Nebido TRT

[jimmy79]

I'm getting my first shot of Nebido (Testosterone - Undecanoate) this Thursday.

Its a 4ml shot. I suspect its going to be painful.

What are other's experiences whom have started Nebido?

[lovbyts]

Why do you think that? If the doctor does a good job NO it should not be painful. MAKE him inject SLOW. Trust me, it makes a world of difference. By slow I mean 4 ml should take him 4+ minutes to inject. That seems like a long time but what is longer, 4-5 minutes to inject or 4 or 5 DAYS worth of SORE butt????

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ido&highlight=

[Far from massive]

Damn had never heard about Nebido,

Figures that our wimpy lawyer/special interest dominated media machine would water it down to 750mg instead of doing an investigation into the injection rates/techniques involved in the cough cases, I am just speculating of course but I bet technique is as much a culprit with this drug as any other coughing onset after AAS injection.

Thanks for the thread, the stuff looks really promising and in addition to the convenience of only having 4 ( or maybe 5 with the 750mg) injections per year, it should also be cheaper for the patient compared to weekly injections. This could be a huge advantage for people like me who would go on HRT but have no insurance so really don't wanna shell out 4-6 thousand a year on HRT and related costs.

[jimmy79]

Painless. Don't know why I worried :-)

[zaggahamma]

good to know

[flatscat]

please keep us updated in detail

[bd50]

is the nebido shot only once per month? and is it the entire 4ml in one shot?

thanks

[zaggahamma]

is the nebido shot only once per month? and is it the entire 4ml in one shot?

thanks

i believe its like only a couple times a year

[jimmy79]

every 10 weeks. entire 4ml is 1 shot.

[zaggahamma]

5 times a year...nice

[marcus300]

Every 10-12 (1000mgs 4ml) weeks depending on what your BW comes back with.

Mines every 12 wks

[flatscat]

And you think it is a worthwhile type of delivery Marcus?

[marcus300]

And you think it is a worthwhile type of delivery Marcus?

Delivery? yes of course ive not had a problem with the injections and many times ive put half in each bicep or delt, even if i put the whole volume in one area ive never had any issues.

This therapy is far superior than any other HRT therapy i've ever used and it will without doubt be the future of HRT IMHO.

[flatscat]

Then I guess the stability of your levels is g2g as well. Been waiting for it to hit the US market - friggen FDA. Thanks

[yoyoma1]

I'm a little confused about nebido.

what exactly is in the 4ml dose?

does the high amount of test injected all at once cause major sides? i'm prone to hairloss on test and would think one huge injection would cause me to go bald fast.

[zaggahamma]

I'm a little confused about nebido.

what exactly is in the 4ml dose?

does the high amount of test injected all at once cause major sides? i'm prone to hairloss on test and would think one huge injection would cause me to go bald fast.

its a different form of test..it isnt the same as like shooting 4ml of test cyp or enanth

[yoyoma1]

awesome, thanks

[jimmy79]

forum timed out.

[jimmy79]

Its been 2 weeks now since I had the 4ml shot. I feel awesome!
I started having a lot more energy after only about 2 days.
I feel more energized in the mornings and where I used to feel all tired and run-down I am now ready to face the world :P
Only 1 downside is my 2 little boys are about 1/2 the size they used to be.

Next shot in about 3.5 weeks.

/j

[marcus300]

Thats the magic of Nebido

[zaggahamma]

Thats the magic of Nebido

hence the new avy

[jimmy79]

Its been about 4 weeks after my first injection.

Do you guys think my testosterone levels are at its peak now? Will it go higher, stabilize or start going lower?
Does anyone have a graph for the Nebido absorption rate?

/j

[bass]

wow this sounds great! so this is not available in the US?!

Jimmy, the only way to find out your levels is to do a blood work. best of luck to you, i am really interested to read more about your experience with it.

[jimmy79]

NEW Blood work after 1 month of Nebido!!

Bloodwork Before(15 Oct 2010):
Total Testosterone 210 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 6.34 ng/dl
SHBG 19.8 nmol/l
Estradiol (E2) 18 pg/ml
Prolactin 3.8 ng/ml
IGF-1 (Somatomedin) 184 ug/l (115-307 ref range)
Weight: 70 (154 pounds)

Bloodwork Today:
Total Testosterone 488 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 15 ng/dl
SHBG 19.4 nmol/l
Estradiol (E2) 29 pg/ml
Prolactin 5.9 ng/ml
S-Albumin 45 g/L
Weight: 75 (165 pounds)

I wish I could explain how good I feel. I have definitely lost a certain amount of fat.
It is a pitty these labs here don't give reference ranges for all the tests. If someone could help me out?

/j

[zaggahamma]

no ref ranges but you listed the measurements(ng/dl, etc.) and the before numbers as well so we can see how the numbers improved and most importantly you can feel it....how often do you plan to do bloodwork...r u going to test bf%?..

like traditional trt injections where you hear of different doses and frequency....with this large shot (nebido) and its frequency of every 4 months?, are the doses also different per individual?

[marcus300]

You will need to do the loading phase before your running at peak, who h I presume your going to be having your second I section soon, its great to hear your feeling better. I have one injection every 12 and feel great.

[bass]

you lost fat and gained weight?! are you saying your gains are all muscle? do you expect your test levels to go up from here or they'll taper down?

NEW Blood work after 1 month of Nebido!!

Bloodwork Before(15 Oct 2010):
Total Testosterone 210 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 6.34 ng/dl
SHBG 19.8 nmol/l
Estradiol (E2) 18 pg/ml
Prolactin 3.8 ng/ml
IGF-1 (Somatomedin) 184 ug/l (115-307 ref range)
Weight: 70 (154 pounds)

Bloodwork Today:
Total Testosterone 488 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 15 ng/dl
SHBG 19.4 nmol/l
Estradiol (E2) 29 pg/ml
Prolactin 5.9 ng/ml
S-Albumin 45 g/L
Weight: 75 (165 pounds)

I wish I could explain how good I feel. I have definitely lost a certain amount of fat.
It is a pitty these labs here don't give reference ranges for all the tests. If someone could help me out?

/j

[jimmy79]

I found a graph on a medical site. It says the peak is at 10days. There after your T goes down very, very slowly. So I'm on my way down :-)
2nd shot in 2 weeks.

/j

[zaggahamma]

I found a graph on a medical site. It says the peak is at 10days. There after your T goes down very, very slowly. So I'm on my way down :-)
2nd shot in 2 weeks.

/j

thats interesting....peak in 10 days but after a month you were @ high 400's but feeling great...i'd like to know where you were around day 10...please keep us posted jimmy

[jimmy79]

I'm going to be in a different country at day 10 of my second shot. So I might be able to get BW done there, will try my best... otherwise its going to be Day 10 of my 3rd Shot :-)

I feel Super Fantastic! My best investment yet by far.

/j

[jimmy79]

The dosage stays the same for everybody. Just the frequency changes from 10 weeks minimum to 12 weeks maximum depending on your blood-work.

I read 1 research paper where they tested a frequency of 6 weeks and they said that the testosterone started accumulating because of the short intervals. I can't see the bad in that ;-)

I don't have a way to test bf%, but I will post before & after pictures next year some time.

[jimmy79]

2nd Shot was yesterday. 1/2 right side, 1/2 left side. I counted 39 days between the first and 2nd shot. (5.5 weeks?!)
I'm going on a 1-month traveling holiday so I don't know if I'll be in a gym much. Any tips? :-)

[zaggahamma]

2nd Shot was yesterday. 1/2 right side, 1/2 left side. I counted 39 days between the first and 2nd shot. (5.5 weeks?!)
I'm going on a 1-month traveling holiday so I don't know if I'll be in a gym much. Any tips? :-)

situps, pushups, jump rope, possibly dips

[jimmy79]

What everybody has been waiting for :-)
Got my 3rd Shot! Did my bloodwork 10 days after the shot so this should be my peak values. My Estrogen seems a bit high, should I be taking something for this or just leave it?

I have put the values that I had before starting Nebido last year between *'s.
Just to compare before & after Nebido.

Total Testosterone (8.0-27.1 nmol/l) 31.13 *7.31*
Free Testosterone(180-536 pmol/l) 940 *220*
Estradiol(28-156 pmol/l) 171 *68*
Prolactin(4.1-18.4 ng/mL) 16.4 *3.8*
Progesterone(0.7-4.7 nmol/l) 2.4 *1.3*
SHBG(11.4-52.3 nmol/l) 19.6 *19.8*
Somatomedin/IGF-1(115-307ug/l) 281 *184*
DHEA(3.0-13.0 umol/L) 3.4 *4.4*
Albumin(35-52 g/L) 42 *49*
FSH(1.2-15.8 IU/l) 0.2 *3.2*
LH(1.3-9.6 IU/l) 0.5 *4.7*
TSH(0.27-4.2 uIU/mL) 0.75 *1.24*
T3(3.8-6.0 pmol/L) 5.7 *4.8*
T4(10.16-22.00 pmol/L) 14.3 *17.7*
Cortisol@8am(142-651 nmol/l) 572 *494*
ACTH(1.6-13.9 pmol/l) 12.0 *4.7*
Ferritin(23.9-336.2 ng/mL) 74.7
Vitamin D (30-100 ng/mL) 25.5

My Testosterone looks pretty amazing for TRT. I'm just worried about the Prolactin and Estrogen. Any ideas?

I've started a prescription Vitamin D supplement today for that deficiency so that should be sorted out :P

Thyroid also seems to be going slower. hmmmm.. bad?

[jimmy79]

897ng/dl total testosterone ! :-)

[SlimmerMe]

What everybody has been waiting for :-)
Got my 3rd Shot! Did my bloodwork 10 days after the shot so this should be my peak values. My Estrogen seems a bit high, should I be taking something for this or just leave it?

I have put the values that I had before starting Nebido last year between *'s.
Just to compare before & after Nebido.

Total Testosterone (8.0-27.1 nmol/l) 31.13 *7.31*
Free Testosterone(180-536 pmol/l) 940 *220*
Estradiol(28-156 pmol/l) 171 *68*
Prolactin(4.1-18.4 ng/mL) 16.4 *3.8*
Progesterone(0.7-4.7 nmol/l) 2.4 *1.3*
SHBG(11.4-52.3 nmol/l) 19.6 *19.8*
Somatomedin/IGF-1(115-307ug/l) 281 *184*
DHEA(3.0-13.0 umol/L) 3.4 *4.4*
Albumin(35-52 g/L) 42 *49*
FSH(1.2-15.8 IU/l) 0.2 *3.2*
LH(1.3-9.6 IU/l) 0.5 *4.7*
TSH(0.27-4.2 uIU/mL) 0.75 *1.24*
T3(3.8-6.0 pmol/L) 5.7 *4.8*
T4(10.16-22.00 pmol/L) 14.3 *17.7*
Cortisol@8am(142-651 nmol/l) 572 *494*
ACTH(1.6-13.9 pmol/l) 54.8 *4.7*
Ferritin(23.9-336.2 ng/mL) 74.7
Vitamin D (30-100 ng/mL) 25.5

My Testosterone looks pretty amazing for TRT. I'm just worried about the Prolactin and Estrogen. Any ideas?

I've started a prescription Vitamin D supplement today for that deficiency so that should be sorted out :P

Thyroid also seems to be going slower. hmmmm.. bad?

Remember your TSH is read inversely ....so if you started out with 1.24 and now you are .75 your thyroid has actually gotten higher.....in TSH low means high and high means low

Your T3 has gotten higher ( read normally not inversely)
Your T4 has lowered ( read normally)

assuming your first BW is between the *astericks*

Hope this make sense......

[marcus300]

Once you have finished the loading phase and things have settled down your values should be within range. I told you it was amazing

[flatscat]

When is the FDA going to pull their head out? Geeze

[Spartans09]

I just took my first dose of nebido today and am excited. I'm not too familiar with ACTH-yours seems high. Any thoughts?
Also, have you thought about supplementing DHEA?