Women using Test cream

**keep fightin** · 03-17-2012, 11:00 PM

Her health demands the T, Doc. Suzanne Sommers always jokes that just give the guy some T and its all good! As a team you will get her humminn.. my wife saw me kinda react to the once a week shot after a few months and agreed to 2xew, see how it goes.. a thorough bw is really eye opening for women, all those extra hormones [ thyroid!] even if your experience does not have a dramatic change short-term you guys are turning back the clock on her health, good luck and keep us posted, especially the bw and overall feeling, my wife is pulling for you guys!

**NEMESIS RR** · 03-17-2012, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by doc w

After much soul searching and researching my wife decided to listen to my advice and received her first sq injection of sq test 10 mg wednesday night. I have not noticed any differences in the last 3 days except she is in pms land/ monthly visitor right now and always gets horrible migraines, but has not had any yet. She does not want biweekly injections although I think that would give more stable levels and easier control. I will bw in three weeks since we will be on vacation near a lab. Will keep abreast of progress. Hopefully this has been a cause of many of her problems since it was so low

I recommend next shot be only 4 or 5 mg. Keep it at the lower dose and then adjust up or down. Most clinical trials in Europe used only 2mg a week and had benifits. I think the drug was evratest. Women are very sensitive to test. You may scare her with the sides and have her quit.

My love also suffered from migrains but not since the test.

**doc w** · 03-18-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by NEMESIS RR

I recommend next shot be only 4 or 5 mg. Keep it at the lower dose and then adjust up or down. Most clinical trials in Europe used only 2mg a week and had benifits. I think the drug was evratest. Women are very sensitive to test. You may scare her with the sides and have her quit.

My love also suffered from migrains but not since the test.

Thanks, I will dial it down

**doc w** · 03-21-2012, 03:51 PM

Great news, my wy wife found a local female pa to do hrt. She has apps in may but already started her on a cream. I would prefer injections but Ivan open to the cream. The pharmacist told her to put in on the back of her knee or ankles, while the pa wants her to put it on her lady parts. Any thoughts? They are also going to stop her birth control pill and start her on estrogen and progesterone cream.

**JohnnyVegas** · 03-21-2012, 06:03 PM

^^^^ I have read that putting it on her lady parts is a misguided and antiquated way of doing it. My wife puts hers the outside of her thighs. My wife stopped BC as well. My wife is the opposite of yours. She has crazy high estrogen numbers, so she is on testosterone and progesterone. And DHEA as well.

My wife likes the cream. She would never inject. She even leaves the bathroom if she knows I am going to do my shot.

**doc w** · 03-21-2012, 06:23 PM

Thanks, I will keep her lady parts free of test cream and functioning for their normal purposes. Although I was hoping for an extra test dose at least several times a week.

**JohnnyVegas** · 03-21-2012, 07:11 PM

My wife has been using her cream for about three weeks, and swears she doesn't feel a darn thing. She thought maybe she was a little edgy and combative, but it could be the stress she is under at work. She has some acne on her chest, but that is something that comes and goes naturally so there is no way of knowing if it is a side. No libido changes. No body changes. Nothing.

We are thinking is could take four to five weeks, but thought she would have some minor changes three weeks in. Still waiting.

**SlimmerMe** · 03-21-2012, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

My wife has been using her cream for about three weeks, and swears she doesn't feel a darn thing. She thought maybe she was a little edgy and combative, but it could be the stress she is under at work. She has some acne on her chest, but that is something that comes and goes naturally so there is no way of knowing if it is a side. No libido changes. No body changes. Nothing.

We are thinking is could take four to five weeks, but thought she would have some minor changes three weeks in. Still waiting.

I know you said could be stress and natural.....but! these little things might be adding up a bit....slowly...

Hope she is taking notes. That helps because it is amazing how ya forget these little things later down the road....

**doc w** · 03-21-2012, 07:58 PM

My wife has had one 10 mg cyp injection and cream for one day. I am going to have her blood checked in about 2 weeks and check results. Takes two weeks to reach steady state with cream. IMO or takes a while for test receptors to upregulate especially if they haven't seen the hormone in a while.

**JohnnyVegas** · 03-21-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

I know you said could be stress and natural.....but! these little things might be adding up a bit....slowly...

Hope she is taking notes. That helps because it is amazing how ya forget these little things later down the road....

She is keeping track.

She is running a business and finishing her MBA. Between work and homework she is working from 9am until 10pm or midnight. Sooooo, tracking energy levels and moods is a bit...difficult.

**NEMESIS RR** · 03-21-2012, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by doc w

Great news, my wy wife found a local female pa to do hrt. She has apps in may but already started her on a cream. I would prefer injections but Ivan open to the cream. The pharmacist told her to put in on the back of her knee or ankles, while the pa wants her to put it on her lady parts. Any thoughts? They are also going to stop her birth control pill and start her on estrogen and progesterone cream.

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Is there any Test in the cream? I don't agree with estrogen and progesterone at the same time. It would have been best to go progesterone see how it works then test, then estrogen. To may things to dial in at once. How do you know what is causing what?

**keep fightin** · 03-21-2012, 11:11 PM

Vegas and Doc, you both need to take your ladies to a deserted tropical island with plenty of meds and get dialed in! how do our lives get so busy..Nemesis certainly has a point,look at all the discussion us guys are having with A.I.-T-frequency issues lately. hope our knowledgeable gals keep jumping in here.

**doc w** · 03-22-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by NEMESIS RR

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Is there any Test in the cream? I don't agree with estrogen and progesterone at the same time. It would have been best to go progesterone see how it works then test, then estrogen. To may things to dial in at once. How do you know what is causing what?

The cream is testosterone only. She is otherwise on the pill and can't come off of this otherwise she would get migraines on a daily basis. Plan at this point is to do the pill( birth control) and testosterone cream until her appointment and then start her on progesterone and estrogen creams as well. In her case I'm not sure progesterone only cream would be an option since she makes no estrogen and her migraines would be unbearable. She only gets bad migraines during her period when she is off the pill otherwise they are manageable.

**doc w** · 03-22-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by keep fightin

Vegas and Doc, you both need to take your ladies to a deserted tropical island with plenty of meds and get dialed in! how do our lives get so busy..Nemesis certainly has a point,look at all the discussion us guys are having with A.I.-T-frequency issues lately. hope our knowledgeable gals keep jumping in here.

Where do I sign up and who's willing to take my kids for three months

**NEMESIS RR** · 03-22-2012, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by doc w

The cream is testosterone only. She is otherwise on the pill and can't come off of this otherwise she would get migraines on a daily basis. Plan at this point is to do the pill( birth control) and testosterone cream until her appointment and then start her on progesterone and estrogen creams as well. In her case I'm not sure progesterone only cream would be an option since she makes no estrogen and her migraines would be unbearable. She only gets bad migraines during her period when she is off the pill otherwise they are manageable.

Then you are going good. I thought you were introducing all the hormones at once.

**JohnnyVegas** · 03-22-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by keep fightin

How do our lives get so busy?

entrepreneurial spirit! I own a small business and am starting another. My wife has a business and school and then she will be helping with the startup. Thank goodness we don't have kids or we would be dead.

**keep fightin** · 03-22-2012, 05:17 PM

^^ with you brother! my wife and I have ran a photography biz for 24 years, one difference,we have 5 kids!, so have found some free time along the way.. re-read #47 and I just wonder if its time to look at shots again? my wife is using a 31 gauge 5/16 pin twice a week,painless and noticed a big change in libido, muscle, etc . She swears libido jumped after just 3 shots, could be wishful thinking but I'm not complaining

**JohnnyVegas** · 03-22-2012, 08:30 PM

^^^^ Man, I couldn't handle five kids even if I had NO job. I cannot fathom how you do it. Kudos to you.

We were told that it could take four weeks, plus her lifestyle makes it hard to gauge gradual changes. She would need to feel hit with a hormonal sledgehammer to notice it with everything that is going on. We are going to give it a few more weeks and see what happens.

She probably could do shots, but she doesn't want to. She has a serious needle issue. It is just fear like many of us had - it took me several minutes before I was finally able to jab myself the first time.

The one thing we have going for us is that she is too busy to mess with the placebo effect. She never sits around with nothing to do and wonders if she feels different.

**keep fightin** · 03-22-2012, 11:59 PM

^^ yeah, with all that now is probably not the time to play with needles! I know women have had positive outcomes with the cream, objectively, We know that hormone repla***ent properly dialed in will help her in ways not so obvious, she's lucky to have your support JohnnyVegas.. I was actually sweating on my first jab!

**doc w** · 03-27-2012, 12:37 PM

My wife met with hormone specialist who treats both women and men. She has been on low dose test cream for two weeks without much difference. She is going to be on this for another couple months before adding in estrogen and progesterone cream. Her thyroid also looked somewhat borderline with a Tsh at 2.4 according to this gal. She is going to run additional labs with t3, free t3 and reverse t3. I'm hoping these are abnormal which would explain fatigue. Next step is to add in estrogen and progesterone cream. We can't have marital relations right after application or my Johnson will start to want watching soap opera's and wearing women's underwear.. Any thoughts on this protocol?

**keep fightin** · 03-29-2012, 12:51 AM

no expert but women seem so much more elegantly designed than us and need even more fine tuning, we added one thing at a time except for nutritional supps. the more my wife and I have shared this with her women friends the more we see sub optimal thyroid function. Doc, my wife is having good results with topical cream applied to areas that mr johnson normally doesn't visit, might be worth some research there, by good results I mean no more night sweats, hot flashes gone, calmer, etc