Help! Feeling symptoms with total test of 354

**steroid.com 1** · 12-01-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by cah027

I agreee. I wish he would get me on some meds for the e2. Actually my balls haven't really been hurting much lately. They do on occasion but not much after the first 6 weeks or so. If I get on HCG wouldn't that negate the need to inject test ? Wouldn't that just make my balls produce them on their own?

The atrophy won't stop. You may go through period's where they don't hurt or seem to halt thier smaller size but it will continue and get worse.

hCG does not negate the need to inject test. hCG is way upstream and while it does impact natural production somewhat it usually/ almost always not enough as a mono therapy.

**Brohim** · 12-02-2011, 01:05 PM

HCG is just to make your balls normal size again and also men report better sense of well-being but not sure exactly why. This is an addition to your test and AI that you hopefully get to control your E2 level's.

Tell your doc you need something for your small balls and they hurt. I would go to allthingsmale or similar website and print out a study on HCG to give to your Doc.

**zaggahamma** · 12-02-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

HCG is just to make your balls normal size again and also men report better sense of well-being but not sure exactly why. This is an addition to your test and AI that you hopefully get to control your E2 level's.

Tell your doc you need something for your small balls and they hurt. I would go to allthingsmale or similar website and print out a study on HCG to give to your Doc.

did u mean to say hcg ISNT just for atrophy prevention?

**yannick35** · 12-02-2011, 03:19 PM

Theses dosage are stupid, my medical doctor started me at 200mg per week. Its incredible the number of errors theses idiot doctor do with our livres. So many people can benefit from TRT and be given a better life.

After doing reseach on the subject, i been put on TRT on the spot, i went to my medical doctor told him i was a bit depressed, i got chronic pains, he tried prolo, botox injections in the upper traps and upper back and nothing worked. After being in TRT for 5 weeks my pain is 70% better. He gave me androgel gel for the first month, i did my reseach and found out about testosterone enhantate being a lot better then the sticky gel. I asked him the next week about test E, and starting me at 100mg per two weeks, he said at my size i needed more and that he will boost me up real good, he started me at 200ml per week, and i felt the effect after 3 weeks, more energy, less depression. Of course i still have not felt the full benefits of TRT yet, and it does usually take 3 months but it as to be 3 months at a proper dosage.

**cah027** · 12-02-2011, 04:19 PM

What a horse and pony show this turned out to be. After calling and calling the dr office I finally got the nurses to ask the Dr to put me on something for my high e2 levels. Dr said that "it wasn't high enough to warrant treating me with expensive medication". Im at 60! the "normal" range is 0-50. Thats 20% over the norm. How much does he want! The nurse was more sympathetic. I told her that I wasn't really feeling the symptom on the day I got the tests. I usually feel them more on Thursday. So she said she would ask him if I could take another test when I feel the symptoms. She said I would find out what he says on Monday or Tuesday.

I ask Him about HCG the last time I was there and he didn't even know what is was.

This sucks. I think I am going to order something online. Any suggestions ?

**yannick35** · 12-02-2011, 04:29 PM

If you have insurance go to another medical doctor, online without insurance you will pay the price. Very expensive

**Brohim** · 12-02-2011, 04:32 PM

Do you have high E2 syptom's? Any Water rention or itchy nipples?

Your doctor is uneducated and sounds like a dick!

You can start calling around to doc. that are covered under your insurance and ask if they prescribe Liquidex or HCG .

25-30 is where he should want you.

**zaggahamma** · 12-02-2011, 10:16 PM

not 23-29?

**cah027** · 12-03-2011, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Brohim

Do you have high E2 syptom's? Any Water rention or itchy nipples?

Your doctor is uneducated and sounds like a dick!

You can start calling around to doc. that are covered under your insurance and ask if they prescribe Liquidex or HCG .

25-30 is where he should want you.

I tell you.. a good dr for this stuff is really hard to find. I called all of the endo's in my city a month ago when this guy would even test my e2 and most of them wouldn't even talk to me or answer simple questions without an apt. One of the few that did (spoke with head nurse) and she didn't know what Arimidex was and said they wouldn't write a script for it. Maybe I should start calling different type of dr? We don't have many anti aging or male clinic type places here.

I am waiting until next week before I split my dose. Want to see if he will retest and hopfuly when I do it on a Thursday (worse day usually) I will test out around 70ish. If not I will split my dose. I was thinking about lowering my dose a little to 2 40mg shots. That might help with the e2 .

**cah027** · 12-24-2011, 11:49 AM

Went to see the same endo.. He was going to put me on Arimidex but he said it could cost me 500 for a month if my insurance didn't cover it. So he gave me a script for Tamoxifen . I take 10mg every 12 hours. Not sure how well it will work for me yet because this week I split and slightly lowered my dose. I did a 40mg shot on Sunday and another 40mg shot on Thurs and I could tell a big difference in estrogen symptoms. I still had a couple bad days but a lot better. I started taking the Tamoxifen Thurs night.

I know Tamoxifen doesn't get rid of it but fill the receptors. I also read that it will increase testosterone and LH so it might help with atrophy a little.. or will it ? I wonder if I should still try to get arimidex or Letrozole ? I have high cholesterol so maybe the Tamoxifen will help with that? What do you guys think?

**cah027** · 01-07-2012, 11:38 PM

I got him to change me to generic arimidex . Found a place online that was way cheaper than going local. I've been on it for 3 days. Taking 1mg per day. Not sure if that is a normal dose... ? I read somewhere that it will take about 2 weeks for the e2 in my blood to dissipate. He didn't know anything about HCG as atrophy treatment. So I am just dealing with it. It has been off and on.

Also got my test results for end of week and it was 647. Not bad for the last day of a shot.

**zaggahamma** · 01-08-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by cah027

I got him to change me to generic arimidex . Found a place online that was way cheaper than going local. I've been on it for 3 days. Taking 1mg per day. Not sure if that is a normal dose... ? I read somewhere that it will take about 2 weeks for the e2 in my blood to dissipate. He didn't know anything about HCG as atrophy treatment. So I am just dealing with it. It has been off and on.

Also got my test results for end of week and it was 647. Not bad for the last day of a shot.

thats too much bro

cut them fvckers in half then half again..... .25 eod or is a more common dose (thats 1/4, one quarter)

test level nice for last day of a shot bro

how r u feeling...dont keep taking 1mg ed your dooley wont even look up let alone stand up

**SEOINAGE** · 01-08-2012, 03:38 PM

Yeah i think a lot of doctors don't know the right ratio or have a clue about arimidex or probably other ai, my doctor didn't know much. On a side note its only like 5 bucks for arimidex local pharmacy.

**zaggahamma** · 01-08-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Yeah i think a lot of doctors don't know the right ratio or have a clue about arimidex or probably other ai, my doctor didn't know much. On a side note its only like 5 bucks for arimidex local pharmacy.

another reminder that doctors are basically our dealer we are in charge of our own health period

**steroid.com 1** · 01-08-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

thats too much bro

cut them fvckers in half then half again..... .25 eod or is a more common dose (thats 1/4, one quarter)

test level nice for last day of a shot bro

how r u feeling...dont keep taking 1mg ed your dooley wont even look up let alone stand up

Agree with J; this is way way too much.

An AI is very powerful in a man and your E2 can tank faster than Rosie O'Donnell jonesn for an ice cream sandwich.

Do what J said just said; .25 mg for a few days then go on a routine of 1 mg per 100 mg of Test.

For example; if you spilt 100 mg of weekly test cyp into two doses of 50 mg per week, take .5 mg of the AI 12 to 24 hours after each injection.

Taking as much as you have already it might be time to do that now...

**kelkel** · 01-08-2012, 09:56 PM

1mg per day is a breast cancer dosage. Do what jpk and gd above said right away.
Consider buying a pill cutter if your not getting it compounded.

**cah027** · 01-19-2012, 04:47 PM

OMG !!!!!! I need to get my email alerts to work for this site. I wish I would have checked back to this thread sooner. I have been taking 1mg per day and I feel like shight ! I thought it wasn't right.. So what Have I been doing to myself? Should I wait a little while to take another or a half?

Someone said take .25 every other day and someone else said take .5mg 12 hours after each shot if I split. This week I split 50mg per shot. Took first shot on Sunday and just took second shot today. I also took 1mg of Anastrozole(gen arimidex ).

I am wondering if I should wait until next Thursday before I take a .5 mg?

Thanks for the help on this guys.. You should send my endo a bill !

**zaggahamma** · 01-19-2012, 04:59 PM

yes if you been chewin a 1mg for 10days daily you could be down there pretty good....i'd hold off till your 2nd shot then assume the .25 eod or .5 twice a week and blood work asap talk to us in the week that you lay off the arimidex and see if you get some wood and feel better....

**cah027** · 01-19-2012, 05:03 PM

Ok.. So you are saying wait until next Thursday when I take my second shot? That way my e2 will build back up a little?

ok will do.. I have had a really ruff week this week. I haven't felt this bad since my test was 160 ! Also yes.. my wood has been suffering. Now I have an excuse to tell the chick I am dating...

Also I would get more labs on my own but the lab here won't do it without a dr order. I think I will just hold off a little while and let my e2 recover then start taking it like I should. Man this dr is pissing me off so bad. I haven't felt normal or even half bad in about a year now.

**zaggahamma** · 01-19-2012, 06:21 PM

I posted a thread with several labs that will do blood work without rx maybe u can find it or someone will link em up for u I'm on mybphone now and the links r on home computer...maybe theyl sticky that thread lmao

**cah027** · 01-21-2012, 11:47 AM

I feel great today ! First day in months I have felt this good! I am getting of trazodone that I was put on for sleep. That was the worst stuff I could have taken. Plus I feel the effects of the od of arimidex leaving my body. I think I will wait until my second shot on Thursday to start arimidex again. I might go the route of .25mg eod. I like the idea of spreading it out better. I am a little gun shy on taking more at a time..

**zaggahamma** · 01-21-2012, 12:46 PM

good plan bro

glad your already feeling better

**cah027** · 11-19-2012, 09:40 PM

Back after awhile of dealing with my chronic fatigue. I finally got another dr. He is crazy expensive because he is out of network for my ins.. I have been on and off and back on again Test cyp. Still don't feel much better. Come to find out with a 24 hour urine hormone test I am HGHD . My IFG-1 is well in the normal range but nothing impressive. 186 but my HGH in my urine test came in way under the normal range. 739 out of a 1065-4722 range. Just have to wait for my next apt to see what the dr will do and get him to petition the ins company. I also have low normal dhea. Just started 7-keto dhea a week ago.

will it ever end? I don't even remember what it feels like to be normal anymore. I have lost so much weight and can no longer workout. I have so many hormone deficiencies. As I understand hgh will take almost a year to help...?