My trek through a new life in TRT

[lvs]

terrific news! After almost a year, I am still not dialed in, ugh!

[bigboy67]

Just took my first dose of arimidex of .5 mg. will be doing .25 mg eod after this and I know it will take around a week to feel better.

these pills are fckn tiny though. I have a pill cutter, but even with that it is really hard to cut these tiny pills into quarters. any tips?

[bigboy67]

Steroidogenic_Pathways.pdf

My doc gave me this document, pretty useful and interesting to see all of the interactions between your hormones. THough tyou guys might like to have it too if you don't already have it that is.

[bigboy67]

ok, so maybe I am being crazy, but I have dropped like 4 lbs. in the last 3 days after starting my AI. Am I nuts, or am I dropping some water weight or something I was holding onto when my E2 was 112?

[lvs]

i suspect water retention was the result of those 4 lbs.

ok, so maybe I am being crazy, but I have dropped like 4 lbs. in the last 3 days after starting my AI. Am I nuts, or am I dropping some water weight or something I was holding onto when my E2 was 112?

[bigboy67]

So I have been on an AI for about 5 days. nothing too crazy to report, I have not felt any big boost of energy, libido, etc. I have noticed that my muscles actually feel a bit harder than before. Also, I don't know if you remember a stupid movie that Bruce Willis did called Unbreakable? Lol, I only bring it up cuz there is a scene where he is bench pressing in his house, and thinks he cant lift anymore weight and realizes he can keep increasing the weight?

Sorry for the tangent, but yeah, I have actually started feeling that way. Like I will do a lift and at rep 6 I think I am dead, but then for some reason I am able slowly rep out 5 more reps, so I guess I have gotten some sort of (maybe placebo) increase in my max strength stamina.

hopefully in the next week or so I will start to feel the mood lift, etc. that other guys report, along with being able to feel a nice big strength/well being boost. It'd be nice to feel dialed in for the first time in a VERY long time.

[bigboy67]

one week in on arimidex , still lowering my dos of Test about 20mg per week for the next two more weeks until my doc follow up and blood retesting

still havent noticed any noticeable changes in my mood, libido, weight, strength, etc. but I am being patient seeing as how this is going to be a forever process

[bigboy67]

Went back for a follow up hydrostatic BF % test on Friday.

In 30 days I lost 1.5% BF, and lost 5 lbs of fat and 1 lb of muscle, so I'm on the right track at least

Still not feeling much of a mood change after being on an AI for close to two weeks

[bigboy67]

Had to go to Texas for work training for the rest ofthe week. Shot was scheduled for Wednesday, so I took it T home on Tuesday afternoon before flying to avoid having to bring my Test on the plane with pins.

Brought my AI, so no worries there

[bigboy67]

Had a strong morning wood today from 4:30-6, guessing this is the AI getting my E2 in check?

[bigboy67]

did my first deltoid injection

have also reduced my Test does down to 100mg ew, per my doc's request. I reduced the dose 20mg per week over 5 weeks to avoid creating any big hormonal/mood swings.

Sent in an adrenal test which consisted of 4 vials full of frozen spit, lol. hopefully with figuring my adrenal function, and balancing out my Test dose with an AI (as well as hcg which will be coming after my blood test in two weeks) i will be lined out with a strong protocol i can run with for the next 6-12 months without too many more changes

[--->>405<<---]

hey man im glad to read ur thread.. i have first appt with endo tomorrow.. hope mine works out as well as urs

[bass]

did my first deltoid injection

have also reduced my Test does down to 100mg ew, per my doc's request. I reduced the dose 20mg per week over 5 weeks to avoid creating any big hormonal/mood swings.

Sent in an adrenal test which consisted of 4 vials full of frozen spit, lol. hopefully with figuring my adrenal function, and balancing out my Test dose with an AI (as well as hcg which will be coming after my blood test in two weeks) i will be lined out with a strong protocol i can run with for the next 6-12 months without too many more changes

excellent! besides the morning wood, how are you feeling overall?

[--->>405<<---]

Had a strong morning wood today from 4:30-6, guessing this is the AI getting my E2 in check?

are u serious??like 1 1/2 hrs of a hard on?? u couldnt get rid of it???

[bigboy67]

excellent! besides the morning wood, how are you feeling overall?

I feel pretty good overall. Can tell I am not retaining near as much water weight/bloat. Feel good mentally, no depression, gym sessions are good. I have dropped about 19 lbs since i started TRT.

starting jiu jitsu next week at my buddy's gym, so I am sure I will start really losing it big time.

[bigboy67]

are u serious??like 1 1/2 hrs of a hard on?? u couldnt get rid of it???

Serious as a heart attack man. 1.5 hours straight. well..... i could have gotten rid of it, lol, but it was too early to wake my wife up, lol

[--->>405<<---]

LOL .. so if u have sex or jack off itll go away?? i dont think id want to walk around with a boner for 2 hrs.. sounds uncomfortable..

[bigboy67]

LOL .. so if u have sex or jack off itll go away?? i dont think id want to walk around with a boner for 2 hrs.. sounds uncomfortable..

its not uncomfortable until you hit hour number 4, lol (my buddy once dosed my Jack and Coke with two Viagra as a prank)

[brazilian86]

You're gonna get your ass kicked the first few months in Jiu Jitsu. I just got my blue belt!

[bigboy67]

You're gonna get your ass kicked the first few months in Jiu Jitsu. I just got my blue belt!

Haha, ya I know they are gonna ball me up and choke me out, hahaha. Especially since my buddy is the one running things. He got his black belt from Megaton Diaz in Brazil. He ain't one of these guys who got a black belt from a cracker jack box, lol

Honestly it will be good to have goals like belts to reach for, I am bored as hell lifting weights anymore

[brazilian86]

Your goals won't be belts. Your goals will be defending yourself against the ones that are chocking you up now. And then after a while you will
Be chocking the newer guys and kicking ass, and then when all the white belts are under your power, then you are ready for a blue belt! That's my case! Hahaha

[bigboy67]

Your goals won't be belts. Your goals will be defending yourself against the ones that are chocking you up now. And then after a while you will
Be chocking the newer guys and kicking ass, and then when all the white belts are under your power, then you are ready for a blue belt! That's my case! Hahaha

Had my first BJJ class today. Got balled up and choked about 20 times in an hour, hahaha. It was pretty awesome though. I am done lifting weights, its boring to me, gonna stick with BJJ and just lift a little on the side to hold onto my strength.

[brazilian86]

I'm so glad you like it. From now on your life will be something else!!!!
So much better to know something like Jiu Jitsu. If the other guy on the street wants to fight you and you guys end up on the floor, you'll merk the guy!!! Hahaha

[flatscat]

nice thread - informative updates and good info....

keep up the good work and this thread.

You might not want to give up the strength training all together though.

flats

[bigboy67]

nice thread - informative updates and good info....

keep up the good work and this thread.

You might not want to give up the strength training all together though.

flats

Ya, I will probably lift still on my off days, at least a couple days a week. But for now, I will be rolling 4 days a week, so I will probably be beat for like a month until my body gets used to this type of work. I am all kinds of sore in all kinds of places from rolling yesterday, haha.

[bigboy67]

Quick question, I have noticed by elbow and knees have been aching quite a bit lately. I attribute some of this to jiu jitsu, but honestly i havent been getting cranked on and twisted up all that much so I am starting to think my E2 may be low. I will get this confirmed via blood test next week when I get my whole panel redone after starting an AI (.25mg eod) and lowering my Test dose from 200mg to 100mg per week.

ok, so question is, if I continue to feel these joint pains, but my E2 isnt crazy low, is there something else I can add into the mix that will make my joints feel better but still allow me to take my AI and keep estro in check?

[brazilian86]

I go to sleep and wake up sore and joints and bonesvaching everyday. Back also is a bitch! It's all from rough training and jiu jitsu.

[brazilian86]

Jiu jitsu is rough on joints.... Maybe Deca would make it soooo much better! Lol

[ConArmas]

BigBoy, thanks for posting all your experience with this. It anwered alot of my questions.

[bigboy67]

BigBoy, thanks for posting all your experience with this. It anwered alot of my questions.

no problem Con, I figured somebody might get some use out of my experience.

I have an appt. tomorrow at the clinic, going to do full blood panels, and likely get me started on hcg shortly after getting the results back. interested to see what my E2 and Test levels are going to be after dropping down to 100mg Test ew and adding in the AI

[bass]

no problem Con, I figured somebody might get some use out of my experience.

I have an appt. tomorrow at the clinic, going to do full blood panels, and likely get me started on hcg shortly after getting the results back. interested to see what my E2 and Test levels are going to be after dropping down to 100mg Test ew and adding in the AI

looking forward to seeing the results!

[bigboy67]

just got back from the doc. he drew blood for:

Total Test
Free Test
E2
PSA
Thyroid
DHEA
Preg
CBC
CMP
Lipid profile

Also got the results of my adrenocortex saliva test I took a few weeks ago. Looks like my cortisol numbers are normal in the AM and afternoon, but then dip below reference in the evening and midnight. So, I will be supplementing desiccated adrenal pills at lunchtime to get my numbers on point as far as adrenal function.

Doc said we will see how the numbers come back on my tests and will have another appt in two weeks. in the meantime I will continue .25mg eod AI, and drop my Test dose again to 80mg ew in anticipation of adding hcg 300iu twice a week.

overall, good visit, doc said he will likely get my E2 back in a few days, other numbers back in a week or so.

Will also be seeing a new GP, ditched the old one since he was such an asshole about my concerns about my hormonal health. Getting a new one, will get him up to date on everything, and will also be looking to see if he will be willing to prescribe me an albuterol inhaler to help with what I can only describe as lung tightening adn airway closing during cardio based exercise. its not just me being gassed, it is a specific feeling of closing up airways that i am gonna talk to him about

[ConArmas]

Good luck with the new GP and keep updating on your results. Thanks!

[bigboy67]

My E2 came back today, went from 112 to 38 after 5 weeks on arimidex . Sweet! Should be pretty level after 5 weeks of .25mg EOD

[Brohim]

38 is good. Shouldn't need much or any at all on lower doses.

As far as HCG Guys report more pronounced feeling of well being on HCG. Keep us updated on how it goes. How do you like BJJ? Is it easy to learn?

[bass]

My E2 came back today, went from 112 to 38 after 5 weeks on arimidex. Sweet! Should be pretty level after 5 weeks of .25mg EOD

thats great, and thanks for the update!

[brazilian86]

Bjj is the hardest and most advanced martial art in the world!
You never stop learning!

[WerewolfBaby]

great thread thanks, please Read my Noob Fd up PCT thread......My Estrogen is also very high, need to find place to order AI online that will deliver quick, while awaiting back and forth with BioLogicMD on labs I got from another Anti Aging clinic that over charges like gang busters.

I have been grappling 15 years fyi

[brazilian86]

great thread thanks, please Read my Noob Fd up PCT thread......My Estrogen is also very high, need to find place to order AI online that will deliver quick, while awaiting back and forth with BioLogicMD on labs I got from another Anti Aging clinic that over charges like gang busters.

I have been grappling 15 years fyi

Very nice!!! Grappling is nothing compared... Try it with a GI

[bigboy67]

I guess you could say it is really easy to start rolling and learning BJJ, but there are so many tiny body movements that result in different moves that it really is like playing chess with your body.

I have been assured by everyone that basically, for the next 2-4 months I will be choked and tapped and pretzled more times than I will be able to count, lol. But it is great for the ego actually. You know, when you are a big dude, lif heavy weights, tattoos, etc. You generally feel like a tough guy. BJJ is great at breaking down my ego. You tap, or you break. You tap, or you go unconscious. There just isn't any room for ego at that point, I am learning that.