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    TRT becoming mainstream soon?

    Anybody else see? Commercial prime time t.v. on the history channel...Convincing men to a website to see if they are "LOW T"...

    ..think it was like lowT something or lowT.com and if my memory is correct the sponsor was avalon?

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    Saw that too however, it would seem that main stream media, and the people who listen to it, have a difficult time discerning between what is beneficial and what is abuse. As a result, I suspect it will likely be a *long* time before TRT is generally accepted and therefore become, "mainstream". After all, there are very big, powerful and wealthy companies who benefit greatly from all the number of ailments related to LowT and as a result, have little to no incentive to address it directly and will do whatever they can to protect that profit center. But I certainly hope I'm wrong.
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    There's obviously money to be made from treating the condition. With the social taboo being eroded by success stories of people like us, it's understandable that the focus is now shifting to the benefits of TRT instead of the stigmas of the past. The key for marketing purposes is to focus on men 40+ and to associate the treatment with vitality and virulence. The general public has no idea that the drug used to treat hypogonadism is the same AAS vilified by the media and legislators over the past couple of decades. It's all about the marketing.

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    and once it does become mainstream you can bet "T" in BIG BOLD LETTERS will be on the wall behind the pitcher in every world series!

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    As much as I want to believe "T" will become mainstream, it will be a LONG time before it is as generally accepted as Viagra or Cialis, etc. It's a simple matter of math and money. Why produce one drug to address a dozen or so *common* illnesses when you can produce tens if not hundreds. If you were to list all the symptoms associated with Low T and the drugs currently available to treat those symptoms, I'd be willing to gamble that annually, it's a *multibillion* dollar industry. Granted not all people who take these drugs suffer from LowT however, there is no doubt an increasing amount of estrogen and estrogen-like substances called xenoestrogens, in the world today. Not to be an alarmist but, I've even read reports that xenoestrogens are reaching "epidemic" proportions world wide. So the problem is only likely to get worse before it gets better. With that much money on the line, I can't see why they'd want to "cure" the goose that's laying the golden eggs.
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    I've been seeing those commercials for over a year now. Old guy dancing with old lady right? There was also one with old dude standing in front of a white screen and words come out like are you feeling, irritable, tired easy, etc etc.

    Because of the abuse potential, it will never be like cialis or viagra. You don't see commercials with happy people dancing around talking about how great oxycontin is. Way different I know but think about it. Test might sell a shit ton especially with hte explosion in popularity of HRT clinics, but it's never gonna be something all your PCPs are gonna just whip out their script pad for like they will with viagra, cialis, welbutrin, and other non habit forming / low side effect type meds.

    Just my 2 cents.

    That being said, I'm looking into the fastest route to become an LPN so I can open my own TRT clinic... very good money in it, and also can write scripts as needed :-)

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    It is catching on for people 40+. The problem is e2 will not be addressed. After a few years enough people will die of heart attack/stroke or have serious health problems to shut it down.

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    very good points all

    and yes war...that was it

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    I pulled up their site after seeing that commercial a few months ago. For therapies they put Gel at the top of the list, and they state that injections are given by your doctor every 1 to 2 weeks. They also show mood swings to be a possible side effect for injections.

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    I think it far more interesting that the television tabloid "E!" had a segment on HGH last night. The piece featured a hollywood fitness trainer who spoke about it's widespread use among celebrities in Hollywood (though he didn't mention any names). The show did mention the names however of 2 celebrities who make no bones about their use of the hormone and extoll its benefits, Sylvester Stallone and Suzanne Somers.

    I find it interesting that there seems to be a concerted effort at the moment to villainize the use of HGH even as the use of testosterone is being pushed as a treatment option for a condition that up until just recently was considered a normal part of the aging process.

    What it comes down to IMO is this: Insurance companies like any other business are in it for their own benefit, not for yours. The healthier you are, the more money they keep in their pockets. Science is providing proof of the health benefits of Testosterone and a simple cost/benefit analysis will drive the insurance companies to lobby the government to make changes to policy that will eventually lead to the widespread availability and use of the hormone under medical supervision. The same will happen to HGH eventually but not until the cost of manufacturing it comes down (too pricey for insurance companies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter2 View Post
    I think it far more interesting that the television tabloid "E!" had a segment on HGH last night. The piece featured a hollywood fitness trainer who spoke about it's widespread use among celebrities in Hollywood (though he didn't mention any names). The show did mention the names however of 2 celebrities who make no bones about their use of the hormone and extoll its benefits, Sylvester Stallone and Suzanne Somers.

    I find it interesting that there seems to be a concerted effort at the moment to villainize the use of HGH even as the use of testosterone is being pushed as a treatment option for a condition that up until just recently was considered a normal part of the aging process.

    What it comes down to IMO is this: Insurance companies like any other business are in it for their own benefit, not for yours. The healthier you are, the more money they keep in their pockets. Science is providing proof of the health benefits of Testosterone and a simple cost/benefit analysis will drive the insurance companies to lobby the government to make changes to policy that will eventually lead to the widespread availability and use of the hormone under medical supervision. The same will happen to HGH eventually but not until the cost of manufacturing it comes down (too pricey for insurance companies).
    i think you are saying the insurance companies will pay off the govt to make it harder for us/ppl to get our TRT meds

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees View Post
    As much as I want to believe "T" will become mainstream, it will be a LONG time before it is as generally accepted as Viagra or Cialis, etc. It's a simple matter of math and money. Why produce one drug to address a dozen or so *common* illnesses when you can produce tens if not hundreds. If you were to list all the symptoms associated with Low T and the drugs currently available to treat those symptoms, I'd be willing to gamble that annually, it's a *multibillion* dollar industry. Granted not all people who take these drugs suffer from LowT however, there is no doubt an increasing amount of estrogen and estrogen-like substances called xenoestrogens, in the world today. Not to be an alarmist but, I've even read reports that xenoestrogens are reaching "epidemic" proportions world wide. So the problem is only likely to get worse before it gets better. With that much money on the line, I can't see why they'd want to "cure" the goose that's laying the golden eggs.
    Nice post and right on target. Our protocols will never be mainstream unless they can find a way to make huge dollars out of it. It is the manufact's tht control the market, not the insurance co's (although they can delay, or push on manufact over another). The other thing that will push it forward is the current and growing avalanche of men who are on trt and who are looking to be on it. It is amazing to see. A drug co will get some new initials for it, remove steriod and testosterone from the language and it will look and sound a lot better to most people. That is the biggest problem we face isnt it? The terms we use to describe what we are doing and the negative images those terms create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    i think you are saying the insurance companies will pay off the govt to make it harder for us/ppl to get our TRT meds
    Nope. What I'm saying JP is: Insurance companies are beginning to understand the health benefits of testosterone therapy and how it may affect their bottom line.

    Put it this way, the average adult male will begin noticing the effects of decreased testosterone at around 35-40 years of age. Fatigue, getting ill more often, increased recovery time, moodiness, depression, slower healing from physical injuries, etc. All of this translates into a lot of money dished out by insurance companies toward doctor fees, prescription medications, and surgeries. All of this compounds as your age increases. Life expectancy for a male in the US is approx. 83 years. This means that you are a potential 43 year liability for an insurance company. If insurance companies see the possibility of shaving even 10 years off of that bill, they are going to jump at it. I believe that is what testosterone therapy will become for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReBilly View Post
    I've been seeing those commercials for over a year now. Old guy dancing with old lady right? There was also one with old dude standing in front of a white screen and words come out like are you feeling, irritable, tired easy, etc etc.

    Because of the abuse potential, it will never be like cialis or viagra. You don't see commercials with happy people dancing around talking about how great oxycontin is. Way different I know but think about it. Test might sell a shit ton especially with hte explosion in popularity of HRT clinics, but it's never gonna be something all your PCPs are gonna just whip out their script pad for like they will with viagra, cialis, welbutrin, and other non habit forming / low side effect type meds.

    Just my 2 cents.

    That being said, I'm looking into the fastest route to become an LPN so I can open my own TRT clinic... very good money in it, and also can write scripts as needed :-)

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    Sorry not LPN. I meant NPC lol

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    Eventually domestic violent types will get some T and their exploits will hit the news. It will fit right in with the stereotype of T = aggression/violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durak View Post
    eventually domestic violent types will get some t and their exploits will hit the news. It will fit right in with the stereotype of t = aggression/violence.
    good fn point

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    After reading the last few post, I'm beginning to rethink my position on this. I did in fact recently hear a radio show on Anti Aging about some international scientists concluding that delaying the aging process worldwide would actually lead to significant financial benefits. i.e. Keep'em healthy longer and you don't have the expenses of treating the diseases. They're currently calling on congress to address the issue. [click here to listen to a recording of the show.] Added to that the current interest in raising the retirement age and you now have congress on board. The question is who will win the battle between the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and politicians. Another benefit of keeping people healthy is improved productivity and less sick pay. That's good for the economy as well. As for the douche-bags giving HGH a bad name, the word going around right now about Mel Gibson's recent tirades is that it was because he's on HGH. Way to go Mel... Time to get that E2 checked.

    As it turns out, just yesterday I actually had a couple of encouraging experiences while sipping on my morning cup of coffee and flipping through the channels I stumble on the "Dr. Oz show". He's an MD who discusses all sorts of medical issues in ways the average person can understand. In this case, he'd chosen a couple audience members to undergo physicals and then explained the findings. To my surprise, he actually *did* include Total Testosterone ! Although there was still no mention of Estrogen. Ironically, and even more encouraging, while watching the show, I also leafed through a mailer for a household medical reference guide. It caught my eye when I noticed one section addressed not only Low T but *E2 dominance and Xenoestorgens*. Maybe there's hope after all.

    I scanned the article for reference incase anyone was interested. [See Attached]
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    My insurance company now pays for my T and that's it. Two years ago, they paid for 3 BP meds and 3 anti-depressants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    i think you are saying the insurance companies will pay off the govt to make it harder for us/ppl to get our TRT meds
    I'm not sure. Very easy to get cialis or viagra, and that is expensive.

    Out of pocket for Test cyp 200mg ew at costco = $54/mo... relatively inexpensive

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    i pay 10 bucks for 10ml test cyp watson

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    $17 for 10ml here

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    wow... It must be nice, I'm paying $100 for 10ml since I don't have insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    I'm not sure. Very easy to get cialis or viagra, and that is expensive.

    Out of pocket for Test cyp 200mg ew at costco = $54/mo... relatively inexpensive
    And you don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durak View Post
    And you don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy.
    nice to know...imma price them from know on....would you know theyre price per tablet or for 30 arimidex ?

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    Nope, not a clue about adex. If you want to go in just tell the guy at the door you are going to the pharmacy. By law they cannot control access to it or the eye dr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durak View Post
    And you don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy.
    Is that an Fla thing? I was paying about $115 10Ml bottle here in CA and that was with there pharmacy membership discount. It's not the same as the regular Costco membership, it's a separate deal. I'll have to check again.

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    No,

    Nationwide pharmacies and opticals in membership stores are required to give access to the public. They are not required to tell anyone though.

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    for people with valid prescriptions: I can give you names of some pharmacies that ship test and adex for good prices.

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    I may hit you up for that at some point... As for the price, I didn't noticed Times Roman said it was $54 a month, not vial. So he's paying the same amount.

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    Every costco and SAMs pharmacy has different prices. The same is true for walgreens too.
    You should be able to find 10ml around 60 if you shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees View Post
    wow... It must be nice, I'm paying $100 for 10ml since I don't have insurance.
    you could go black market pharma grade for alot cheaper

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    you could go black market pharma grade for alot cheaper
    Black market pharm = potential drug charge = loss of professional license = a hell of a lot more expensive than pharmacy prices and having a script.

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    The nice thing about TRT is it tends to be legal. No worrying about da man.

    Years ago black market would be ok. Today I would never risk the family, carrier, and life I have built to save a few bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular guy View Post
    Black market pharm = potential drug charge = loss of professional license = a hell of a lot more expensive than pharmacy prices and having a script.
    keep 4getting its highly illegal in the states lol, we can possess but not supply

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    keep 4getting its highly illegal in the states lol, we can possess but not supply
    The good news is, at my current dose, I'm getting 2.5 months out of one vial so that works out to only $40 a month. Since I've got the script, I might as well suck it up and pay the man to have piece of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees View Post
    The good news is, at my current dose, I'm getting 2.5 months out of one vial so that works out to only $40 a month. Since I've got the script, I might as well suck it up and pay the man to have piece of mind.
    You need better insurance. It works out to be under $5 a months with mine. and I have enough for a cycle ever 4 months. LOL

    PCT = TRT hehehehe

    Now if I could only get them to add some Deca or Tren to my TRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    You need better insurance. It works out to be under $5 a months with mine. and I have enough for a cycle ever 4 months. LOL

    PCT = TRT hehehehe

    Now if I could only get them to add some Deca or Tren to my TRT.
    I need insurance *period*! I'm paying out of pocket for everything because I currently "don't" have any.

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    A couple more signs HRT may be going mainstream: Just saw a commercial for Cenegenics [AA Clinic based out of Vegas, NV] on Speed TV. Also saw the article in Popular Science that someone else referenced today re: Genetically Engineering Certain Animals to Produce Pharm-Grade Meds [Including low cost HGH]. From the looks of the Cenegenics, commercial, soon we'll all be supermen who live well beyond 100 and look like Ah-nuld at age 30.

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