no sex drive

[gary nicholson]

hey guys, im 48 years old and have been on trt for over 2 years now. my problem except for a few instances is my sex drive is pretty much gone coupled with soft erections. as you can imagine this is really bothering me. my last blood work showed my test level a week after my injection to be about 450. i take 100mg once a week.i was taking arimidex twice a week but stopped after my estridiol level was really low at 9. i have tried going without or taking smaller amounts of this medication in the past without any real difference one way or the other. i just started taking hcg a week ago, so far no difference. any ideas at all would be greatly appreciated.

[steroid.com 1]

When did you discontinue the AI? You may need time for your E2 levels to rebound. Your symptoms are typical for low/tanked E2.

Try adding in 5mg of Tadalafil daily. You can also add in 2mg of Doxazosin daily as well if you want a great erection. Tadalafil increases NO while Doxazosin relaxes the smooth muscles = good erection anytime.

[keep fightin]

Gary! ^^^ listen to GD, I have followed this and it really works, the crashed E2 sucks! everyone has their different issues to sort out but this protocol will help really anyone

[zaggahamma]

ed isnt always contributed to test and estrogen...just FTR

[steroid.com 1]

ed isnt always contributed to test and estrogen...just FTR

No doubt bro but when a brother presents with 9 (pg/ml I assume) you gotta put 1 and 1 together.

[zaggahamma]

No doubt bro but when a brother presents with 9 (pg/ml I assume) you gotta put 1 and 1 together.

ofcourse
i was referring more to the fact he laid off the ai and still having problems...
i'll reread and see if i read wrong
just wanted to throw it out there anyway but if e2 at 9 then yes i would assume that to be the factor first

[gary nicholson]

its been atleast a month since i went off the arimidex .its amazing how much you guys know about this and i appreciate the great responses.i've tried different dosages of the arimidex for enough time to evaluate and so far there just isnt much difference. i will look into the prescriptions mentioned.i understand the cialis but what wouldace inhibiter do?another thing. im in good health. have good blood pressure and am not overweight

[spywizard]

does your doc have you on hcg as well??

[gary nicholson]

just started hgc. been on it a week

[kelkel]

Gary, like GD said, you may need a little time to allow your E to rise. Some people are just low converters and you may not need the AI after all. That would be a good thing as less is more in our world. We all "think" we need the AI but some just don't. I seem to be a low converter myself and do not currently use an AI and won't unless something changes. How long ago did you stop the AI? Have you felt any nipple sensitivity or otherwise signs of a rebound? Was your E level high at one point?

We did have one member here who crashed his E recently and basically bumped up his T for a brief period and brought it back up. Worked for him.

[JD250]

Gary, this is a question for a few of the pros here so don't think I'm suggesting anything....yet. Guys, when someone has crashed e2 would it make sense to significantly increase the dose of test for a few weeks in an attempt to bring e2 back up more quickly than just waiting it out? Especially for those who don't convert quickly?

This is why I need glasses....K-rist!!! Just saw the last line in your post Kel.

[gary nicholson]

its been something like 6 weeks since i quit taking the ai. i would think it would be out of my system by now

[kelkel]

Yes, it's out. It has about a 72hr half life. Time for some BW then. No need to fast to check your E2 also. I'm sure it's up some you just need to know how much. Example mine was at less than 3 at one time. Cut the AI in half and retested one month later at 5. Stopped the AI totally and retested in another month at 15 (used nolvadex during spike period.) Another month 16 then once again at 15. I seem to hover right around there naturally. We are all different.

When you get it to a satisfactory level consider switching to twice weekly injections like a lot of us do. Just split the weekly dose in half and inject every 3.5 days. More frequent yet smaller injections equal more stable levels as well as less spike in E levels. Just a thought!

[Vettester]

When did you discontinue the AI? You may need time for your E2 levels to rebound. Your symptoms are typical for low/tanked E2.

Try adding in 5mg of Tadalafil daily. You can also add in 2mg of Doxazosin daily as well if you want a great erection. Tadalafil increases NO while Doxazosin relaxes the smooth muscles = good erection anytime.

GD, not to hijack, but that's real interesting about the combo with the Tad & Dox. The older I get, the worse my bladder and all of that stuff gets too. Doing some more research on the Dox, but might look into adding it into my program as well. Good info, thanks!

[steroid.com 1]

GD, not to hijack, but that's real interesting about the combo with the Tad & Dox. The older I get, the worse my bladder and all of that stuff gets too. Doing some more research on the Dox, but might look into adding it into my program as well. Good info, thanks!

Yes, the combination of the two when coadministered provide for a much better erection. Doxazosin is a alpha-1 antagonist so your smooth muscles will relax allowing for greater blood flow. It will increase urine flow as both the prostrate and penis are largely made up of smooth muscel.

I take a 5mg of Tadalafil and 1mg of Doxazosin before bed and wake up with an excellent erection and it's consistent morning after morning...been some time since I could say that. I also take another 5mg of Tadalafil and 1mg of Doxazosin in the afternoon about 12 hours apart. The key here is to keep the alpha-1 inhibitor to the smallest dose...this is not a more is better situation so 2mg in 24 hours should do it. Also, Doxazosin has a long half life like 16 hours and Tadalafil has about 18 hours so you can get a great erection on demand!

Also, like my Doc said to me yesterday, (he's now prescribing Doxazosin and a pde5-i as well), vasodilation is a good and healthy thing and with these low daily doses it will do just that.

Associated links:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21602833
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21053074
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19143907

[kelkel]

Yes, the combination of the two when coadministered provide for a much better erection. Doxazosin is a alpha-1 antagonist so your smooth muscles will relax allowing for greater blood flow. It will increase urine flow as both the prostrate and penis are largely made up of smooth muscel.

I take a 5mg of Tadalafil and 1mg of Doxazosin before bed and wake up with an excellent erection and it's consistent morning after morning...been some time since I could say that. I also take another 5mg of Tadalafil and 1mg of Doxazosin in the afternoon about 12 hours apart. The key here is to keep the alpha-1 inhibitor to the smallest dose...this is not a more is better situation so 2mg in 24 hours should do it. Also, Doxazosin has a long half life like 16 hours and Tadalafil has about 18 hours so you can get a great erection on demand!

Also, like my Doc said to me yesterday, (he's now prescribing Doxazosin and a pde5-i as well), vasodilation is a good and healthy thing and with these low daily doses it will do just that.

Quit your bragging!

[JD250]

^^^ LOL Let me get this straight Woody (GD)....you take both compounds at the above mentioned doses twice a day at 12hr intervals? I was previously under the assumption that it was a once a day dosing that you used.

[steroid.com 1]

^^^ LOL Let me get this straight Woody (GD)....you take both compounds at the above mentioned doses twice a day at 12hr intervals? I was previously under the assumption that it was a once a day dosing that you used.

I take both 12 hours apart. Low doses spread out keeps serum levels optimized so on demand erections are easy and impressive.

I should mention in the relaxed flacid state size is very impressive ad well!

[kelkel]

^^^Get your wife on here. I need to interview her!

[Squirrel88]

I take both 12 hours apart. Low doses spread out keeps serum levels optimized so on demand erections are easy and impressive.

I should mention in the relaxed flacid state size is very impressive ad well!

I guess that and no need for those worthless hammers around the house.

[freshmaker]

Cialis is not cheap! I pay 300 for 10 pills at the pharmacy. What are you paying?

[lovbyts]

Cialis is not cheap! I pay 300 for 10 pills at the pharmacy. What are you paying?

Holy cow!!! I would be buying it from AR-R (Liquid Cia 30mL 30mg/mL) especially since it's on sale right now and you save $20.

[keep fightin]

freshmaker, I can only relate my experience, but I use a very reliable overseas pharmacy for a variety of meds. I pay $1.42 per 20mg of Cialis, breaking them in half and taking it around 8-9 pm has me good to go that night and next morning. I am going to check their price for the 10mg pill and order the Doxazosin per Woody's suggestion. I know there is risk but as GD has pointed out , pharmacies here use overseas meds as well, do your homework, $300 is crazy!

[freshmaker]

freshmaker, I can only relate my experience, but I use a very reliable overseas pharmacy for a variety of meds. I pay $1.42 per 20mg of Cialis, breaking them in half and taking it around 8-9 pm has me good to go that night and next morning. I am going to check their price for the 10mg pill and order the Doxazosin per Woody's suggestion. I know there is risk but as GD has pointed out , pharmacies here use overseas meds as well, do your homework, $300 is crazy!

Well..... I pay 300 for 10 20mg pills. I break them in half as well. Apparently I am a chump.

[freshmaker]

Holy cow!!! I would be buying it from AR-R (Liquid Cia 30mL 30mg/mL) especially since it's on sale right now and you save $20.

What do you do with the liquid? Eat it?

[lovbyts]

Eat, drink or how ever you want to put it yeah and I have not hear anything except good reviews from AR-R cia

[zaggahamma]

Ut oh...price talk

[kelkel]

I guess that and no need for those worthless hammers around the house.

^^^that would be a ball-pene-is hammer!

[keep fightin]

OK, can we talk price? can we talk in general terms without mentioning a specific source? guess GD wont need a pry bar or a hammer anymore!

[lovbyts]

Ut oh...price talk

From what I understand as long as it's about legal prescriptions or OTC supplements it's allowed as long as it does not get out of hand.

[zaggahamma]

From what I understand as long as it's about legal prescriptions or OTC supplements it's allowed as long as it does not get out of hand.

HMMMMM i could have sworn i seen a post with legit pharm prices deleted out??????

doesnt matter to me either way REALLY but consistency WOULD be nice

and for the record...i was under the same understanding BUT.........

[Vettester]

OK, can we talk price? can we talk in general terms without mentioning a specific source? guess GD wont need a pry bar or a hammer anymore!

Gents, the discussion of prices as of late has become a touchy subject. Coming straight from the top, there are to be NO price discussions. However, also coming from the top, if there's an "item" that is coming directly from the doctor's office, then that's different, but there's a point where a line needs to be drawn.

So, talking prices in general needs to be avoided. I know it's a little confusing, as we've had civil discussions over the years that involve prices, and even various staff members get into the conversation. If we go by the rules that are in place to the entire site, then it would forbid any price talk at all. The HRT Forum has been regarded a little differently in some cases, being that the majority of us are maturely discussing matters from a clinical standpoint, with doctor supervision.

To conclude, it's a slippery slope, and depending on the subject and how it's articulated, any prices mentioned stand a chance to be reviewed and scrutinized; possibly causing the post to be edited and/or the thread to be closed. For me personally, from this point forward, I will no longer be discussing any prices on medications. Anytime that I have ever felt the need to make mention of a medication price, it has always been supported from a legal doctor/clinic. However, as jpk noted, there were some recent edits done on legit pharmacy prices (even small co-pays), which means there could be different interpretations on the matter. The closest I'll get to that might be lab work and/or the cost of a doctor screening / consultation.

[zaggahamma]

just answer this/these

a) can the price of a tv be talked about

b) and/or the price of what i pay for aspirin, whey, chicken breasts(as if)

c) or the price i pay for my arimidex (WITH LEGAL RX) at my local grocery store

d) all of the above

e) none of the above

[Vettester]

I am going to copy my last post and create a thread about the topic. JPK, if you want to do the same, please feel free to do so, and if other members and staff want to comment then there will be a dedicated thread to the subject. This might get overlooked being encompassed in a "No Sex Drive" thread.

BTW, I am curious with the price of chicken breasts in FL compared to CA

Apologies OP if things got off track with your thread. Hope your sex drive is on the way up!

[lovbyts]

Well we need to abide by the rules even if they are forever changing, that's just how it is and if you get told by a mod or admin it's against the rules be smart and just say OK. No reason for anyone to get banned over something like that.

[zaggahamma]

I am going to copy my last post and create a thread about the topic. JPK, if you want to do the same, please feel free to do so, and if other members and staff want to comment then there will be a dedicated thread to the subject. This might get overlooked being encompassed in a "No Sex Drive" thread.

BTW, I am curious with the price of chicken breasts in FL compared to CA

Apologies OP if things got off track with your thread. Hope your sex drive is on the way up!

found the thread

commented or at least times 2's flats(why type the same words)

tbh, i'm thinking i'm not in the minority about still being confused

also...wont lose any sleep either way...would like there to be a stand up CORRECT decision to be maid...without any JUDICIAL ACTIVISM

i aint gonna write no letters either

[gary nicholson]

i've been on hcg now for over 2 weeks now without any changes.when i first started the shots over 2 years ago the results were amazing but now im back where i was before i started as far as erections go. i keep thinking it must be a hormonal level problem but who knows. cialis does help

[steroid.com 1]

i've been on hcg now for over 2 weeks now without any changes.when i first started the shots over 2 years ago the results were amazing but now im back where i was before i started as far as erections go. i keep thinking it must be a hormonal level problem but who knows. cialis does help

It's way more then "hormonal" gary. Getting an erection is a very complex physiological and neurological process books could be written on it...and there have been.

Cialias (long half life and faster acting pde5i) combined with a low dose alpha-1 blocker like Doxazosin taken daily can have a significant impact on erection quality and on demand need.

[gary nicholson]

im in the process of getting these medications. hope they work for me as well as they have for you

[Nofinshline]

Cialias (long half life and faster acting pde5i) combined with a low dose alpha-1 blocker like Doxazosin taken daily can have a significant impact on erection quality and on demand need.[/QUOTE]

IT WORKS!!! Thanks Gdevine!!