Just my opinion guys....

[Bullseye Forever]

I know this forum is for TRT guys and stuff,and since ive been on here,evryone in some shape or fashion has/his having trouble with thier doctor/endo...myself included,ive had 2 endo so far and both messed me up or didnt help me like i'd hoped,and i now have 2 more endo appts. with two more that are supposed to be good ones,and ive got to say,if they say the same thing my first 2 have said,im just going to go out on a limb and treat myself with trt,ive learned alot about it over the last 4 years,and having a Masters Degree in Entomology Genetics,i understand a little about hormones and how they work,i have had a long talk with my GP and she has agreed to keep my blood tested for all my blood test and everything,and she agreed to help me,although she isnt a specialist in Endocrinology,she wants to help me,and she has read all of the notes from my previous endos and doesnt agree with thier decisions,i know it sounds like i wanna self medicate,but im tired and pissed at spending my money on specialist that wont help me,as long as she keeps up with my blood test and watchs over my medicating i feel comfortable doing it myself,if i hadnt took it upon myself to handle my previous estrogen problem,i would have never gotten myself straight.

Just for instance,my endo told me that clinical doses of trt would not cause high estrogen and gyno....yup he was wrong,when i walked into his office here recently and showed him my estrogen blood test,he wouldnt even look at it,and it surely pissed me off,and the next thing i know,he calls my pharmacy and left me a precription of test,1/2 the dose i was taking,hence i think he realized i was on his track of being wrong,and i called him back and ask him why did he lessen my dose,and he said i didnt need that much anymore.....duh..........i went from 300mg/week to 100mg/week of trt....knowing it wouldnt help me,but make me worse.

Lesson learned,and im not speaking of everyones doctors and endos,but mine just didnt pan out and from the help of all of you and your experiences,i decided to do it on my own,under the supervision of my GP.......just my.02


And i hope the rest of you watch and listen to your doctor and make sure you dont get messed up like i did


EDIT!!!!! MY GP will be presribing me with my testosterone precriptions,i forgot to mention that,so all will be legal,where i wont get in trouble...my bad guys

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Self medicating TRT means no prescription. AI meds can be gotten safely and at for less than paying for AI prescriptions out-of-pocket.

Getting Test means paying higher price for Test, and it means felony conviction if you get caught receiving Test w/o a prescription.

You can consider a HRT/Anit-aging clinic. If you avoid the HRT clinics that also sell and markup the medications, you could end up breaking even on the doctor fees by purchasing Test via a prescription as opposed to questionable channels that have a markup and the risk of jail.

[GotNoBlueMilk]

I also assume you are in a remote area, given that you have 4,000+ acres of land. So your doc options are limited. Have you tried calling compounding pharmacies in the area to see what docs prescribe Test Cyp, compounded AI, etc. This may help. Quite frankly, endos tend to be difficult for TRT since they shoot for hormone levels "within" range and not optimal levels. Some have had better experience with a urologist. I have a friend that swears by her urologist, but that is probably because she can get him to write any hormone prescription she wants, including Test Gel for a woman!

[Bullseye Forever]

Self medicating TRT means no prescription. AI meds can be gotten safely and at for less than paying for AI prescriptions out-of-pocket.

Getting Test means paying higher price for Test, and it means felony conviction if you get caught receiving Test w/o a prescription.

You can consider a HRT/Anit-aging clinic. If you avoid the HRT clinics that also sell and markup the medications, you could end up breaking even on the doctor fees by purchasing Test via a prescription as opposed to questionable channels that have a markup and the risk of jail.

sorry i also forgot to edit my post,my GP is going to give me prescriptions for my test,i did make a mistake in mentioning that man....my bad,will fix now

[Bullseye Forever]

I also assume you are in a remote area, given that you have 4,000+ acres of land. So your doc options are limited. Have you tried calling compounding pharmacies in the area to see what docs prescribe Test Cyp, compounded AI, etc. This may help. Quite frankly, endos tend to be difficult for TRT since they shoot for hormone levels "within" range and not optimal levels. Some have had better experience with a urologist. I have a friend that swears by her urologist, but that is probably because she can get him to write any hormone prescription she wants, including Test Gel for a woman!

i will do that and try and get a urologist to see me and he may help me better,thanks for the tip man

[GotNoBlueMilk]

I think doing some research to find a doc that actually prescribes Test injections (you don't want gel with your numbers), and hCG would narrow down the list to a doc you want. There is no gaurntee a urologist will benefit you. But seems that people have more luck with urologists than endos.

If you find a list of docs that prescribe hCG with HRT, then those docs will be the ones you want to get into see. They are on the cutting edge of HRT!

[APIs]

Self medicating TRT means no prescription. AI meds can be gotten safely and at for less than paying for AI prescriptions out-of-pocket.

Getting Test means paying higher price for Test, and it means felony conviction if you get caught receiving Test w/o a prescription.

You can consider a HRT/Anit-aging clinic. If you avoid the HRT clinics that also sell and markup the medications, you could end up breaking even on the doctor fees by purchasing Test via a prescription as opposed to questionable channels that have a markup and the risk of jail.

x2. I can certainly understand the frustration by the OP and others after hearing their stories. However, I also see a lot of people on these forums playing doctor and I just shake my head sometimes. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. There are many aspects of this treament that need the direct supervision of a 'trained' professional. If the OP has insurance I would stress the need to be patient in finding a competent Doctor to handle his care. The Doctors are out there, you just need to be diligent in finding the right one.

At this point I cannot imagine going UG to treat this condition. Plus, there is something to be said for the piece-of-mind gained in keeping everything 'legal'. However, I can understand the need to seek other alternatives if financial constraints do exist. Just my thoughts...Good luck!

[Bullseye Forever]

x2. I can certainly understand the frustration by the OP and others after hearing their stories. However, I also see a lot of people on these forums playing doctor and I just shake my head sometimes. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. There are many aspects of this treament that need the direct supervision of a 'trained' professional. If the OP has insurance I would stress the need to be patient in finding a competent Doctor to handle his care. The Doctors are out there, you just need to be diligent in finding the right one.

At this point I cannot imagine going UG to treat this condition. Plus, there is something to be said for the piece-of-mind gained in keeping everything 'legal'. However, I can understand the need to seek other alternatives if financial constraints do exist. Just my thoughts...Good luck!

thanks man for your post,i do have insurance,but finding the right one hasnt happened to me yet,hopefully it will........reason for my post,ive just been so frustrated with the experiences ive gone through,i was ranting and said alot of things out of context,that i shouldve made clearer,no i dont want to self medicate,i just want to find the right specialist who cares about my health and so i can feel better...i guess and know i went overboard with my post for sure....

[GotNoBlueMilk]

The other thing to consider is that many people on this forum would self prescribe themselves into a bad situation. Not that they don't know the risk, don't have the knowledge, but they don't have the self restraint and psychological makeup NOT to! In my younger days I was in that group too. I would definately have loaded on the gear way beyond what was good for me, and screwed myself all up. Back then, I would have been doing HGH at high levels, taking Test at 500mg+ a week, and all the other stuff that would have just screwed me up bad, for life.

Now, having been through all of that with drugs of the illicit nature, I have enough past bad experiences to walk away from that temptation. I feel I got off lucky because I didn't get screwed for life. A lapse in judgement or knowledge when dealing with hormones can really jack you up for the rest of your life. Look at the young guys who talk about being messed up from cycles and stuff.

This is what a legit doc keeps you from doing. You just need to find a legit doc who will help restore your hormone balance, just just run away from valid HRT options.

Ok, Bullseye, enough said from me. You are a big boy (damn big apparently). Just don't want to see a good guy go down a questionable road because of frustration with stupid docs.

[Bullseye Forever]

The other thing to consider is that many people on this forum would self prescribe themselves into a bad situation. Not that they don't know the risk, don't have the knowledge, but they don't have the self restraint and psychological makeup NOT to! In my younger days I was in that group too. I would definately have loaded on the gear way beyond what was good for me, and screwed myself all up. Back then, I would have been doing HGH at high levels, taking Test at 500mg+ a week, and all the other stuff that would have just screwed me up bad, for life.

Now, having been through all of that with drugs of the illicit nature, I have enough past bad experiences to walk away from that temptation. I feel I got off lucky because I didn't get screwed for life. A lapse in judgement or knowledge when dealing with hormones can really jack you up for the rest of your life. Look at the young guys who talk about being messed up from cycles and stuff.

This is what a legit doc keeps you from doing. You just need to find a legit doc who will help restore your hormone balance, just just run away from valid HRT options.

Ok, Bullseye, enough said from me. You are a big boy (damn big apparently). Just don't want to see a good guy go down a questionable road because of frustration with stupid docs.

Oh man,i totally agree with you,i will find the right doctor,i just need to be patient like API said,i just get so frustrated sometimes,and im not going to mess myself up with playing doctor,i dont have the knowledge or experience to do so,i feel confident the next few i see will be more helpful,i just go off the deep end sometimes,my apologies to all.....you are a great friend my brother and i appreciate your post and advice,i will go down the right road and do it the right way

[zaggahamma]

lot of good advice above ... bullseye...we're glad you got it all under control and glad your GP is on the team now...only look forward and meet your goals now

[JD250]

^ x2

[Bullseye Forever]

lot of good advice above ... bullseye...we're glad you got it all under control and glad your GP is on the team now...only look forward and meet your goals now

thannks brother