lowering Estrogen naturally!

[confused123]

I should get some some ink

Going to try n rest arm

Waiting for delivery to start lowering e
Tomorrow drop papers off to dr....

Thanks

[confused123]

Another quick question! Is aching joints sign if high e also? Been struggling with elbows n lower biceps for longtime now...

[steroid.com 1]

Another quick question! Is aching joints sign if high e also? Been struggling with elbows n lower biceps for longtime now...

Symptoms of both Low and High E2:

Low E2
   Hot flashes
   Night sweats
   Lethargic Depression
   Apathy and Malaise
   Memory Lapses
  Tearfulness
   Sleep Disturbances
   Heart Palpitations
   Headaches
   Foggy thinking-unable to focus
   Rapid Pulse Rate
   Ever increasing fatigue
   Intolerance to exercise
   Facial skin burns or tingles
   Joint Pain, Swelling, Stiffness
   Excessive Perspiration
   Low Total Cholesterol
   Dry eyes and dry skin
   Low Back Pain
   Low self Esteem
   Loss of sense of well-being
   Meal related bloating
   Low/No Libido/Erections
   Panic attacks
  
High E2
   Tender Breasts/Nipples
   Mood Swings
   Water Retention
   Weight gain  
Weepiness
   Cyclical headaches-migraines
   Low/No Libido/Erections
   Irritability & quick to anger
   Anxiety
   Breast enlargement
   Puffiness and Bloating
   Cold Body Temperature
   Legs cramps when walking
   Short tem memory loss
   Sleep disturbances
   Sugar cravings
Joint Pain, Swelling, Stiffness
   Elevated Triglycerides
   Weight gain –mid body -waist
   Anxiety type depression
   Rapid unexplained weight gain
   Red flush on face or sides of neck
   Anxious depression
   Anxious irritability
   Feeling crazy

[confused123]

DAMN! thanks for the quick response!

dropping papers off to dr today...

my pulled muscle is lower biceps again been having issues with tennis elbow, elbow joint, lower biceps for months....

Thanks again for helping me get to my sweet spot.....

getting close

[confused123]

Ok dropped of the reference papers to dr....have one more question ...any idea of cost of full detailed blood test just in case my coverage denies testing......I would love to get everything tested to find out what is going on and to double check everything...

Etc..estradoil.cortisol.dhea. etc

Thanks

[steroid.com 1]

Depends, can range from $100 - $300. Worth every penny either way. You need to know; like the book - You Blood Doesn't Lie!

[confused123]

seen dermatologist yesterday he said keep taking 100mg of minocycline twice a day because a few pimples still popping up.....

started a .5mg eod of liguid arimidex "see how i feel in a week or two or notice any changes"

going to see test dr tomorrow to see what he says about the article I left him on aromatase....

[kelkel]

Hopefully he's honest and doesn't find a reason to "dismiss" it.

[confused123]

Ok just left dr office......he said he didn't finish reading it all "i gave him the 15 page one" he said all test might be overkill but he will try and get medical to cover it. He also said he doesn't think estrogen is a problem with me.

I will see what he says next week when he finishes article. I will also see how I feel with. 5 mg 3x a week of liquid arimidex ...


Edit....changed to. 5mg ed some bloat day 5

[confused123]

ok update been using liquid AI for a week at .5ml ED and feel like I definitely lost some water and feel a bit better. Morning wood never really came back full force just a bit and libido is ok.

Now think i should continue with this dose or maybe i passed my point.....No acne....maybe minor water.....going to dr tomorrow and see what he says about blood work and medical coverage.

[steroid.com 1]

ok update been using liquid AI for a week at .5ml ED and feel like I definitely lost some water and feel a bit better. Morning wood never really came back full force just a bit and libido is ok.

Now think i should continue with this dose or maybe i passed my point.....No acne....maybe minor water.....going to dr tomorrow and see what he says about blood work and medical coverage.

Let us know how your appointment goes and what his response was to the information you provided him.

Interested to see if he's open minded with no ego...

[confused123]

Well lets say guess his ego will get in the way.....he just brushed it off....is it Right to say that test will turn into E quickly. I am using an AI at .5mg ed for 8 days..how long should it take to lower E and raise test...I understand everyone is different but maybe in average. I dont want to go to low and pass my mark.....

I guess i have to find another dr that would look deeper into why my test levels dont go up .....

Thnx

[zaggahamma]

.5 ed should drop you down in week or two...you neednt worry about it raising your test....and yes .5 ed can bring you too low...whats your retesting looking like...from what you've said about feeling better and losing water/bloat you sound like your getting close or have a good level already....maybe go eod to prevent passing sweet spot

[confused123]

Retesting is problem dr is avoiding E test ill demand one next wed.
Ill go. 5ed for a day or two more then go EOD....

I actually can tell my bloat from my ankles and sock rings at this level of test......when i blast its the acne and chipmunk affect....



Thnx again

[confused123]

.5 ed should drop you down in week or two...you neednt worry about it raising your test....and yes .5 ed can bring you too low...whats your retesting looking like...from what you've said about feeling better and losing water/bloat you sound like your getting close or have a good level already....maybe go eod to prevent passing sweet spot

Was thinking of trying 1 ml ed still feeling high E sides

edit :0 ok going to try .5 EOD might of went to low or stuff is not even working.... It seems high and low has same effects....felt good for awhile now some acne and does headaces or pressure when test is high...

this trt is quite annoying just a complete battle for 8 months

[confused123]

any suggestions to my above edit !

[bass]

Was thinking of trying 1 ml ed still feeling high E sides

edit :0 ok going to try .5 EOD might of went to low or stuff is not even working.... It seems high and low has same effects....felt good for awhile now some acne and does headaces or pressure when test is high...

this trt is quite annoying just a complete battle for 8 months

what is your complete protocol again?

[confused123]

Been on trt for 8 months now currently at 200mg / wk from dr......up it to 300mg/wk feel my best there "i know it is high dose just testing waters" but still cant get some sides or E symptons good amd of coutse test dont rise.......im very edgy and pressure headaches and of course minor acne joint pain.....

Constant battle

[bass]

well the starting dose for AI is 1mg per 100 mgs test, so try to stay in that range then do blood work to see where your levels are. you really need to stay at a fixed dose of test so you have more control. as far as the pressure that could be due to your RBC and Hemoglobin levels elevated. have you donated blood since you started TRT? if not do it ASAP!

[confused123]

Ok been researching this and going to check my bloodwork "hopefully its in there n not a separate test"

Same symptoms as high low E

i think all trt patients should have full hormone bloodtest mandatory. Why insurance companies so difficult ir drs.

So much to this trt

Any way to lower besides donating

[confused123]

well the starting dose for AI is 1mg per 100 mgs test, so try to stay in that range then do blood work to see where your levels are. you really need to stay at a fixed dose of test so you have more control. as far as the pressure that could be due to your RBC and Hemoglobin levels elevated. have you donated blood since you started TRT? if not do it ASAP!

as of last blood work around 2 weeks ago RBC and hemoglogin are in normal range....so maybe my E is still high was doing .5mg for around 2 weeks and was going to drop to EOD but dunno

[confused123]

Ok feeling much better and backing off AI to .5mg Eod as i definitely notice the deference. Might if went little to low as no morning wood and minor skin burn and tingling........

One more question as of staying on level dose.what does one do if tjere test hets to high skip or drop dose....?

By the way you people are good and thanks for being here.

[steroid.com 1]

That question can be answered a lot of different way depending on a lot of variables.

Total test is far less important at this point. Bio Available and/or Percent Available are your markers now. If they are high simply lower your dose to get in the optimal range.

Skipping an injection makes no sense whatsoever.

Now, if you reduce your test dosage your AI has to be adjusted accordingly and you can only do this through blood work.

[confused123]

ok back for some of your great advise......

First off with all the bu@@&*it with the research lab sites.....I am going to Dr. and demanding a full hormone and E test.....Been feeling awesome with liquid AI and off course didnt stock up! Until i find another Dr. or get my dr. to prescribe an AI can i use liquid tamox "which i happen to have on hand" to keep E in check?

I been reading,reading and reading LOL and there is mixed veiws on the answer. I somewhatt understand what the two do and the difference was just wondering if i can keep it in check till i get script.

thanks members and admins....
signed..
feeling good on trt "took awhile to dial in but with sites help finally got there"



How is the product ERASE? "been hearing a lot"

[confused123]

ok back after awhile for some opinions again...Was on trt 300mg for weeks and was dialed in nice then went on a blast for the hot summer went to 400mg then to 500mg all went well at the end of blasting and battling the good ole acne again so want to go back down to trt and level out again and enjoy the rest iof summer without the acne battle. thin k i should go down gradually or just go right to trt dose. i thi nk gradually for me because my body takes weeks to adjust to changes in doiseing as per expericnece thanks again

[SEOINAGE]

Dang there is some good info in this thread, was hoping for these kind of answers in my other thread.


Anyways your question, shouldn't be any problem going right to your trt dose. Takes a while to adjust to dosing because the half life of cyp is fairly long.

[confused123]

Yes some good info lots of trial and error. Think I am going to come down gradually not to roller coaster to much and aggrEvate acne again. Also going for MRI soon as dr wants to check gland she is in search of reason why I do not produce test on my own. A lot of work this trt

[confused123]

Ok back again still on trt and just decided to stop it completely dr advised not to and said its life long process now. I am just tired of battling the acne every damn week. Been on 200 mg a week for 2 years I believe have to go over threads myself its been so long. I am just tired of the acne and rather go back to start if possible. Any advise on this crash last injection was exactly 2 weeks ago top level was at 912 start level was 159 or 259 off top of my head.

[Rusty11]

I quickly read over this thread. Your initial prob was e2? Whats going on with that?
Regarding acne...has neutragena been suggested. I scrub with it most mornings and it's keeping the acne on shoulder\back to a minimum. Just a suggestion. Has pinning less, more frequently been suggested? Anyway, you're a big boy and can make your own decision, but totally stopping trt could be harsh. Good luck, buddy.

[confused123]

Dermitologist gave me the minocyline and retin it worked for awhile then came back. Did shorten pinning to once a week. Tried a lot for acne can never beat it so far crash is harsh but livable and of course acne is in full mode because of level change. Can never win. Just wanna try cleaning for 6 months and feel how it is without acne for awhile and see if I can deal with low test

[Trific]

Confused, have you ever tried lower test amounts like 50mg twice a week? At that level the E2 might behave and you could hopefully not take any AI and maybe not struggle...

[confused123]

Confused, have you ever tried lower test amounts like 50mg twice a week? At that level the E2 might behave and you could hopefully not take any AI and maybe not struggle...

Hmmm I have tried many combinations over the years. Seems like when I get at high range a lot of oil and break outs. If my levels change to much breakouts. I have tried 2 shots a week but not lower. My dr. Suggested we watch blood levels more and try to keep level at better range by adjusting dose. I been at 900 and change for about 6 months and no luck. It's been an on going battle from day one. Lucky I can get a week in without breakouts.

Just a note not normal breakouts the syst golf balls on face just can't take the battle anymore. Going into third week off so far not to bad aches pains little tired and of course acne. Wish I had better genes and didnt have acne problem would be awesome lol.

TY for all the Input really appreciate it. Left off with dr.with her getting me acne care lets see what she comes up with. And where checking levels weekly to see how fast and low it gets.

Dunno 2 to 3 years and my name still fits confused

[confused123]

Ok been a few weeks off and test is at all time low of 117 oil skin is better less acne but kinda week and tired but not like totally sluggish. Sucks kind of going to talk to dr. Later to see what's next step.

[cornfedboy2000]

great thread, lots of good info. I'm starting my own battle right now.

[confused123]

Ok been a few weeks off and test is at all time low of 117 oil skin is better less acne but kinda week and tired but not like totally sluggish. Sucks kind of going to talk to dr. Later to see what's next step.

Just an update off trt totally for around 3 or 4 weeks and bottomed out. Overall was t to bad feel a bit weak and tired but nothing deadly . Tightening up my diet getting more rest and doing well enough. Enjoying clear dry skin for once in two years. Honestly not sure if I am going to go back on and battle the acne again just overall sucked to much. My dr. Keeps trying to convince me to get back on but not sure if she is worried about my well being or her pockets.

Dunno maybe some people are just not meant to be on the juice. If I didn't have acne problems ill probably be huge lol.

[steroid.com 1]

^^^^You need to get restarted (PCT) so you have some natural production.

HPTA rarely comes back fully on it's own.

[confused123]

^^^^You need to get restarted (PCT) so you have some natural production.

HPTA rarely comes back fully on it's own.

I thought once it is off for a king time you stay off? Dr also said it won't start back up ....I can use pct to jump start own production ? Some examples ?

TY.

[steroid.com 1]

Go to the PCT forum here...read the stickies on how to get restarted...drugs like Clomid and HCG will get you there when administered correctly.

You're Doc is right on a number of fronts...