Joint pain

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-07-2011, 06:50 AM

Been noticing the past week or so that my elbow and knees have been a little sore. I know its not from lifting because I took 10 days off and just got back into the gym yesterday. I am also experiencing some lower back pain. Of course I experienced this usually when I was heavier because of the added weight I was carrying on. Does anybody have any idea about this? I know some people mention taking Deca for joint pain, but what kind of pain is it that makes you think its the test doing it and that maybe you just didn't do something to the joint. I go back to the doctor at the end of this month to see if I finally got my estrogen down. So if I need to ask him about Deca I would like to know ahead of time.

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 06-07-2011, 07:21 AM

In your case, forget about Deca and look at your E2 levels. Your joint pain is something new and not stress related. E2 is often the problem in cases like this. Here is the problem though; it could be high E2 or low E2. I have experienced joint pain from both extremes.

If you have been working to get your E2 down, I assume you are taking an AI. That would lead me to believe you have gotten your E2 too low.

**lovbyts** · 06-07-2011, 07:45 AM

Agreed, no deca . You are only 32 so the joint pain should not be normal. Have you gotten your BF down since your post/pictures around Feb 2010? Yes E2 is a consideration. You might try taking an aspirin every day also and make sure you drink plenty of water.

**DragonRider** · 06-07-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

If you have been working to get your E2 down, I assume you are taking an AI. That would lead me to believe you have gotten your E2 too low.

That would be my guess too.

**Braveone** · 06-07-2011, 09:07 AM

I cycled a dry compound once and the low estro made my joints (shoulders) feel like they had glass in them. Hurt so bad I had to bail on the cycle midway. Get some chon/gluc compound or cissus. Or try creatine to draw some water back into the sockets. Only wet compounds for me from now on. Bring on da bloat lol.

**APIs** · 06-07-2011, 12:09 PM

x 2 on the Estro. I noticed having just a few extra aches & pains then my lastest Estradiol came back as being 18 & Total was 71. My Dr. wasnt concerned though. I don't know if it's necessarily connected, but just food for thought...

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-07-2011, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Agreed, no deca. You are only 32 so the joint pain should not be normal. Have you gotten your BF down since your post/pictures around Feb 2010? Yes E2 is a consideration. You might try taking an aspirin every day also and make sure you drink plenty of water.

I am at 18.5% at 260lbs. I had it checked when I went in for my metabolic testing. She measure...quad, back, side(right above hip bone) and one other spot but I cannot remember where. I can't seem to lose any weight in my upper body. I carry all of my weight in my back, love handles, chest and stomach. My legs are in okay shape...not great by any means, but not fat either.

I will try and post some pics up if I can.

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-07-2011, 12:40 PM

Can anybody tell me how to upload an image saved on my computer.

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-07-2011, 02:17 PM

Here are pics of me right now. Sitting at 260lbs. Been on TRT for about 8 weeks here.

**bass** · 06-07-2011, 02:39 PM

the pain you describe i get from the AI (adex to be specific), but like said above E2 can give you these pains, and yes drink plenty of water, it helps! what is your protocol BTW?

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-07-2011, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by bass

the pain you describe i get from the AI (adex to be specific), but like said above E2 can give you these pains, and yes drink plenty of water, it helps! what is your protocol BTW?

200 mgs Test Cyp every week
.25mg Anastrazole every other day
10mg of Tamoxifen on shot day only

Many have said the Tamoxifen does not do anything, but I thought I might as well take it since the doc prescribed it and its only once a week.

I do have HCG , but I have not had any problems right now, so I am holding off on taking that.

When i first started I was not on an AI. Went back after 6 weeks and my estrogen was at 51. Talked to the doctor about Arimidex and he prescribed it for me. I am trying to get my estrogen down right now from the 51. I go back to the doctor on the 23rd of this month so we will see. If it goes down I may start the HCG since so many people recommend it.

**bass** · 06-07-2011, 03:11 PM

E2 at 51 is not bad after 6 weeks of TRT! maybe you're one of those guys that doesn't need much AI... definitely get your E2 level checked again to see where its at, then adjust form there. other than that i don't know what else it could be. does high RBC cause any joint pain?

**SergeantCarbs** · 06-07-2011, 04:27 PM

Not meant to be discouraging but I think your a lot higher then 18%. You may want to consider trying a different method of body fat testing for a comparison.

**NOSUPERMODEL** · 06-08-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by SergeantCarbs

Not meant to be discouraging but I think your a lot higher then 18%. You may want to consider trying a different method of body fat testing for a comparison.

I have had a lot of people tell me that before. I had it tested several times with calipers by different people. The only way I guess I could get a true reading would be to do it in water.

**double chicken** · 06-09-2011, 07:03 AM

I will be starting TRT next month. I have low T but havent had my E2 checked. I am just curious since I havent started TRT if my horrible joint pains are more likey from high E2, low E2, or is there no way of knowing?

**zaggahamma** · 06-09-2011, 08:26 AM

some ppl just have arthritis

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 06-10-2011, 06:45 PM

If you have low T then it is much more likely you have low E2 than high E2 . . . unless you are fat, drink regularly, smoke the weed, live a crappy life style.

Before starting TRT you should get baseline E2, along with all other baselines.

**lovbyts** · 06-11-2011, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

some ppl just have arthritis

I hear you there..... I have had a few different blood test done for arthritis but so far nothing although I dont think they are doing the right test??? All I know is I have taken Glucosimine/msm for years and it's done nothing, I have tried many other things. Only thing that helps is anti inflammatory (DICLOFENAC SODIUM). All I know is I forgot it one time when I went on a 7 day cruise and by day 3 I couldnt figure out why I hurt so bad. I had vicodine with me and it didnt help. Finally figured out I NEEDED the anti inflammatory more than I had figured. I can get away with 1x a day although the doctors says 2x.

**APIs** · 06-13-2011, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I hear you there..... I have had a few different blood test done for arthritis but so far nothing although I dont think they are doing the right test??? All I know is I have taken Glucosimine/msm for years and it's done nothing, I have tried many other things. Only thing that helps is anti inflammatory (DICLOFENAC SODIUM). All I know is I forgot it one time when I went on a 7 day cruise and by day 3 I couldnt figure out why I hurt so bad. I had vicodine with me and it didnt help. Finally figured out I NEEDED the anti inflammatory more than I had figured. I can get away with 1x a day although the doctors says 2x.

Wow, funny you mention this. A business colleague from overseas gave me Diclofenac Sodium in a topical cream and it worked great for my joint pain! Much better than Ibuprofen or Aleve. I try to limit use of NSAIDs though as it tends to raise blood pressure. I'm guessing you're not from the U.S.? Diclofenac is not popular here in the States and only available by Rx from a Doctor...

**zaggahamma** · 06-13-2011, 09:25 AM

just looked that med up and see there are a bunch of trade names for it the only one i recognized was Voltaren

**bass** · 06-13-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I hear you there..... I have had a few different blood test done for arthritis but so far nothing although I dont think they are doing the right test??? All I know is I have taken Glucosimine/msm for years and it's done nothing, I have tried many other things. Only thing that helps is anti inflammatory (DICLOFENAC SODIUM). All I know is I forgot it one time when I went on a 7 day cruise and by day 3 I couldnt figure out why I hurt so bad. I had vicodine with me and it didnt help. Finally figured out I NEEDED the anti inflammatory more than I had figured. I can get away with 1x a day although the doctors says 2x.

Glucosimine/msm are only effective for osteoarthritis! i will look up DICLOFENAC SODIUM!

**lovbyts** · 06-14-2011, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

Wow, funny you mention this. A business colleague from overseas gave me Diclofenac Sodium in a topical cream and it worked great for my joint pain! Much better than Ibuprofen or Aleve. I try to limit use of NSAIDs though as it tends to raise blood pressure. I'm guessing you're not from the U.S.? Diclofenac is not popular here in the States and only available by Rx from a Doctor...

Actually I am in the us. Yes it is via RX. They changed it to another one a while back that is supposed to have an extra ingredient and easier on the stomach but the whole time on it I had stomach issues. After doing some research I found more people than not had problems due to the extra ingredient; strange. I made them change me back and the issue went away within a couple of days.

**rebelstate** · 06-16-2011, 09:47 AM

you should have your hemogobin checked,,that was one of my first symptoms when i started feeling bad while on trt....i give blood regarly and now i feel great! my doc set my hemo at 15 or above,give blood,,,also keep you e-2 in check and your sex life will be that of a 21yr old....