Self Bleeding!

[BillyBob210]

Had to sign in to get in on this (don't sign in for much, but watch all). Thanks Bro. Been looking forward to the video. Not too difficult but I think I will stick with the blood bank until they wont have me anymore.

Excellent!

[Shol'va]

You don't watch True Blood You Are True Blood..Man are you serious? Every month? That's almost enough to make me think twice about another cycle....I said almost..

[GFA]

You don't watch True Blood You Are True Blood..Man are you serious? Every month? That's almost enough to make me think twice about another cycle....I said almost..

Once a month is nothing pfft! I have been giving blood 1x a week for the past month. I dont even feel the needles going in anymore.

Bass, when I go in they just take a big ass rubberband and wrap it around my arm. I will be going back in 2 weeks for blood work then will adjust schedule to keep my RBCs in check. I thought about going to 2 different blood banks so I could donate monthly but if insurance keeps paying, I have no probs going to the hospital instead.

High RBC didnt bother me until the day I felt like i was intoxicated from my hematocrit being at 55.

[Shol'va]

[QUOTE=GFA;6117693]Once a month is nothing pfft! I have been giving blood 1x a week for the past month. I dont even feel the needles going in anymore.

I thought once a month was the max one could give blood due to possible health reasons. But i guess not, if your giving it once a week.

[GirlyGymRat]

how do u know that u need to do this? From blood test results?

Say for instance someone was taking certain supplements, would the person know that they needed to let out some blood because they were feeling sluggish, weak, light headed or dizzy for example?

[Babyslim]

I can tell when I need to draw based on how a feel. But keeping an eye on your BP is a great way of knowing. Mine creeps up about 10 - 15 points when its time, i start feeling my heart kind of struggle almost, sluggish, an overall OFF feeling that's fairly profound. Goes away a few hours after i draw and drink plenty of water.

[Shol'va]

I can tell when I need to draw based on how a feel. But keeping an eye on your BP is a great way of knowing. Mine creeps up about 10 - 15 points when its time, i start feeling my heart kind of struggle almost, sluggish, an overall OFF feeling that's fairly profound. Goes away a few hours after i draw and drink plenty of water.

That feeling you are having is probably because you are low on blood from bleeding every week.

[Bonaparte]

That feeling you are having is probably because you are low on blood from bleeding every week.

Not if his BP is high. And he's not the guy getting phlebotomies weekly.

[Bonaparte]

how do u know that u need to do this? From blood test results?

Say for instance someone was taking certain supplements, would the person know that they needed to let out some blood because they were feeling sluggish, weak, light headed or dizzy for example?

Light headed/dizziness are not symptoms of high BP, but the opposite, if anything.
Check your BP first, then get bloodwork if you suspect that your hematocrit is high (which is rare for women, who more often tend to be anemic).

[Far from massive]

I do the same thing at home ( I have HepC so donating is not an option)

Here are some free tips, you do not need to use a needle anywhere near that large. The only reason they are used is to prevent damage to the blood during removal. Using a needle that large with a vacuum source actually puts you in danger due to the possiblity of colllapse of vessels and stress on the heart.

I was able to get 21 gauge infusion sets from a vet supply house this gives you two feet of sterile line on the end of the needle. Though I did have to pretend to be the prinicpal of the vet clinic.

Also I buy my tubing med grade and sterilize before use and dispose after, I know with the vacuum source keeping it going one direction its safe but safer is more bettererer... IMHO LOL

Anyway props on the video it was great to give guys an idea of just how easy this is to do at home.

[GirlyGymRat]

Light headed/dizziness are not symptoms of high BP, but the opposite, if anything.
Check your BP first, then get bloodwork if you suspect that your hematocrit is high (which is rare for women, who more often tend to be anemic).

Thx for the response. I googled high hematocrit and get it now....dah....I couldn't discern why this was necessary and thankfully, I struggle with low red blood count and won't have to do this

[bass]

I do the same thing at home ( I have HepC so donating is not an option)

Here are some free tips, you do not need to use a needle anywhere near that large. The only reason they are used is to prevent damage to the blood during removal. Using a needle that large with a vacuum source actually puts you in danger due to the possiblity of colllapse of vessels and stress on the heart.

I was able to get 21 gauge infusion sets from a vet supply house this gives you two feet of sterile line on the end of the needle. Though I did have to pretend to be the prinicpal of the vet clinic.

Also I buy my tubing med grade and sterilize before use and dispose after, I know with the vacuum source keeping it going one direction its safe but safer is more bettererer... IMHO LOL

Anyway props on the video it was great to give guys an idea of just how easy this is to do at home.

Hey FFM, was it you who helped guide me to do this few months back? i don't remember if it was you or someone else. anyway, 18 g. is really not a problem, its like doing SQ injections, no big deal, i just need better equipment and maybe a third hand!.

[bass]

BTW, i just donated blood yesterday, 16 g. needle and didn't feel anything! I'll do another draw myself within a month and hopefully this will put me back to normal and maintain it with just donating every two months. we'll see....

[bass]

You don't watch True Blood You Are True Blood..Man are you serious? Every month? That's almost enough to make me think twice about another cycle....I said almost..

LOL! bro, you don't have to worry about it if you're only cycling, once you stop you'll go back to normal on your own. high RBC and Hemoglobin for short periods is not a problem, prolonged for a year or more is.

[AXx]

BTW, i just donated blood yesterday, 16 g. needle and didn't feel anything! I'll do another draw myself within a month and hopefully this will put me back to normal and maintain it with just donating every two months. we'll see....

14ga suck as well. Hope all goes well for you sir!!!!

[bass]

14ga suck as well. Hope all goes well for you sir!!!!

thanks bro!

[GFA]

That feeling you are having is probably because you are low on blood from bleeding every week.

I am blood letting weekly because my hematocrit was 55 and its under the docs supervision in a hospital. Normal blood donations is once every 56 days for whole blood.

The reason for the weekly is because I was dizzy and felt intoxicated one day, I can only assume from high RBCs. Doc immediately started weekly blood lettings to get my RBCs down. He wants my hematocrit @45. I stopped the weekly, going in 2 weeks to get my blood work done again.

From there I will have to see how fast my RBCs creep back up and schedule lettings accordingly. It sucks but what can one do. I already stopped all test. Ill slow reintroduce TRT once BW is under control. I lost so much strength in the past month it sucks.

[bass]

I am blood letting weekly because my hematocrit was 55 and its under the docs supervision in a hospital. Normal blood donations is once every 56 days for whole blood.

The reason for the weekly is because I was dizzy and felt intoxicated one day, I can only assume from high RBCs. Doc immediately started weekly blood lettings to get my RBCs down. He wants my hematocrit @45. I stopped the weekly, going in 2 weeks to get my blood work done again.

From there I will have to see how fast my RBCs creep back up and schedule lettings accordingly. It sucks but what can one do. I already stopped all test. Ill slow reintroduce TRT once BW is under control. I lost so much strength in the past month it sucks.

man that really sucks. i am very interested is seeing how you do after this therapy, i am considering to have my doc refer me to a specialist and may do what you're doing, basically get a scrip for blood letting once a month. but i am hopping that after i get my levels to normal and donating once every two months will do the trick, i believe my problem was getting loaded with high doses from the start and my former clinic never mentioned donating blood and my levels became really high, even though i started donating once EOM it wasn't enough to get me down to mid normal, it only brought it down to high normal. i was put on 200 mgs test and 100 mgs Deca ew and 40 mg anavar ed along with B12 shots and AI's! then did few blasts along the way way too much drugs! so hopefully with my current protocol i can get my levels to normal and maintain them.

[GFA]

I'll post an update as soon as I get my bw done. I'm going to ask for a script to get test, e2
, lipids the full panel. I
Curious how stopping test impacted my levels.

I'm going to keep getting my vials of test tho and stock up. Never know when prices will change.

[JD250]

Good job Bassmaster!! Very helpful video.

[Pale1]

Can we get this one stickied!?

[Juced_porkchop]

I can tell when I need to draw based on how a feel. But keeping an eye on your BP is a great way of knowing. Mine creeps up about 10 - 15 points when its time, i start feeling my heart kind of struggle almost, sluggish, an overall OFF feeling that's fairly profound. Goes away a few hours after i draw and drink plenty of water.

I have never givin blood (other then for blood tests) and my BP is never high. I would never want to have to do that.
I take fish oil but other then that I dont eat and meat or fish at all. maybe thats why?
most here eat meat, shit most anywhere eat meat lol. (iron= RBC ?)


Man I still think that guy is crazy, Im dizzy just from thinking about the vid HAHAHA.
I not no issue with pinning. but doing that !!??!?! that guy is nuts lol

[Renholder]

Excellent video, Bass!

Thank you for sharing.

What kind of blood values are you having that makes you think/feel this is necessary? How do you feel if you don`t donate blood? What are the symptoms?

I have high hemaglobin, just below top range, but the doctors of course say it`s fine, but I don`t know for sure.

I fear I may have to undertake a similar process in the future. I was a blood donor and still want to be, but the rules are incredibly strict here in Norway and since I have been with a new sexual partner, I can`t donate blood before 3 months or so and that is if I`m in a steady relationship.

Thanks,

Renholder

[juice work]

its hard to do self bleeding and take a video at the same time, but i did my best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q1...ature=youtu.be

going to go cut my eyes out now....

[bass]

Excellent video, Bass!

Thank you for sharing.

What kind of blood values are you having that makes you think/feel this is necessary? How do you feel if you don`t donate blood? What are the symptoms?

I have high hemaglobin, just below top range, but the doctors of course say it`s fine, but I don`t know for sure.

I fear I may have to undertake a similar process in the future. I was a blood donor and still want to be, but the rules are incredibly strict here in Norway and since I have been with a new sexual partner, I can`t donate blood before 3 months or so and that is if I`m in a steady relationship.

Thanks,

Renholder

really! geeeeeez!!!!

okay, to answer your questions. my hemoglobin gets a tad above normal and same with RBC but my Hematocrit is few points above normal which i don't like. once every two months doesn't seem to be enough, the levels keep creeping up. when my levels get high i feel tired and my PVC's start acting up, don't like the feeling. I'd rather self bleed than die from stroke or heart attack. if i get a script my insurance wont pay and it costs about $90, cheaper to do it myself, and i don't have to worry about getting blue bruises or getting stuck in the muscle. funny i can do it with one hand and feel nothing and never go though the vein, but the idiots who do it on a daily basis always give me a blue bruise and stick me in the muscle! if i do this next time I'll take a better video and hopefully Admin can sticky it so people know how to do it if needed and don't have to struggle with this dilemma.

[Renholder]

Thanks, Bass.

Yes, the rules are very strict here in Norway. A young boy died from HIV that he received from blood donations in the late 80s. He was one among several. Because of this, the rules are very strict here.

Are your values above the range or just at another place than you like them to be?

Last time I drew blood I had this. Don`t think I have RBC.

Hematocrit 0,40-0,50: 0,48
Hb 13,4 - 17,0: 15,8

Hemaglobin has actually gone down the last year with me.

[bass]

if my numbers were like these then i won't need self bleeding. my last blood work showed,

RBC 5.85 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hematocrit 52.1 High % 37.5-51.0
Hemoglobin 16.8 g/dL 12.6-17.7

i know not very high but was about 4 weeks away from my next donation, i am sure they would have gone higher by then.

[SEOINAGE]

really! geeeeeez!!!!

okay, to answer your questions. my hemoglobin gets a tad above normal and same with RBC but my Hematocrit is few points above normal which i don't like. once every two months doesn't seem to be enough, the levels keep creeping up. when my levels get high i feel tired and my PVC's start acting up, don't like the feeling. I'd rather self bleed than die from stroke or heart attack. if i get a script my insurance wont pay and it costs about $90, cheaper to do it myself, and i don't have to worry about getting blue bruises or getting stuck in the muscle. funny i can do it with one hand and feel nothing and never go though the vein, but the idiots who do it on a daily basis always give me a blue bruise and stick me in the muscle! if i do this next time I'll take a better video and hopefully Admin can sticky it so people know how to do it if needed and don't have to struggle with this dilemma.

Seriously, I get some major damage from others when they stick me. Just did it myself and it almost instantly stopped bleeding and can't even see where the 18g needle went in. Thanks for the video, thought this needs a bump as well. Pretty easy and painless if anyone is considering it.

[Soar]

Stupid question but what make you need to do this?

[SEOINAGE]

Stupid question but what make you need to do this?

For me and my health. High rbc and hematocrit, bloods thick. Donation place is 2 hours away and something has prevented me from doing it the last two times I've been there. I get lethargic and feel crappy and winded easy when blood is thick.

[Soar]

For me and my health. High rbc and hematocrit, bloods thick. Donation place is 2 hours away and something has prevented me from doing it the last two times I've been there. I get lethargic and feel crappy and winded easy when blood is thick.

That is brutal. I don't think I could pull that one off. Defiantly more of a man then I could be lol

[unscarred]

Awesome thread here, bass. I have to keep an eye on my rbc, hb, and hct too. Talk about taking personal responsibility for one's own well-being, wow. It's great to know there are options out there in case any of us find ourselves in a similar (healthcare-neglected) situation.

[bass]

Seriously, I get some major damage from others when they stick me. Just did it myself and it almost instantly stopped bleeding and can't even see where the 18g needle went in. Thanks for the video, thought this needs a bump as well. Pretty easy and painless if anyone is considering it.

welcome to the club bro! glad this video helped. its really no big deal, I do much better job than most blood drives anyway, the only thing you need to make sure of is to sanitize everything before sticking your self. good job!

[jamotech]

Id say the only real danger in doing this, is doing it alone. The rare chance you pass out, for whatever reason, while that needle is in your arm you may bleed out.

[SEOINAGE]

Id say the only real danger in doing this, is doing it alone. The rare chance you pass out, for whatever reason, while that needle is in your arm you may bleed out.

Yeah my wife was willing to watch out for me, which surprised me cause she won't go near me during my injections.

welcome to the club bro! glad this video helped. its really no big deal, I do much better job than most blood drives anyway, the only thing you need to make sure of is to sanitize everything before sticking your self. good job!

Thanks, it really did. And I agree first try and better than about every other time I've ever been stuck their except by one nurse at my doctors office, that ones a privilege.

[jamotech]

Yeah my wife was willing to watch out for me, which surprised me cause she won't go near me during my injections.

Sounds like you got a good one!

[taeyeub]

Bass! Thank you for uploading this video
I am about to do self phlebotomy as well
what is the name of the pvc line you used?

[blacktoppete]

thanks for the tip!

Great video! I am def going to give it a try.

[Trific]

I recently came across..........Autohemotherapy (AHT).........which would give people something else to do with some of their blood when they self-bleed.....don't know if it truly does anything, but some people sure seem to think so and even if it's just a placebo effect, wouldn't one like a positive placebo effect?

[bass]

Bass! Thank you for uploading this video
I am about to do self phlebotomy as well
what is the name of the pvc line you used?

its 5/32 polyethylene tubing, any tubing will do as longs as its 5/32" diameter. you can get it from any hardware store.