Got my blood results back from the dr... Is my free test on the low side???

[biobest692]

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[zaggahamma]

yup 2.2 pg/ml from the bottom of the range

[biobest692]

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[zaggahamma]

What do you suggest i do?

Symptoms i feel: Low libido, no morning wood, have a hard time getting/maintaining an erection, fatigue, depression...

doctor bro...

how long problem goin on?

i should add after i reread your post...you'll prolly get more advice in the pct section/forum

[biobest692]

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[SlimmerMe]

Problem has been going on for months... since before doing a PH cycle

lol aas section told me to come here. I just figured there would be more veterans here

And doctor wont do this because i'm in the "normal" range. It doesnt make sense to me; if a 65 yr old male has a free test level of 10.8 its normal. If my levels are 10.8, its also normal. WTF?!

Anyways, doctor sent a letter along with the blood results stating "everything is in normal ranges, and there is no problem" blah blah blah

'tis me....I suggested he come here. I was thinking that you guys here might be able to zone in on what he needs since ths forum is kinda a close knit forum and he could get more attention here than the aas forum where threads move so much faster and OP could get lost in the shuffle.

[steroid.com 1]

Your FT is low, especially for someone your age. No libido and no AM erection is a problem for someone your age. You need to find an MD who specializes in HRT only. You can probably find one here in South FLA who would consult and prescribe over the phone with blood results and a physical in your local area. They'd help you...

[zaggahamma]

Your FT is low, especially for someone your age. No libido and no AM erection is a problem for someone your age. You need to find an MD who specializes in HRT only. You can probably find one here in South FLA who would consult and prescribe over the phone with blood results and a physical in your local area. They'd help you...

he's 21...might be tough

[zaggahamma]

'tis me....I suggested he come here. I was thinking that you guys here might be able to zone in on what he needs since ths forum is kinda a close knit forum and he could get more attention here than the aas forum where threads move so much faster and OP could get lost in the shuffle.

the only advice we could give him here is to see doctor(s) he speaks of a pct attempt but still feeling shut down

[flatscat]

Is that all of the bw you had done? Or is there more results you didnt post? Something is taking up your free t.

[biobest692]

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[SlimmerMe]

POST EVERYTHING YOU HAVE Please....All of your BW since you just never know what might help figure this out.
Put it all in one post to help......perhaps edit the first post and put it all there? Thanks

[biobest692]

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[stevey_6t9]

SHBG? albumin?

[flatscat]

^^^ thats what i was looking for - first place to look when your total t is okay and free t is low. Doubt your E2 is high, but would like to see that as well. What kind of Doc is it?

[SlimmerMe]

TSH 2.200 uIU/mL (.27 - 4.2)

your thyroid is a little low it seems. And when you read the "TSH" it is interpreted inversely. And although you are in the middle range right now, some people like to get the actual number down lower closer to the .27 as shown in your reference range. This is not something to worry about right now but if your number continues to go up ( which means lower thyroid actually ) then your energy will go down along with depression.

So bottom line: keep monitoring this.

[chicolifter123]

i had a similar problem, i used lots of prohormones and did a cycle of test when i was 19-20, then about 6 months after stopping all that i started getting symptoms of low test. my test ended up being extremely low, and now i'm on hrt. so basically at this point you'll have a very difficult, if not impossible, time getting an endocrinologist to even see you considering your test levels are within normal ranges and because of your age. however, i would continue to monitor your test levels, like getting another blood test in a couple months. at that point, if your levels continue to drop then you'll know that there is an issue and will be able to get a specialist to see you.

[chicolifter123]

also, your TSH being at 2.2 is perfectly normal and is actually quite good, so i disagree with other posters that this is of any concern. the only time it should be of any concern to you is if your level is at the very high end of the range, such as above 4.0, and a doctor will only be concerned with levels at the very high end of the range or above the range. doctors often see people with numbers well above the range, anywhere from 5.0 up to 11.0 and on.

[zaggahamma]

also, your TSH being at 2.2 is perfectly normal and is actually quite good, so i disagree with other posters that this is of any concern. the only time it should be of any concern to you is if your level is at the very high end of the range, such as above 4.0, and a doctor will only be concerned with levels at the very high end of the range or above the range. doctors often see people with numbers well above the range, anywhere from 5.0 up to 11.0 and on.

not being read on thyroid i'd like to bump this for the OP as we push to be treated for our SYMPTOMS and demand optimal health/well being...we dont settle for WHAT a doctor may or may not be concerned with....if a lot of us just left the docs office with our tail between our legs and/or a sore arse we'd still be suffering

[SlimmerMe]

also, your TSH being at 2.2 is perfectly normal and is actually quite good, so i disagree with other posters that this is of any concern. the only time it should be of any concern to you is if your level is at the very high end of the range, such as above 4.0, and a doctor will only be concerned with levels at the very high end of the range or above the range. doctors often see people with numbers well above the range, anywhere from 5.0 up to 11.0 and on.

From Life Extension Magazine which personally I think is a great source.

I DO NOT WANT TO SCARE OP.....just keep an eye on it. That's all. Wish I did earlier in life.
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In reality, a TSH reading of more than 2.0 may indicate lower-than-optimal thyroid hormone levels. Patients in this group have an increased chance of developing frank hypothyroidism (a TSH greater than 5.5) and may also suffer from symptoms such as depression and weight gain. One study found that TSH levels of more than 4.0 are associated with increased risk of heart disease (Hak AE et al 2000).

According to a study reported in Lancet, one of the world’s leading medical journals, various “normal” TSH ranges may actually be associated with adverse health outcomes (Dayan CM et al 2002):

TSH greater than 2.0: increased 20-year risk of hypothyroidism and increased risk of thyroid autoimmune disease
TSH greater than 4.0: greater risk of heart disease
TSH between 2.0 and 4.0: cholesterol levels decline in response to T4 therapy

[zaggahamma]

interesting...my only test was just b4 trt and it was 1.99....i'd like to redo and see where i am now....wonder if thats an expensive lab

[chicolifter123]

not being read on thyroid i'd like to bump this for the OP as we push to be treated for our SYMPTOMS and demand optimal health/well being...we dont settle for WHAT a doctor may or may not be concerned with....if a lot of us just left the docs office with our tail between our legs and/or a sore arse we'd still be suffering

im not doubting that he is experiencing some symptoms of low test or perhaps hypothyroidism, im simply pointing out that a doctor will not consider medicating a person with blood levels well within the normal range. the reality is that every persons body is different, and what is normal for one person may not be for another. nonetheless, doctors will follows those tests, even if you think you need medication. Theres too much risk for malpractice and such, especially if providing a person that young with those medications. therefore, since your testosterone and LH are perfectly normal, and you are 21, you will never find a doctor to prescribe anything. the same goes for your TSH as well. I would recommend giving your body more time to recover, it can take a very long time for your HPTA to fully recover after being shut down, even a year. i would definately get more bloodwork in a couple months.

[flatscat]

Wrong - there are doc's who would treat him. Not saying he needs it, but they are out there.

[zaggahamma]

never even gave the thyroid much lookin into..but being at 1.99 so thats far from optimal and/or i could maybe get more metabolism/energy from some what, armour?

[SlimmerMe]

here is a bit of thyroid info which might help a bit

Chico is right in the fact that many docs will not prescribe thyroid medication easily. As a matter of fact many will not prescribe even if a TSH level is 4.0 as it is in the range and considered normal.

But we here all know what normal means. "Normal" does not address the symptoms. And symptoms of low thyroid are fatigue, depression, weight gain and many others.

As a matter of fact the BW range levels were just changed not too long ago. The range levels were lowered since many docs realized that the previous range levels were not truly indicating whether or not someone is hypothyroid (low is hypo and high is hyper).

As as far as medicating, this is another controversial issue. Armour thyroid was on the market for years. I bet many of your grandparents used Armour. Armour is the thyroid from the pig which is the most similar to the human thyroid and is called desiccated porcine thyroid; as other brands too like Westhroid, Naturthyroid and Erfa. These all contain T3 and T4. This is why so many feel better on Armour or equivalent.

Synthroid which is what the majority of docs prescribe is only t4 and is supposed to convert to T3. Many people do not make this conversion. So they need some t3 too. Cytomel is the synthetic version of t3. T3 is responsible for energy and metabolism.

I have tried: Armour, Synthroid, and Cytomel. Both separate and combined. The jury is still out as to what works best for me. I never thought I would say this, but I actually think i prefer the combo of Synthroid and Cytomel. Reason being: I can determine how much T3 I want to add on my own.

There are some great sites both on FB and many other sites where there is constant controversy as to what good thyroid levels are as well as what medications work. Many docs opposed Armour for the reason that it was not quality controlled: as in where the pigs came from nor the exact amount of t3 t4 being consistent from batch to batch. Many people accuse Synthroid of kicking Armour off the market. And Armour was off the market for awhile but back on now. But reformulated now which has upset longtime users as they feel it is not the same as before. There is a whole story about that I will not go into right now.

Bottom line: Keep monitoring your thyroid levels.

[flatscat]

I was referring to docs not treating him with regards to his testosterone numbers, not thyroid numbers. Just to clarify.

I need to look up my ths numbers never really paid any attention to it.

[SlimmerMe]

I was referring to docs not treating him with regards to his testosterone numbers, not thyroid numbers. Just to clarify.

I need to look up my ths numbers never really paid any attention to it.

I realize that....