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    One week in - strange result?

    I am doing 400mg/week (200mg twice a week) and will be doing my third injection tomorrow. I have always heard that it could take a few weeks to feel anything, but the past two days (following my second shot on Sunday) I have had LOTS of energy. And today I feel hot. It actually feels a lot like when I did ephedrine back in the day. Yesterday I figured it was a fluke, but today it seems like I am trending.

    Did most everyone see their energy jump? And how soon?

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    You're doing cycle levels, so this might get a better answer in the steroid subforum as opposed to this one (for TRT therapy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    You're doing cycle levels, so this might get a better answer in the steroid subforum as opposed to this one (for TRT therapy).
    Thanks, I will do that.

    I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    Thanks, I will do that.

    I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.
    You are very lucky to have such a nice doc, those are cycle levels.

    Man, I know that I am destined to eventually be put on trt I can only hope that I get a doctor as nice as yours.

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    Talking to her was like talking to someone on this forum. Very knowledgable. She asked my how many cycles I had done and I honestly told her "none". Maybe she didn't believe me because I knew what I was talking about and the first thing I asked was if I could self inject. I can tell her goal is to keep me healthy, and she said that she would pull me back if I "shot up into the 2000s or something".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    Thanks, I will do that.

    I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.
    That's cool. But just realize that 400mg/week is not the top of the scale for TRT. It is well beyond it and it will put your T levels beyond the testable ranges of most labs. My T levels were 700 at around 150mg, and 1200+ around 225mg. Just keep that in mind, as you probably are going to need to bring it back down to a sustainable range after this burst cycle you're doing.

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    twas very soon for me...fountain of youth as i call it...big trt dose your doing...monitor your e2 soon and often...let us know your gains from your protocol good and bad hopefully mostly/all good

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    That's cool. But just realize that 400mg/week is not the top of the scale for TRT. It is well beyond it and it will put your T levels beyond the testable ranges of most labs. My T levels were 700 at around 150mg, and 1200+ around 225mg. Just keep that in mind, as you probably are going to need to bring it back down to a sustainable range after this burst cycle you're doing.
    Thank you for the info. I am calling her to clear this up. I didn't ask a lot of questions because I thought she was letting me self-regulate knowing that I might burst. My scrip is for 400mg/week, and when I asked about that she said she wanted to make sure the pharmacy didn't give me any problems if I wanted to "refill early". I am trying to find the level between being on a straight TRT and her giving me some flexibility. I want to do this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    Thank you for the info. I am calling her to clear this up. I didn't ask a lot of questions because I thought she was letting me self-regulate knowing that I might burst. My scrip is for 400mg/week, and when I asked about that she said she wanted to make sure the pharmacy didn't give me any problems if I wanted to "refill early". I am trying to find the level between being on a straight TRT and her giving me some flexibility. I want to do this right.
    as frawn stated...200mg is a high enough trt dose let alone 400mg.....if youre coming from low T levels you should feel great and able to make gains with anywhere from 100mg to 200mg ew...nice of the lady to write for more and u can fill and keep for rainy day

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    good to see a doctor helping you along your way. If only we all had this!

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    I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

    This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

    Thank you everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMB View Post
    You are very lucky to have such a nice doc, those are cycle levels.

    Man, I know that I am destined to eventually be put on trt I can only hope that I get a doctor as nice as yours.

    Ya ain't lieng bro lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

    This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

    Thank you everyone!
    Very glad to see you take this approach. It's like anything ... I have a car that will do 194mph, but 70 or 80 on any given day is the way I go. You can always push things up for awhile once you get everything dialed in and balanced a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    Very glad to see you take this approach. It's like anything ... I have a car that will do 194mph, but 70 or 80 on any given day is the way I go. You can always push things up for awhile once you get everything dialed in and balanced a little.
    That is why I am in the TRT section...I have been around long enough to have learned SOME lessons. Ten years ago it would have been different.

    Cars? Now you are talking my language. I am a car guy myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

    This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

    Thank you everyone!
    This is nice to hear for a change. Usually even the slightest suggestion of lowering the dosage turns some of these forum posters into instant D-bags. Glad to see you're smarter than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    This is nice to hear for a change. Usually even the slightest suggestion of lowering the dosage turns some of these forum posters into instant D-bags. Glad to see you're smarter than that.
    I came here to benefit from others' experience...it would be self defeating if I didn't listen to that experience. Right?

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    I'd say drop it down yourself and stockpile the rest like JPK said. You never know when you might need it.

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    good for you Johnny! and i am glad you have a doctor who is flexible! i am on my way to TRT so i am learning allot from these kinds of posts, so please keep us updated as i am following your thread! good luck with your TRT!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

    This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

    Thank you everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpkman View Post
    as frawn stated...200mg is a high enough trt dose let alone 400mg.....if youre coming from low T levels you should feel great and able to make gains with anywhere from 100mg to 200mg ew...nice of the lady to write for more and u can fill and keep for rainy day
    Just curious, average shelf life of test C/E is...?

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    An unpunctured vial can be good for years. It will gradually lose it's potency, but it's a very long process. Once you've punctured the seal though, I wouldn't recommend keeping it for more than a few months.

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    Thank you for the shelf life info. I was wondering that as well and hadn't searched for it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    An unpunctured vial can be good for years. It will gradually lose it's potency, but it's a very long process. Once you've punctured the seal though, I wouldn't recommend keeping it for more than a few months.
    Sounds like my dating life style.


    For the OP how did you form that type of relationship with your DR? I think you found a 1 in a million dr

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    Quote Originally Posted by werms View Post
    For the OP how did you form that type of relationship with your DR? I think you found a 1 in a million dr
    Just lucky. This is the first place I went, and she was the first doctor I talked with. I went there because I know someone in their admin department. This is speculation, but she may have thought I was lying when I said I hadnt cycled. She probably gave me more flexibility then I should have been given.
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    Wednesday night I dropped back to 100mg and will continue on 200mg/week until I get blood tests done.

    Energy boost went away after a few days. May have been the Test, may have been mental. Who knows.

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    I need to see a doc too man... im in vegas ...
    hook a brotha up johnny !

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    The woman I dealt with left, and I don't know if their replacement will be as flexible. I hope they don't start pushing gels or pellets. I am sending you a PM with contact info. Let me know what they say.

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