My TRT Script!

**zaggahamma** · 01-04-2011, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by bass

i did it! my first injection, it wasn't bad at all, it took me 30 seconds looking at the damn needle aiming at my ass then wam...no problem. little sore though!

you doin both test and deca in same pin??? take your anavar yet??

**emmett** · 01-04-2011, 07:14 PM

Good Luck Bass. Keep us posted.

**bass** · 01-04-2011, 07:36 PM

yea same pin! 1cc test and 1/2cc deca . and yes i took the anavar as well, am i supposed to feel something immediate? i also injected 1cc B12...

Originally Posted by jpkman

you doin both test and deca in same pin??? take your anavar yet??

Thanks Emmett!

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-04-2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by bass

i did it! my first injection, it wasn't bad at all, it took me 30 seconds looking at the damn needle aiming at my ass then wam...no problem. little sore though!

Same thing happened to me. I stared at it for a while and started sweating...then jammed it in expecting to scream and pass out from the pain, only to find out that it was the most anticlimactic thing I have ever done. I have never had soreness, but you are injecting two compounds and more volume than me.

**flatscat** · 01-04-2011, 09:09 PM

Guess you didn't take my advise Bass. Please keep us posted as to what you are feeling and how things are progressing. I know you are going to see some amazing results. And yes, I am jealous.

**emmett** · 01-04-2011, 09:57 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but will this script just bring your levels back to norm or will you actually post gains (lean muscle, fat loss)? Any info from anyone will help me as I decide whether or not to follow through with a clinic. I had my blood test a couple days ago and am waiting to get the results and talk with the clinic. Maybe I should start a thread with my questions.

**bass** · 01-04-2011, 11:55 PM

Two reasons, one I don’t want to screw with their script so they can keep working with me, secondly I wanted deca to help with my joint pain!

Originally Posted by flatscat

Guess you didn't take my advise Bass. Please keep us posted as to what you are feeling and how things are progressing. I know you are going to see some amazing results. And yes, I am jealous.

**lifeforce0019** · 01-05-2011, 12:00 AM

Congrats Bass! I am looking forward to follow your progress!

**zaggahamma** · 01-05-2011, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by emmett

Excuse my ignorance, but will this script just bring your levels back to norm or will you actually post gains (lean muscle, fat loss)? Any info from anyone will help me as I decide whether or not to follow through with a clinic. I had my blood test a couple days ago and am waiting to get the results and talk with the clinic. Maybe I should start a thread with my questions.

you can post gains on normal/low doses of test let alone higher levels including stacking them with several other compounds...your post was not out of line/hijacking...lot to learn with just reading posts in this forum if you have questions relating to hrt

**zaggahamma** · 01-05-2011, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by bass

yea same pin! 1cc test and 1/2cc deca . and yes i took the anavar as well, am i supposed to feel something immediate? i also injected 1cc B12...

Thanks Emmett!

nope just happy

**frawnz** · 01-05-2011, 06:36 AM

Congrats Bass. Keep us posted on your results!

**bass** · 01-05-2011, 09:42 AM

my second day since my first injection, just took my second dose of anavar , nothing to report at this point. but wanted to mention that i am not doing any lifting, i like to have my aching body recover a little then hit the gym hard. i have to say though, my body always felt sore as if it never recovers from workouts, last night i felt less pain, i am hoping for all the pain to disappear within 2 to 3 weeks, then hit the gym. right now just watching what i eat and cardio.

**Triple Stack** · 01-05-2011, 10:01 AM

The Deca will take about a month to kick in but after that your joint pains will disappear...Deca is wonderful for joint lubrication. You'll feel young again at the gym. In my opinion you won't really feel much from the Anavar for a couple weeks, but after a month when all the other compounds kick in you'll feel "strong like bull"!

I just got back today from the urologist's office for a follow-up. He gave me an "injection tutorial" (I played dumb) and then he gave me my shot of test cyp....with an 18 guage needle! He was ready to do it in my shoulder & I said "no way not with that harpoon!" haha so I got the boot in the butt. The doc said he ran out of smaller guage needles and agreed it was a little big...but it didn't hurt though, I was surprised. Maybe he wanted to test my resolve LOL

Welcome to the wonderful world of TRT!

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-05-2011, 10:38 AM

I pull with an 18g and wouldn't want it stuck in me anywhere.

**zaggahamma** · 01-05-2011, 11:10 AM

18 fvck that

**bass** · 01-05-2011, 08:45 PM

speaking of needles, i injected last Tuesday testosterone /deca and Vitamin b12 in the same general area, i am still sore not terribly sore but its more noticeable today. is this normal to take this long?

**Triple Stack** · 01-06-2011, 06:52 AM

Yes, I think so. For me the day of the shot everything is fine. Then the next day it may get sore & the 2nd day peaks. But Test E & Deca are smooth so I don't usually get sore (anymore). I think you're sore because it's "virgin muscle" you injected into for the first time. Just keep note of redness, swelling & lumps because that can indicate infection. But I think you are fine.

PS - I never injected B12 so maybe that is causing some soreness?

Note: Short estered compounds like Test Propionate & Tren Acetate can hurt like a mofo. I took both those over the summer and could barely walk for 2-3 days after injection. What really sucked is you have to pin that stuff at least every other day! Deca and Test Enanthate /Cypionate are known to be relatively smooth.

**frawnz** · 01-06-2011, 06:53 AM

Yes. It's basically a deep internal bruise. Think of how a normal bruise on your body would be. Are you doing the b12 sub-q or IM? Unless you're mixing it with your T, I'd do it sub-q with an insulin needle in your belly.

**frawnz** · 01-06-2011, 06:55 AM

Also, I find that injecting very slowly and then massaging the area afterwards for a few minutes really helps prevent any soreness. I also put the needle in and pull the needle out VERY slowly, and 95% of the time I don't even get a single drop of blood at the injection spot.

**bigdug** · 01-06-2011, 09:31 AM

Right on bass! Sometimes soreness comes from moving the needle around while you push the plunger. Happens to me somtimes. Also your body might not be used to the esters/alcohol in the test. After a couple of times it'll be like brushing your teeth and no soreness. I would be aspirating though, geezing even a little test in a blood vessel is somewhat uncomfortable. Keep us posted on your gains bass. Good luck.

**bass** · 01-06-2011, 09:45 AM

thanks for the info guys, this morning its even more sore but only when i put pressure on the muscle. test/deca i used 1.5" needle and for B12 1" needle and both the same area Q2 upper outer quadrant, but not the same spot! and according to the instruction both are to me IM injections. i asked my coordinator and he said yes its normal to get some soreness, but i didn't expect it to get more noticeable day after day. there is no redness or swelling just tender when i put pressure on it.

**APIs** · 01-06-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by frawnz

Also, I find that injecting very slowly and then massaging the area afterwards for a few minutes really helps prevent any soreness. I also put the needle in and pull the needle out VERY slowly, and 95% of the time I don't even get a single drop of blood at the injection spot.

This is exactly what I do also. Most of the time, very little blood comes out.

**APIs** · 01-06-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by bass

thanks for the info guys, this morning its even more sore but only when i put pressure on the muscle. test/deca i used 1.5" needle and for B12 1" needle and both the same area Q2 upper outer quadrant, but not the same spot! and according to the instruction both are to me IM injections. i asked my coordinator and he said yes its normal to get some soreness, but i didn't expect it to get more noticeable day after day. there is no redness or swelling just tender when i put pressure on it.

Stick with the delts. I get soreness using any other spot. The delts are big enough to where you can vary the injection site enough to avoid over scarring.

**Black** · 01-06-2011, 03:21 PM

I fail to see the excitement. If you truly suffer from hypogonadism/low testosterone , then this "clinic" is not helping you. They are just making money off you.

Were there any tests done to determine if you are primary or secondary?

Starting Test Cyp, Deca and Anavar as your initial TRT is ridiculous. You just paid for an expensive cycle.

**zaggahamma** · 01-06-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

I fail to see the excitement. If you truly suffer from hypogonadism/low testosterone , then this "clinic" is not helping you. They are just making money off you.

Were there any tests done to determine if you are primary or secondary?

Starting Test Cyp, Deca and Anavar as your initial TRT is ridiculous. You just paid for an expensive cycle.

he went thru all the tests with his regular physicians and was dead ended as a lot of patients find....

expensive is relative imho...how much do/should we pay for optimum health..

**bass** · 01-06-2011, 04:29 PM

you are correct when you say the clinic is making money off of me, i expected that anyway. but like jpkman said, my doc and insurance didn't want to do anything about it so i went to a next best thing, keep it safe and legal! most likely I’ll run this as a cycle and do PCT because its very expensive to continue for the rest of my life. may be do it once a year!

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

I fail to see the excitement. If you truly suffer from hypogonadism/low testosterone , then this "clinic" is not helping you. They are just making money off you.

Were there any tests done to determine if you are primary or secondary?

Starting Test Cyp, Deca and Anavar as your initial TRT is ridiculous. You just paid for an expensive cycle.

**Black** · 01-06-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

he went thru all the tests with his regular physicians and was dead ended as a lot of patients find....

expensive is relative imho...how much do/should we pay for optimum health..

There is no price for true TRT. However, he stated he's going to use it as a cycle and run PCT. Thus, making it an expensive cycle. And you can put a price on that.

Adding compounds later after you find your sweet spot is understandable. But to initally start with three compounds when consistent blood levels should be established first? Come on jpkman, you've been around here long enough to know that's ridiclous.

Originally Posted by bass

you are correct when you say the clinic is making money off of me, i expected that anyway. but like jpkman said, my doc and insurance didn't want to do anything about it so i went to a next best thing, keep it safe and legal! most likely I’ll run this as a cycle and do PCT because its very expensive to continue for the rest of my life. may be do it once a year!

So you have low test as determined by your doctor/physician and you are going to run this TRT script once a year? So the rest of the year you are going to have low test? PCT will do nothing if you are already shutdown. Just because it comes from a "clinic" doesn't mean it is actual testosterone replacement therapy. People of all types wander this forum. This goes against TRUE trt and just confuses people trying to learn.

To each their own, I don't care what you do. However, this should be in the Anabolic forum, not the HRT forum.

**zaggahamma** · 01-06-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

There is no price for true TRT. However, he stated he's going to use it as a cycle and run PCT. Thus, making it an expensive cycle. And you can put a price on that.

Adding compounds later after you find your sweet spot is understandable. But to initally start with three compounds when consistent blood levels should be established first? Come on jpkman, you've been around here long enough to know that's ridiclous.

So you have low test as determined by your doctor/physician and you are going to run this TRT script once a year? So the rest of the year you are going to have low test? PCT will do nothing if you are already shutdown. Just because it comes from a "clinic" doesn't mean it is actual testosterone replacement therapy. People of all types wander this forum. This goes against TRUE trt and just confuses people trying to learn.

To each their own, I don't care what you do. However, this should be in the Anabolic forum, not the HRT forum.

yes...i DO think its best to find/know your trt sweetspot and doing so in the beginning would be best but i dont see this as a full cycle...i see it as a stacked anti aging hrt....reminds me of one of our previous posters that was running an even stronger protocol...i would call that more of a cycle...cant remember his name...zona dave? no, maybe someone before that...dayam youre right i have been on this board a long time...lol...
so agree and disagree...
i think the post belongs here and will provide a lot to learn from

**Triple Stack** · 01-06-2011, 07:10 PM

Bass, I've followed some of your other posts and see that you are genuinely supressed. Maybe that SARMS cycle did it, IDK but you're going to feel like shit even after PCT, that's what was happening with me. My body threw in the towel from the abuse...you should talk to the clinic & tell them that after this "cycle" you wish to continue your therapy at a conventional dose of like only 200mg a week test cyp. See what they say since it's a free market, and there are other clinics like mine that will accommodate you. It will be much easier on the wallet too.

**bass** · 01-06-2011, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Triple Stack

Bass, I've followed some of your other posts and see that you are genuinely supressed. Maybe that SARMS cycle did it, IDK but you're going to feel like shit even after PCT, that's what was happening with me. My body threw in the towel from the abuse...you should talk to the clinic & tell them that after this "cycle" you wish to continue your therapy at a conventional dose of like only 200mg a week test cyp. See what they say since it's a free market, and there are other clinics like mine that will accommodate you. It will be much easier on the wallet too.

thanks TS! i will only stop TRT if i can't afford it! i believe i stated this in my other thread "Coming off TRT", i just want to know my options ahead of time in case i have to make that decision! i went with this clinic because they handled my case more professionally than the rest i've communicated with, so this way i can learn and hopefully at one point i'll do this on my own and with the help of this forum!

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-07-2011, 12:32 AM

Why do PCT at the end when you can just go back to a typical TRT dosage? Is that what is normally done?

**bass** · 01-07-2011, 10:01 AM

the bottom line is money! no money no TRT! so living with little test is better than living with no test! also depends on blood results, if my PSA shows any increase in levels i will definitely stop and go see my doc. but of all is good and money is there then forward we go!

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-07-2011, 10:37 AM

Onward and upward, my friend. Are you going to do PCT, or just drop down to 200mg/week to stabilize?

**bass** · 01-07-2011, 11:34 AM

i am on 200mg ew now, PCT is only for plan ahead purposes. i am hoping to stay on TRT for as longs as i possibly can. again all that is dependent on money and blood work results. i am planing to do blood work 6 weeks into TRT to see where everything is, like total test, free test, PSA, Kidney and Liver Function, Estrogen Level and Cholesterol levels. i will post the results here, in fact i intend to post my whole experience here to help others learn more and better plan their TRT.

**bass** · 01-07-2011, 11:41 AM

BTW, the soreness form the shot is fading away! Also like to mention i wasn't planing to do any lifting until all muscle soreness is gone, but being addicted to lifting i couldn't hold back, so i did biceps and back, i did noticed less pain during workout, hopefully this will improve when the deca kicks in in few weeks!

**zaggahamma** · 01-07-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by bass

i am on 200mg ew now, PCT is only for plan ahead purposes. i am hoping to stay on TRT for as longs as i possibly can. again all that is dependent on money and blood work results. i am planing to do blood work 6 weeks into TRT to see where everything is, like total test, free test, PSA, Kidney and Liver Function, Estrogen Level and Cholesterol levels. i will post the results here, in fact i intend to post my whole experience here to help others learn more and better plan their TRT.

please explain

**Triple Stack** · 01-07-2011, 12:23 PM

I think he means, "Plan B: I ran out of money or clinic won't prescribe anymore, so I got to try & kick start my balls into making some test - emergency contingency plan"!

My thoughts are after this "cycle", dry out for a month. Then get bloodwork done when you are totally shut down and go back to your doc when the report shows your test levels are like 50. They'll probably put you on something then!

The doc didn't prescribe it before because you were low normal at 299. They seem to only care about the number and are suspicious and scared of steroid use .

But tell them you have a headache and they'll write you a script for some oxycontins. Or tell them your 7 yr old child is a little hyper and they'll give him amphetamines (adderall) no questions asked. Go figure.

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-07-2011, 01:42 PM

Hopefully cost doesn't become an issue. I am one Test Cyp and HCG and the price isn't bad. It is nothing like what you got a scrip for. Plus, I can't imagine you can stay on that dosage for more than a "blast", right?

**bass** · 01-07-2011, 02:44 PM

Right on Triple Stack! my doc said he has no problem prescribing testosterone but in a gel form, i said no i want injections, he replied "i will never prescribe injections for you" so thats what is scaring me, if i let my self completely shut down then i may not be able to get back to my base line, probably won't even with PCT! then I'll have no choice but to nag him until he gives in!

Johnny, i don't quite get your question! regarding the "blast" you are right, the initial script is ridiculously high, but for continued therapy i don't think they'll keep on on var and deca , probably more like you with test and hCG .