21 year old low test

[kelkel]

Tamox is a serm and won't stop estrogen from rising in your system. What it does is block it from binding to the receptors in the chest. Go to the main forum and look through threads in the SARM and PCT forums. You will find some relevent threads there. Swifto also posted a great thread regarding AI's mid January. Be sure to read it. If you use a labcorp by chance I can give you the proper codes for the test to avoid them screwing it up (happened to me and others)

[dchavex]

ok you told me what does the objective of the tamox is, but should i continue taking it or is it worthless??? ive heard that AIs are very tough on blood lipids ( they lower your HDL i think), do you know if this stuff can be taken forever? ive read some threads but they dont mention anything about taking AIs on the long run..

[dchavex]

anyone?

[bullshark99]

chavex
Looks as if Kelkel gave you some good advice reading thru this post. regarding the A.I. (as he stated) take it slow, consequences if you dont, and they are not pleasant. My advice to you would be to continue your search for a good Dr down there, Its tough enough in the states could only imagine where you are but Im sure there out there. 21 is far too young to be basically self-medicating and doing this for the most part on your own when there very well could be an underlying issue.
Best of luck

[dchavex]

well guys, ill be "kick-starting" my TRT with a cycle of boldenone , test, and oxandrolone, lasting about 12-14 weeks, if ill be using 375 mg of test e, and 200-250 mg of boldenone, what AI dose would you recommend to take? and what AI is better in your opinion? Ive heard really good things about Aromasin lately, but it seems that most of the experienced members are still on Adex... Im sure i can get the Adex without a problem, but i havent seen any Aromasin over here...

[kelkel]

Tamox is not hard on lipids and can improve them in the short term. DC I'm confused now. Are you interested in TRT or cycling as what your doing here is definitly not TRT. If you do the above you will probably need an AI to keep your E2 in check (BW.) Aromasin reads really well but I've never tried it and most on this forum use adex. Swifto prefers Aromasin. Read his post from mid January titled "Why an AI is necessary while on a Cycle" or something like that anyway. You should probably post in the anabolic forum with your intended cycle to get some feedback there. Good luck!

[Vettester]

Not sure what you mean by kick starting your TRT? What happens after the 12 to 14 weeks?

[dchavex]

well guys, ill be "kick-starting" my TRT with a cycle of boldenone , test, and oxandrolone, lasting about 12-14 weeks, if ill be using 375 mg of test e, and 200-250 mg of boldenone, what AI dose would you recommend to take? and what AI is better in your opinion? Ive heard really good things about Aromasin lately, but it seems that most of the experienced members are still on Adex... Im sure i can get the Adex without a problem, but i havent seen any Aromasin over here...

[dchavex]

sorry about that, when i hit the refresh button it sends the message all over again... vetteman after that 12 weeks ill continue with my normal test shots, the anti aging doc i saw told me that is trial and error to see what my dosage is, and since ill be tapering down from that amount of test, ill do first 150 mg/week and see where my levels are with that dose, unless you have a better idea of course¡¡

[dchavex]

kelkel thank you very much for all your comments =)... im interested in cycling also, but as you already know i will be in TRT... so instead of doing a PCT ill just taper down the amount of test till normal levels are achieved right?
About the AI... ok then ill start with Adex too, hopefully i wont need something stronger
About the AI dose, i think you recommend starting with .25 mg twice per week on TRT, but for the intended "cycle" do you recommend strating with that dose or should i up the dose a little bit?

[Vettester]

All I can suggest is that you work closely with your doctor on this, and keep us posted with your progress and lab results.

Also, I know a really good homeopathic doctor in Guadalajara. I'm not all into the homeopathic stuff, but I have seen this guy do some pretty impressive things. Just let me know if you might be interested and I'll gladly send you his info.

[dchavex]

Thanks vetteman, im neither into the homeopathic stuff lol probably because my dad is a doc himself and he is waaaaay too sceptic, but what i really need is a doctor (NOT ANTI-AGING) that would do TRT... The reason that i need a doc and not an anti aging doc, is that anti aging meds are not covered by social insurance, if you get to know someone ill really apreciate it, so far i havent found anyone except for the Anti-aging doc im currently with...

[Vettester]

Welcome to the club my friend ... Most of the 'good' HRT medical support in the US is the same way, meaning out of pocket. I could get it from my PCP, but they don't look at HCG or AI's ... Although, they are getting a little better, and I finally got my female doc to realize that estrogen control needs to be addressed for men on testosterone . So, maybe there's hope. Anyways, I've had to go out of pocket with the clinic route myself to get treated sufficiently.

I imagine the mainstream doctors are even further behind the curve on HRT than what we see up here.

[dchavex]

hmm my dad is looking for a way to get the meds out of the hospital he works in, ill have news on thiss by next week. Ill keep you guys posted

[kelkel]

[QUOTE=dchavex;5923734]kelkel thank you very much for all your comments =)... im interested in cycling also, but as you already know i will be in TRT... so instead of doing a PCT ill just taper down the amount of test till normal levels are achieved right? That works. PCT not required
About the AI... ok then ill start with Adex too, hopefully i wont need something stronger just adex. Not both
About the AI dose, i think you recommend starting with .25 mg twice per week on TRT, but for the intended "cycle" do you recommend strating with that dose or should i up the dose a little bit Probably have to but your guessing w/o BW

In bold above...

[808 Lifter]

Hey- I just skimmed thru the thread, and first off, let me say that if English is a second language for you, it is excellent; I spend 5 months a year in Baja, and just get by with my Espanol. I have been on and off hrt for years, and like the others said you don't want to start if you can avoid it. That being said, I was undiagnosed until well into my 30s and couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me despite complaints of the symptoms to my doctor when I was about your age; he sent me to a psych for depression. Anyway my advice would be to insist on a second opinion before you start your "self medication". The next endo you see may want a new blood test, and if you have been self medicating you will screw up the results. Also do a web search for hormone repla***ent Mexico; I did that because like another member here my medical insurance is with Kaiser, and when I'm in Southren Baja for 4-5 months my HRT goes out the window. I found places in Tijuana and Mexico City, but dont remember Guadalahara. I have tried to purchase OTC while there but the stuff (injectable) is so painful I cant walk for 4 days. I use Androgel here in the US, but would rather have Cyp, but you gotta take what you can get with Kaiser. BTW if anyone has any hrt suggestions for me for when I am in Mexico, I'm all ears....I havent found Androgel while there.

[dchavex]

thanks a lot for your responses guys, and yes, english is a second language for me... i managed to learn something from all the videogames i played when i was younger lol...
kelkel, man i cant thank you enough for all the good info you give me, and let me tel you that tomorrow begins my 4th week of the cycle and im feeling noticeably better than before, nothing extraordinary but since most people say that test kicks in at week 3-4, im not worried.
ive got arimidex and HCG in my hands right now and i want to use them right away, i would appreciate if you help me with my schedule...
MON 250mg Sustanon and 100 mg boldenone
THU 125 mg Sustanon and 100 mg boldenone
SAT 100 mg boldenone

IF i want to add the HCG and the A-dex, how will my schedule look??

[dchavex]

ohh lifter, i have also used primoteston depot (250 mg/ml) and the injection is almost painless, you could try that one... and im injecting my butt with a 21g 32 mm

[pugster]

what you are doing is a cycle afaik , not hrt , you dont need to 'kickstart' hrt the whole point is to keep everything as constant and smooth as possible to mimick natural production.

[dchavex]

pugster who said something about the "need" to kickstart??? i said i WANT to do a cycle, and since ill be on TRT, ill just taper down the test dose, i would appreciate if you help me with my questions above.

[pugster]

well guys, ill be "kick-starting" my TRT with a cycle of boldenone, test, and oxandrolone, lasting about 12-14 weeks, if ill be using 375 mg of test e, and 200-250 mg of boldenone, what AI dose would you recommend to take? and what AI is better in your opinion? Ive heard really good things about Aromasin lately, but it seems that most of the experienced members are still on Adex... Im sure i can get the Adex without a problem, but i havent seen any Aromasin over here...

ok you didnt say 'need', however per above you do say you will be 'kickstarting' your trt , maybe im reading it wrong ???
if you want to cycle why would you use less T ? most here just add to it afaik , someone should be able to help you here tho you might get a faster response in the other forum for ppl doing cycles.

[dchavex]

lol the word kick-starting is just a way to say that i will be in TRT, but im doing an AAS cycle first and then ill continue with the normal Testosterone dose instead of doing PCT...
but hey, what do you think of this:
SUN 250 ui HCG
MON 250mg Sustanon .25 mg A-dex and 100 mg boldenone
WED .25 mg A-dex and 250 ui HCG
THU 125 mg Sustanon and 100 mg boldenone
FRI .25 mg A-dex
SAT 100 mg boldenone
SUN .25 mg A-dex

[dchavex]

no one???

[big_ron]

thanks a lot for your responses guys, and yes, english is a second language for me... i managed to learn something from all the videogames i played when i was younger lol...
kelkel, man i cant thank you enough for all the good info you give me, and let me tel you that tomorrow begins my 4th week of the cycle and im feeling noticeably better than before, nothing extraordinary but since most people say that test kicks in at week 3-4, im not worried.
ive got arimidex and HCG in my hands right now and i want to use them right away, i would appreciate if you help me with my schedule...
MON 250mg Sustanon and 100 mg boldenone
THU 125 mg Sustanon and 100 mg boldenone
SAT 100 mg boldenone

IF i want to add the HCG and the A-dex, how will my schedule look??

HCG 250iu X 2 per week