Full Bloodwork with ranges = Healthy Hormones??

[zaggahamma]

I'm gonna throw this out there for scrutiny..... Oscar says he's boinking his women as much as 7 times a week, zinc is crucial to sperm production, excess zinc is lost through ejaculation....low FSH, low sperm count, low zinc........am I overthinking or totally off base with this connection, not saying this is the cause of how he feels just wondering if the low FSH is related to the constant boinking through low zinc. Anyone?

must be why i aint ripped

[steroid.com 1]

I'm gonna throw this out there for scrutiny..... Oscar says he's boinking his women as much as 7 times a week, zinc is crucial to sperm production, excess zinc is lost through ejaculation....low FSH, low sperm count, low zinc........am I overthinking or totally off base with this connection, not saying this is the cause of how he feels just wondering if the low FSH is related to the constant boinking through low zinc. Anyone?

Interesting hypothesis...possibly I guess...it could be something simple like timing of when his blood was pulled.

[oscar1990]

Whats a sticky? sorry im new to this

Where are the stickies located?

[oscar1990]

must be why i aint ripped

loll

[steroid.com 1]

Whats a sticky? sorry im new to this

Where are the stickies located?

Look for the threads at the top of the forum marked
"important".

[ecdysone]

Ecdysone I have posted free T levels, do you have any additional input?

Sorry, not much. Your free test levels are fine.

What's worrisome is your extremely low FSH, therefore very high LH:FSH ratio.

SEOINAGE is on the right path to question the development of your HPTA axis, but unfortunately, LH is the problem here - typically FSH reaches it's full level earlier in life and then LH has to "mature." The natural production of LH is also very cyclic during the day showing "spurts" every 2 hours or so... again, not in keeping with your high LH:FSH ratio.

In primary hypogonadism LH:FSH ratios tend to be high, as your is, but your test production is not all that bad, even for a 22 YO... so a bit of a puzzle.

Might just be you have a genetic abnormally in your FSH receptors, which wouldn't effect the LH feedback loop.

Can't recommend much except to undertake annual labwork using expanded hormone panels and just keeping an eye on things.

[kelkel]

I'm gonna throw this out there for scrutiny..... Oscar says he's boinking his women as much as 7 times a week, zinc is crucial to sperm production, excess zinc is lost through ejaculation....low FSH, low sperm count, low zinc........am I overthinking or totally off base with this connection, not saying this is the cause of how he feels just wondering if the low FSH is related to the constant boinking through low zinc. Anyone?

Your just jealous JD, as are most of us.......

[zaggahamma]

Sorry, not much. Your free test levels are fine.

What's worrisome is your extremely low FSH, therefore very high LH:FSH ratio.

SEOINAGE is on the right path to question the development of your HPTA axis, but unfortunately, LH is the problem here - typically FSH reaches it's full level earlier in life and then LH has to "mature." The natural production of LH is also very cyclic during the day showing "spurts" every 2 hours or so... again, not in keeping with your high LH:FSH ratio.

In primary hypogonadism LH:FSH ratios tend to be high, as your is, but your test production is not all that bad, even for a 22 YO... so a bit of a puzzle.

Might just be you have a genetic abnormally in your FSH receptors, which wouldn't effect the LH feedback loop.

Can't recommend much except to undertake annual labwork using expanded hormone panels and just keeping an eye on things.

so this is a case where no the patient has no treatment options...like the common cold/virus?

[oscar1990]

What is ideal FSH:LH ratio?

[oscar1990]

The distinction between primary and secondary hypogonadism is made by measurement of the serum concentrations of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH):

The patient has primary hypogonadism if the serum testosterone concentration and the sperm count are below normal and the serum LH and FSH concentrations are above normal. ???
The patient has secondary hypogonadism if the serum testosterone concentration and the sperm count are subnormal and the serum LH and FSH concentrations are normal or reduced.

[JD250]

I'm still stuck on Zinc, one of the remedies for low FSH is zinc, I just did a little research and found several references to unexplained secondary hypogonadism in young men with low FSH as a main indicator and there seems to be a correlation between severe zinc deficiency and low FSH, not joking about Oscar boinking his women that often as I came across one article that mentioned that you could lose a couple grams everytime you blow a load( maybe I misread that)

Here is a link to one write up, here's an excerpt..Severe and moderate deficiency of zinc is associated with hypogonadism in men. However, the effect of marginal zinc deficiency on serum testosterone concentration is not known.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519


Kel is correct......I am jealous.....7 times a week!!

[ecdysone]

I came across one article that mentioned that you could lose a couple grams everytime you blow a load( maybe I misread that)

JD, the math is just not there... typical load (unless you're Peter North) is something like 3 mL x 100 ug/mL of Zinc = 300 ug or 0.3 mg/load

You need at least 10 mg Zinc/day not to be deficient and if you eat meat you get several times more than that.

I think most guys here probably also take a multivitamin each day, so a zinc deficiency is highly unlikely.

[oscar1990]

I often eat oysters, salmon, other fish, chicken breast, organic lamb and beef. I dont think im deficient

[oscar1990]

Hey just a quick update, I actually had a CT scan which indicated the following on my doctors statement:

Conclusion-
"Thickened loop of terminal ileum with surrounding mesenteric nodes/mesenteric stranding. Given the age of the patient the major differential of exclusion is that of Inflammatory Bowel Disease. A terminal ileitis due to Yersinia may also have a similar appearance".

I only stated the conclusion as it is quite broad.

I dont know if this is linked to my hormones, etc or why I am feeling this way and I guess if it is, I dont know whether to be happy with shitty hormones or a shitty bowel. I have always eaten healthy from the ages 18 onwards and now possible face IBD. If this is a combination of IBD and ****ed up hormones, I may aswel be dead. lol I still feel very fatigued, sluggish and mind-blank.

Insufficient Hormones and IBD = ****ed.

This forum has been very helpful and would like to thank all who posted in response to my concern, I tried another few websites like *********, Body-Building.com and was overlooked by members.

I hope I can still lift as I have never had a good body when I was young and was hoping to be at my peak physique by 25, future doesn't look so bright after all.

[oscar1990]

J - He's 22 with normal levels, his symptoms could be a result of a hundred things...

I don't see anything in his BW that would justify shutting him down for the rest if his life.

Just like we don't like to see anyone under 25 using gear the same is true here..he's not done growing up yet and not diagnosed.

I just don't see it and I'm sorry.

Hopefully you were right and my hormones are back to normal after bowel treatment.

[zaggahamma]

Hopefully you were right and my hormones are back to normal after bowel treatment.

what are your treatments consisting of and when do they start?

this will be a first around here with the 2 variables and wish u the best and hope you keep us posted

[JD250]

You're always welcome here, the reason most of us come here is to do what we can to help people just like you, most of us wandered in here with some kind of health issue so shame on us if we ever ignore or turn someone away, not saying anything bad about other sites or claiming that we are perfect but I do know that the guys here are top notch. Please keep us updated in this thread on how the treatment goes and any bloodwork afterwards.

[SEOINAGE]

What other things could I eliminate to find the 'cause' ?

I dont get it? I get complimented on how coarse my facial hair is? I have visible hair all over my body (legs, arms, chest) 'androgenic hair'

I dont understand what could be causing this; I have in the past had lower chronic stomach pain which almost feels like an upset stomach with gas, I doubt this could be so significant enough to lower my T ? lol.

Pissed off man,

also gdevine thanks for your opinion and understand your perspective.

When I first read this I was thinking crohn's disease or of a friend that has IBS. Glad the doctor was able to find something, not glad you have issues, but it is a step to getting yourself in the right place. Not sure how your test levels will move, but i would think it is something that would take time and you will be battling constantly. I also noticed you mention oatmeal in another post, you might also have issues with gluten, that is something you could completely remove from your diet and see how it affects you, i mean even if you aren't allergic. Some people have had great results to their health cutting it out, and I know when I do my gut is much less bloated.

[oscar1990]

thanks for the support everybody, this friday I will be visiting my GP.

I couldn't come across any information on the internet which definitively answers my question.

So my question is: If my crohn's is treated with cortico steroids to reduce inflammation will cortico steroids shut my serum levels of Total testosterone down?

anticipating responses

[Vettester]

Don't worry, corticosteroids are not an anabolic class steroid , and they will not affect your HPTA. There are different types of steroids . Vitamin D is also a steroid (secosteroid), but not anything that will cause hypogonadism.

[oscar1990]

Ok wonderful, I was hoping it wouldn't. Thanks for clarification vetteman08

[oscar1990]

Hey can anyone clarify if these statements are correct by biologically/chemically justifying?

1. Corticosteroids can increase libido and stamina without interfering with male hormones? (I do not understand how this can occur without increasing androgens? thus resulting in shutting down testosterone and other male hormones)
2. Corticosteroids can not shutdown androgens? (Vetteman08) I acknowledge your opinion but just want someone to justify

Note: I saw my specialist and will be having an endoscopy to diagnose my Crohn's, my doctor was discussing prescription medicine and I was asking alot of questions which included corticosteroids decreasing male hormone production.

I have been doing my own research and found with my own research that cortico steroids cannot shutdown production but only affect the hormone CORTISOL. I am just seeking some medical opinions from people on this board as they have been very helpful in the past.

Cheers.

[Vettester]

Hey can anyone clarify if these statements are correct by biologically/chemically justifying?

1. Corticosteroids can increase libido and stamina without interfering with male hormones? (I do not understand how this can occur without increasing androgens? thus resulting in shutting down testosterone and other male hormones)
2. Corticosteroids can not shutdown androgens? (Vetteman08) I acknowledge your opinion but just want someone to justify

Note: I saw my specialist and will be having an endoscopy to diagnose my Crohn's, my doctor was discussing prescription medicine and I was asking alot of questions which included corticosteroids decreasing male hormone production.

I have been doing my own research and found with my own research that cortico steroids cannot shutdown production but only affect the hormone CORTISOL. I am just seeking some medical opinions from people on this board as they have been very helpful in the past.

Cheers.

Sounds like you answered your own question.

[zaggahamma]

Sounds like you answered your own question.

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[Flier]

Throw that pre workout crap away, if anything will make you feel like crap, that will do it after extended use....do you even know what's in it and what it does to your body....throw it out and eat a bowl of oatmeal and have a cup of coffee 1/2 hour before your workout. I know several people who quit using all this preworkout stuff and found that they feel better after a while off. Just my opinion from personal experience and experiences of others....of course some will say it's great. Get to the diet section and tell them what your eating, those guys will help you out with advise on preworkout food, you might be suprised what you feel like if you change a few things like that. Take vitamin D.

Been wondering last couple of months where that awesome "high" I got from that stuff went.
Now all it does is make me slightly nauseous.

[groundfighter1]

I suggest checking out the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. There is a lot of good information about diet and how it can affect your hormones (especially if you have G.I. issues)

[oscar1990]

I just wanted to update my current status and also ask a question.

Tomorrow I am going for an Endoscopy for further investigation and particulars, my fatigue levels are on-going and I have developed a weird symptom, after eating a meal I have puffy nipples ? WTF! I have not been training and due to the crohn's and I am becoming skinny fat.. my weight is 76.5 at 183cm. This really shit me as I have never had gyno or puffy nipples and had a cut chest.

Question 1 - Could my crohn's/inflammation affecting my sex hormones, thus causing puffy nipples??

Question 2 - Can high CRP-inflammation cause high SHBG, thus binding my T levels furthermore causing puffy nipples and skinny fat physique.

note: I will be treated with medication on the 24th. I have recently been lifting weights but cannot feel that tight isolation feeling when pushing weights, thus REALLY ****ING SHITTING ME.

My CRP levels were between 40-50 range= < 6

p.s puffy nipples are not pleasant.
Looking forward to comments.

[oscar1990]

Probably shouldnt have posted ^ this here but my previous health issues are all listed which makes it practical