My trek through a new life in TRT

[bigboy67]

OK, so there must be some disconnect between the pricing I am seeing, and how cheap you guys are saying this is supposed to be. I just called three pharmacies; a local compounding pharmacy, walmart, and walgreens.

local compounding pharmacy = $250-300 for 10,000iu compounded
walmart = $1,100 for 10,000 iu
walgreens = $1,800 for 10,000 iu

So tell me what I am missing here. Guys are telling me they are getting 10,000 iu for a $100? Then tell me how, cuz I dont see it happening

[lvs]

damn! the walmart/walgreens pricing sounds like HGH prices. I get mine from overseas pharms, because I can't get a script for it. However after Mad Cow thread earlier, I am wondering if that is such a good idea.

OK, so there must be some disconnect between the pricing I am seeing, and how cheap you guys are saying this is supposed to be. I just called three pharmacies; a local compounding pharmacy, walmart, and walgreens.

local compounding pharmacy = $250-300 for 10,000iu compounded
walmart = $1,100 for 10,000 iu
walgreens = $1,800 for 10,000 iu

So tell me what I am missing here. Guys are telling me they are getting 10,000 iu for a $100? Then tell me how, cuz I dont see it happening

[bass]

damn thats crazy! i got two 10,000 iu vilas for $200 from my clinic!

[bigboy67]

damn thats crazy! i got two 10,000 iu vilas for $200 from my clinic!

WTF?! what am I missing here then, lol. this is crazy, like I am in some sort of bubble where I cant access reasonably priced hcg ?

PM's please. my doc has no problem sending my script to whomever has the reasonably priced hcg, so lemme know so I can get this squared away.

[yannick35]

That is freaken expensive, androgel gel 30 day supply without insurance was 158$ with insurance coverage 33$ per month

Testosterone Enhantate 5ML was 33$ per month without insurance, and 9$ per month after coverage.

[bigboy67]

damn thats crazy! i got two 10,000 iu vilas for $200 from my clinic!

Hey Bass, sent that pharmacy info you gave me to my doc, he said when it comes time for me to re-up, he is going to use your pharmacy. Thanks man, I really appreciate the help from you on this one.

[bigboy67]

10th day on hcg , been doing 250iu eod, havent felt any different yet and havent noticed the boys getting any bigger yet either. will just wait and see i suppose.

[lvs]

10th day on hcg, been doing 250iu eod, havent felt any different yet and havent noticed the boys getting any bigger yet either. will just wait and see i suppose.

This has been my experience as well... I am not seeing or feeling the real joy here.

[bigboy67]

This has been my experience as well... I am not seeing or feeling the real joy here.

Ya, i keep hearing that I am going to feel good, some euhporia, balls swell up, libido boost. but no, I have not felt any of these things so far, but as with everything TRT I am learning to be a little more patient and give it time

[Vettester]

Be patient on the results. I remember that I was getting a little frustrated after about 3 weeks when I first initially got setup on a EOD protocol. Then Wah-Lah, it really started to kick in. Unless there is some other primary condition going on, you will see benefits. Just stay on course.

[Patrickthecool]

Man I wish I had insurance that good. sounds like you are getting what you need

[bigboy67]

Not TRT related, but I am at the hospital, wife is having our first baby

[flatscat]

Bro, Congrats! I pray that everything goes well and is as it should be. Great times. Savor every moment. You will only ever have one "first ".

Flats

[bigboy67]

My little girl. Olivia Grace, 6 pounds 9 ounces, born on Wednesday

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aww very cute congrats dude..

[lvs]

precious congrats...

[kelkel]

your a DAD! Congrats!

[JD250]

Congrats bro!!

[bigboy67]

not sure if its because my sleep schedule has been screwy with the new baby, but i gotta say that as of yet I am pretty dissapointed in adding hcg to my protocol. my boys dont feel like they have swollen up, and i dont feel any sense of well being that wasnt there before. and i am doing 300 iu eod. not sure if i am going to continue after this vial, doesnt seem to be doing much for me

oh, and proud dad alert.....

[bigboy67]

coming out of the weeds from having a newborn baby. today is first day back to work since she was born. just had bloods drawn last week, will post results when i get them.

oh, and i also switched to subQ Test injections as well

[bass]

congratulations on your new baby, thats a pretty looking baby! how long you been on hCG ? usually takes about 3 months or so. it could be bad hCG, i think mine is so we'll see how the next vial will do.

[J DIESEL3]

Congrats man! You are blessed to have such a perfect new baby.The guys are right hang on a bit.I felt the same way as you until the 3rd or 4th week.

[bigboy67]

I will run another 4 weeks of the hcg after this batch runs out, which would put me at 90 days of consistent use of hcg, at that point i will decide if i am gonna keep on the hcg or not

[bigboy67]

doc found me hcg 5000iu, which would last me for two months, for $71.50 shipped, stoked

[flatscat]

glad you found it. what exactly are you hoping to see by using it?

[bigboy67]

glad you found it. what exactly are you hoping to see by using it?

well so far i am not sure i have felt or seen any changes at all. My boys dont seem bigger, i havent noticed any mood lift, etc. so i am not sure what hcg is actually doing for me personally. buttttttttt, i also dropped my Test dose down to 40mg per week and added hcg at the same time, so maybe i would have felt worse without the hcg addition after dropping my dose, so its kind of hard to tell

[flatscat]

what??????

I guess you are going to make me read all your posts .... 40 a week, geeze... that's just enough to shut you down no matter what your added hcg is. Hang on let me read. Really pretty little girl btw!

[flatscat]

40mg's test/week is way less than a healthy male should produce in a week. You will be disappointed with the outcome. Even with the hcg.

Ah yes ..... here it is broski

[bigboy67]

what??????

I guess you are going to make me read all your posts .... 40 a week, geeze... that's just enough to shut you down no matter what your added hcg is. Hang on let me read. Really pretty little girl btw!

you saw my Free Test and Total Test numbers on 80 mg per week right?! huge numbers, so we wanted to see where 40mg per week would put me

[flatscat]

Sorry brother. Doesn't matter who we is... 40 a week will shut any natty production down and in my opinion will negate most benefits from added hcg .

[bigboy67]

I hear ya Flat, and we will find out real soonhow I am doing since we pulled bloods after I had been at 40mg for some time with hcg .

my appt is on tuesday with the doc, so i will post my blood results on tuesday

[nomlas]

Bigboy,
Just found this fourm and your thread! Very good read. I've been trt for 2 1/2 months now, first a gel for 45 days, then swithced to , 200test cyp E5D, 250HCG E5D(one day after test) and analstolzol 1mg E5D(Same day as hcg ). I'm still getting dialed in but I find the hcg has helped in the libido the most and I can feel when I'm running low. No increase in testicle size though, just mantained. I've never felt the big boost everyone refers to on trt, but have felt gradually better. BTW Congrads.

[bigboy67]

my wife let me know that I haven't been all kittens and rainbows the last 6-8 weeks like I had previously thought. apparently I have been a huge bitch to her the last 6-8 weeks. brought it up to the doc, adn we agreed that I should get back up to 80 mg Test Cyp ew.

My bloods were as follows, showing the dip in total and free test (although my free test is still in a nice range)

Total Test 388 [250-1100 ng/dL]
Free Test 111.3 [35.0-155.0 pg/mL]
E2 35 [< or = 39 pg/mL]

Also had my CMP and CBC done as well, with everything coming back on the money except that my Ferritin came in a little low at 40 [20-345 ng/mL] so I am going to add Iron biglycimate 25 mg/day to supplement

Changes to my protocol

OLD
Test cyp 40 mg every wednesday
.25mg anazstrazole e3d
hcg 250mg eod

NEW
Test cyp 80 mg every wednesday
anastrazole 0.5mg every wednesday, friday, sunday
hcg 300iu every sunday and monday

[flatscat]

There you go brother. Back on the right track and off the bitch run lol

[bigboy67]

haha, ya, it was time to get back on a man's TRT protocol, haha

I am going to try to get back to being at about 900 total test, thats where i felt best

[bigboy67]

Hey fellas... long time no post. Time for an update.... Just got my bloods back after being on 100mg Test Cyp EW, .5mg Arimidex 3x a week, and 300hcg 2x a week. I will skip the boring stuff....

Total Test 776 [250-1100 ng/dL]
Free Test 185.5 [35.0-155.0 pg/mL]
E2 {{undetectable}} [< or = 39 pg/mL]

So my total Test is pretty good, and apparently I convert really well to free, so happy about that. Doc said that when they test E2, anything below a 12 is untestable, yikes. What is weird is I havent had any joint issues. I have been having some lower back troubles and some lower back muscle spasms though, reckon that could be it, I thought it was from the training.

I have dropped 30 lbs and 6% BF since January. Real happy about that, especially since my diet wasnt the cleanest for some of that time.

I decided to do a blast for 10 weeks. I am running 400mg Test, 400mg EQ each week, along with 2iu HGH per day, .5mg AI per day, T3 and Clen . I will be running this for 10 weeks, along with a super tight diet. I am in week 3 right now.

Once I have dropped the remaining 20-30 lbs and get down to about 210-220 (depending on where my body most comfortably stabilizes), I am going to stop TRT for 6 weeks and have my bloods drawn. My doc and I think that dropping that level of weight, along with my body's ability to really convert Test well, may put me in a good range where I can be comfortable, and not have to supplement. This is of course with a few other changes like mandatory sleeping schedule, cutting booze, etc.

If I feel like shite, cant operate, and my numbers come back garbage, I am right back on the sauce, no issues with that. Just want to make good and darn sure

[bigboy67]

I am ramping my GH up to 4 iu as of today and for the next 10 weeks

[bigboy67]

Noticed that my lower back has been havign spasms and weakness lately. decided to back my arimidex dose while I am blasting down to .5mg EOD instead of 1mg per day since I seem to be pretty sensitive to AI's. Dropped it a few days ago so hopefully will be able to report back some improvement

[bigboy67]

Back muscles spasms are wayyyyy better now that I bounced down my AI dose to .5mg EOD... Going tomorrow at lunch to go get dunked and check my BF% and diet progress over the last 4 weeks . I definitely feel leaner, and am starting to gain some vascularity in my arms, but only the dunk test will tell.

Will make any necessary changes to my diet if needed. I am only interested in BF loss, not weight, so if I am burning muscle I may crank up the cals a little bit and cut slower, no biggy.

[bigboy67]

got dunked today.

Starting I was 270 lbs, 31.48% BF, 185 lbs lean, 85 lbs fat

Now I am 239 lbs, 23.43% BF, 183 lbs lean, 56 lbs fat

Everything is going great. Will post up another update in 6 more weeks at the end of my blast as I go back to TRT levels.

By the way, lost 6 lbs fat and gained 1 lb muscle in 3.5 weeks on my blast.