the next or second blood test) I guess i would have to see how the first cycle went before i set up plans for another but i like to plan ahead.

thoughts?