Well known HRT clinic closed down

[zaggahamma]

excellent point

i for the life of me never could figure out how winstrol was rx'd and explained to be needed medically....deca yes but

just sayin

[SlimmerMe]

I get patients from other clinics in my area all the time and wonder how they are still open, passing out growth hormone like candy, men coming in on huge doses of multiple steroids with poor follow up, one in particular has a guy who calls himself a "hormone specialist," and has no medical training. These places do need to be shut down. The new law requires us to see a patient every 3 months if you are prescribing controlled meds, unfortunately testosterone falls under that category. I think we can get away with every 6 months but if the DEA wanted to make a stink about it they could. This is one of the reasons I am so diligent about follow up appointments and lab work. I have patients in other states and countries but still require an annual face to face and more frequent labwork and phone consults. This is just responsible medicine in my opinion. It's also the reason I stick to the basics of cyp/hcg /AI treatment, most other forms are not standard of care so you will be on the DEA radar if you are prescribing that other stuff. I get that people have been used them for years without problems but in a medical office there is no place for it. They now require very specific documentation to be submitted if you are writing for the "supertest" type mixtures. Can't tell you how many incidental things I find from the extensive lab work we do in anti-aging. It's also a reason I keep a small shop, I am the only one that sees patients or writes scripts and I only use a couple reputable pharmacies that I am comfortable with.

Curious and would love to know an example or two. THANKS! Glad you are here.

[SEOINAGE]

BUT, you will always have resources for legally practiced TRT care.

Are you positive about this? My test levels are manageable, but if i went on trt for years, and had to stop, it would be a lot worse. With how over regulated our government already is I could see them passing things that make it impossible to get treatment like we do now, I would hope not, but then again I don't have much confidence in how things are going, just concerned about my freedom and liberty. I know this is an entirely different topic, and maybe it wont get as bad as I imagine it could in my life time.

[zaggahamma]

Are you positive about this? My test levels are manageable, but if i went on trt for years, and had to stop, it would be a lot worse. With how over regulated our government already is I could see them passing things that make it impossible to get treatment like we do now, I would hope not, but then again I don't have much confidence in how things are going, just concerned about my freedom and liberty. I know this is an entirely different topic, and maybe it wont get as bad as I imagine it could in my life time.

your topic is fine here bro

that would be a scary thought

who knows with obumma

[APIs]

your topic is fine here bro

that would be a scary thought

who knows with obumma

Yes, this is a very scary time we live in. Would be a shame if we all had to go UG on this...

[steroid.com 1]

There are other clinical uses for Testosterone besides Hormone Repla***ent Therapies so it would still be available as an off label...and I don't believe there are laws against off label use as long as they are prescribed by a licensed practitioner.

[Drmagic]

I really don't think there will be an issue with legal TRT, it is a medical condition with decades of research supporting its benefits as well as the health risks associated with low levels in men and women, If these places down south were shut down related to the pill mills then you have to wonder if they were doing pain management with pain medication dispensing as well or if they were writing huge doses and shipping all over the country without documented in office visits by a physician. The other thing they are really cracking down on is dispensing from the office of controlled medications. I don't dispense anything out of the office because of the additional scrutiny it brings and the extra headache involved in documentation. If anyone should be more scrutinized it should be the weight loss centers that dispense weight loss meds, I think you may see that happening next but legitimate medical TRT/HRT will not be an issue, it just wouldn't make sense.

[zaggahamma]

I am well aware of the clinic;and there were several problems but the main one was that the Dr was not doing what was legally necessary in order to Rx hormones;he was just signing off on scripts....and the other thing is that they had not yet fully instituted the fly in rule for out of state patients doing "telemedicine". The owners are nice guys and were really blindsided. I know them quite well and am taking care of the Florida patients;and doing it on a personal level with no involvement of any "counselors". I either see patients in my Vero office or follow the Florida telemed rules and treat them that way. In case you or anyone is interested;here is my website. www.kimcrawfordmd.com
Have a great weekend! (Oh and yes;if you didn't know it;the DEA had been following their practices and by the time I arrived,it really was too late;and they were indeed shut down....)
Dr.Kim
P.S. I saw your last post and they had one woman counselor and I was hired as their Doctor for 6 weeks when they found out that their other Dr. had not been doing things correctly so that's 2...and I brought in two NP'sne a female,so that's 3;not huge but they were by no means anti-woman. I think what you may be referring to is the fact that they had mimimal experience treating women which is one of the reasons they were psyched to get me in there. I have no clue why they didn't hire you as they were dying to have more women....and as a FYI no counselors got into trouble;just the owners and the guy we all call "Dr Greedy"....

thanks for your input and link...about your quotes are u quoting the above post or the op? helps if when u quote ppl u use the reply with quote function thats at the bottom or every quote

[bullshark99]

I used this clinic, for the most part seemed up tp par. Once I learned more about TRT and what I was doing, I realized that they were sales ppeople, not Drs. In hindsight in angers me that orders could be filled so easy with lack of bloodwork. From what I understand they were shipping steriods oversea's. Also, they sales reps were filling prescriptions supposedly without Dr knowledge or approval and yes they used TCP. Good learning exp for me, sometimes you need to learn the hard way. Anyway, this is just hearsay.

[fit2bOld]

I got real good service from my original clinic but found a local doctor that was experienced just by chance and switched. He did blood every 3 months the first year and keeps every thing just below high. I think we may find a new generation of younger Doctors that are knowledgeable and interested in mens health. My Doc is about 30 I 'm old enough to be his dad.

[Brohim]

I always wondered how some docs can treat patients out of state w/out them flying in for visit's.