HGH growth hormone treatment?

[SEOINAGE]

A lot of you guys taking HGH? I just got my blood work back.

IGF-I, ECL 160 ng/mL 53-331 Range


So the doctor is saying optimal is 300-350. And he is willing to write a script, downside is the cost, and no insurance coverage.


What would you guys do? Money is tight, but this expensive candy is tempting, I know I shouldn't consider it that but it kind of is, and I know it is a long term commitment. Anyways, my response I asked the nurse to talk to him about alternative treatments with HGH peptides etc, cause I know some doctors will use it as a cheaper method, and if he is comfortable doing this I will do so under his supervision, otherwise I would wait on treatment of hgh. Or then again I could do it on my own, but much rather have his expertise if he has any on it.

[bass]

when i got on TRT my IGF-1 went from low to way above normal, my last test showed 351 on scale of 87-238. HGH is expensive and risky! what was yours like before TRT?

[SEOINAGE]

when i got on TRT my IGF-1 went from low to way above normal, my last test showed 351 on scale of 87-238. HGH is expensive and risky! what was yours like before TRT?

Never knew before to even check it. Wouldn't be surprising if it was much lower than that. I actually was thinking it would turn up being high, kind of thought trt might do the same thing or who knows, I just wanted to find out what it actually was.

[SEOINAGE]

I better ask this question, can adrenal fatigue effect growth hormone as well?

[steroid.com 1]

As far as I know Adrenal Fatigue won't effect IFG-1...but everything in balance is key as we all know.

You are low and IGF-1 is best at the top of the reference range. I know it's expensive but I know guys who are using it and in combination with a well balanced TRT protocol and they say it's nothing short of MacDaddy!!!

Some of these guys said their libido went through the roof and erections that would make porn stars envious...not discounting what happens to your body when you train.

I have decent IGF-1 scores so I am not really a good candidate but would do it in a heart beat if needed.

[SEOINAGE]

Thanks, can always count on you two to give some good input. I will look into it further, call to the pharm tomorrow to get exacts on price and really see about it.

[kelkel]

Seoinage you're talking Sermorelin right, not actual HGH I assume? Actual growth requires you fit one of three specific elements and if it's just age related, then your doc has to do what's called a "provocative" test to satisfy requirements for issuing it (good luck.) Sermorelin on the other hand, is easily writeable by your doc.

Google Dr. Richard Walker and Sermorelin and you'll find great articles on the subject. He's very much a pioneer on the topic. One doc I'm seeing for a shoulder injury has encouraged me to go on Sermorelin. I plan on seeing him again very soon and speaking about protocols for it. I will let you know. For all intents and purposes though, it appears that GHRP6 and MOD-1-29 will do the same thing. Actually, I'll know what type of difference it makes at my next BW in October.

[SEOINAGE]

thanks, I was pretty sure she was talking about hgh, and said he would write a script just wanted to get my opinion on it and she wanted to tell me it was likely close to 200 bucks a month. But I could be wrong, and I have heard sermorelin isn't that great. I'm only 31 so don't see how that could be claimed as age related, no insurance is involved in this so it's not like i would be trying to qualify for coverage, they don't cover my trt so I wouldn't even bother trying with HGH. But from what I can tell GHRP6 is cheap, and have heard some docs claim it's better in a way. But would be interesting to see how that has been working for you. I didn't want to mess with peptides without knowing what I was looking like without it, and if it was great I wouldn't mess with it.

[kelkel]

Peptides are basically just strings of amino acids. By chance have you read the sticky in the HGH/IGF forum? If not do so. It will open your eyes a bit. Dr. Crisler is a proponent of GHRP6 and recommends it over Sermorelin actually.

kel

[EZ E]

I have been using Mod GRF 1-29 and GHRP-2 for almost 6 weeks and can definitely tell the difference. I feel better, not as tired at the end of the day, losing fat and I look a lot more 'full'. Looks like my strength is finally starting to increase some as well. If you go this route, just make sure you get a reputable supplier. There is a lot of fake/under-dosed product out there. If you want to learn more on these peptides Google 'datbtrue'.

[SEOINAGE]

Yeah, I wonder about some of the peptide suppliers, some are so dirt cheap it kind of makes you wonder, but why pay premium if it is legit.

So on a standard dose of HGH it would cost me about 125 bucks a month through my pharmacy. More than I would like to spend but dang near almost doable, but not quite, I could easily spend less elsewhere but wife is another story, she does fairly well compared to some women, but not nearly as careful with money as I am. I will let things be broken just to not spend money, probably a bad thing.

[SEOINAGE]

Ok time to look into it more, talked to nurse and doctor said I could do something like this, but no guidance on it. Other than mentioning I won't get the same effects as hgh, and that I should try one month on one month off, and he also mentioned secretogogues however you spell it. So I am wondering if he just isn't up to date on some of this stuff or what.

[SEOINAGE]

I cannot find mod grf 1-29 or cjc 1295 without dac, all I am finding is with dac, even on ARR. And then some sites I see something that looks right, but then not sure about it even being real. I swear arr and other sites had this before, am I blind?

[Doug350SD]

The cjc1295 Is on the arr peptides list

[SEOINAGE]

The cjc1295 Is on the arr peptides list

As being with DAC, and now i'm told I don't want anything labeled cjc, but need mod grf 1-29

[Bonaparte]

Your IGF-1 levels are fine. Unless money is no object, I wouldn't worry about it.

[SEOINAGE]

Your IGF-1 levels are fine. Unless money is no object, I wouldn't worry about it.

You may be correct. And I will likely take much discussion beyond this thread to the hgh forums. But at least now I know my levels aren't fantastic like some members. So possibly some type of treatment could benefit me decently.

My concern though now is the comparison between HGH and Peptides. When taking properly peptides can be much more potent but don't last as long, so you get a more natural pulse, but have to inject multiple times a day. Curious which really is better. HGH looks to last about 12 hours, do you even really want that? I know there are some healing benefits to some constant growth hormone , but from what research I can dig up it appears even one dose a day of peptides at night can be as effective as one hgh shot a day, and more effective for bodybuilding purposes.

Looking at costs though for the proper products needed to make peptides work, peptides would only be cheaper if done only once a day, or 3 small doses, it would be slightly under or 2 regular doses of peptides would equal cost of hgh at 2 iu a day. So costs are still high to do it right, kind of unfortunate, but which really is better? I'm almost wondering if HGH constantly is even healthy.

[Times Roman]

skip it!

unless you are a pro, then you already said you do not have the finances lined up for this costly treatment.

How much per IU can you buy it for at your pharm?

[SEOINAGE]

I think it was 2 dollars per IU, but forgot what brand it was, she had two to choose from. Some people spend more on carbonated drinks in a day.

[Die2BFit]

Normal is above 350ng. Example 30 year old in shape should be in the high 650ng range.

[SEOINAGE]

Normal is above 350ng. Example 30 year old in shape should be in the high 650ng range.

interesting, good to know if true.

[Schmooze]

I think it was 2 dollars per IU, but forgot what brand it was, she had two to choose from. Some people spend more on carbonated drinks in a day.

WHAT? $2.00 per IU, faaark, that's cheap compared to what we pay in Australia. No insurance covers HGH and the government only subsides it for stunted children or whatever it's called. It's about $400 for 72iu and some anti aging doctors are charging.......................................... .................................................. . $20-30 per IU. I was quoted 1 IU per day $800 per month....... get fuct.

[kelkel]

^^^Tell us what you really think schmooze! That's faaarking funny!

[MRNJ1992]

my bw came back today myIgf-1 was 170 and total T at 182. My doc will w rite the HGH script but little scared about taking it. My insurance will cover it. Only hae to make copay of 30$

[MRNJ1992]

Anyone have an idea of the dose needed on HGH? If the doc writes the script-whats the dose per day, every other day etc.....

[SEOINAGE]

I'm not sure 2 iu a day? That's what I based my monthly cost on, which is what I thought I heard about them. I took my first dose of peptides last night, needle was super dull because I had to keep injecting air in because I couldn't draw anything. Been debating filling a syringe with a few doses and then capping the lid and reusing but not if it hurts like that. Also got tiny similar to mosquito bite marks, but read the other day about why that can happen, so not a biggy, I only got a couple hours of sleep afterwards, then a couple more after being up for an hour or so, so unfortunately can't tell if I slept amazing or anything since it was so short.

[kelkel]

MRNJ your talking Sermorelin right, not actual rhGH?

[SEOINAGE]

hmm this make any sense? 3 peptide dosages in and the member already is more sensitive, more pre cum and cum, that normal? I wasn't expecting much in the way of sexual improvement, but maybe I'm imagining it.

[Renholder]

Are you already on TRT?

There are MANY things that can indirectly increase and normalize your IGF-1 production. Direct supplementation is a last resort if correcting other things does not help. Do not start this prematurely. That is my advice.

[SEOINAGE]

yeah on trt for 8 months. What else should I have corrected for the IGF-1 production? Started using a Cpap, and changed diet dramatically to eliminate foods that cause my immune system to be overactive. With that diet change and ai I lost 8 lbs of water retention and inflammation. And I think a large part of it is the diet because saturday I had three meals with almost everything i'm not supposed to have, and it made me squishy and puffy to the touch.

[Renholder]

yeah on trt for 8 months. What else should I have corrected for the IGF-1 production? Started using a Cpap, and changed diet dramatically to eliminate foods that cause my immune system to be overactive. With that diet change and ai I lost 8 lbs of water retention and inflammation. And I think a large part of it is the diet because saturday I had three meals with almost everything i'm not supposed to have, and it made me squishy and puffy to the touch.

I do not know, I only know that for many who are on TRT it picks up naturally. For example, how is your thyorid? I hope it is okay that I quote Dr Mariano:

Growth hormone is released from the brain. It travels to the liver where it stimulates the production of IGF-1. IGF-1 does most of the actions of growth hormone. IGF-1 is what is measured to give an idea of how much growth hormone one has. One can also do a 24-hour growth hormone urine measurement. Growth hormone is my last consideration in treatment. If given too early, it can cause significant problems. When everything else is addressed, it may improve a person's well being and function significantly. Growth hormone and IGF-1 production are determine may multiple other signals including thyroid hormone, testosterone , DHEA, norepinephrine, dopamine, pro-inflammatory cytokinbes, etc. Until problems in these areas are addressed, one doesn't know how much growth hormone can one natively produce.

[SEOINAGE]

My thyroid is poor, but have more labs for it coming soon. Have heard negatives of hgh, but peptides function differently.

[Renholder]

My thyroid is poor, but have more labs for it coming soon. Have heard negatives of hgh, but peptides function differently.

Well, this is simply my uneducated and clueless opinion, but adressing your thyroid seems like what you should be trying first anyway.

[SEOINAGE]

Well, this is simply my uneducated and clueless opinion, but adressing your thyroid seems like what you should be trying first anyway.

don't worry working on it. trying to bring function up without just replacement.

[xtitan1]

So Seionage what did you end up deciding about the HGH script? My IGF-1 is exactly the same number

[SEOINAGE]

So Seionage what did you end up deciding about the HGH script? My IGF-1 is exactly the same number

I picked up mod grf(1-29) and GHRP2, taking it minimum on an empty stomach before bed. Not going to mess with the HGH script for now. The trick is to find real mod grf(1-29), only two places I know of where it is really the real stuff. I also plan to take it post weight training and pre any cardio for the added bonus.

[SEOINAGE]

I have to say I really like peptides. Can't attribute any gains to them, other than I have felt really good lately, although once a day isn't quite enough. And before bed is a no go for me, I can't sleep. So it's post or pre work out depending on what I'm doing, and then in the morning. Unit improvements in a few regards, sensitivity and feel and a few others.

[Phased]

Peptides are worthless compared to gh. Hope this does not offend anyone but I've used gh for years, then tried peptides...zero results and pails in comparison to pharma grade gh.

I feel amazing on gh, almost to good to be true. Peptides, no enhanced well being. Just to name one of the many advantages of gh, I dont feel the need to ever go above 5iu if you have the real thing. I've seen muscle growth with as little as 3iu.

[SEOINAGE]

Peptides are worthless compared to gh. Hope this does not offend anyone but I've used gh for years, then tried peptides...zero results and pails in comparison to pharma grade gh.

I feel amazing on gh, almost to good to be true. Peptides, no enhanced well being. Just to name one of the many advantages of gh, I dont feel the need to ever go above 5iu if you have the real thing. I've seen muscle growth with as little as 3iu.

Where are you getting your peptides from and what types did you use and how? doses and frequency? As far as I have heard peptides are superior in certain regards, and you can combine the two for certain goals.

[Phased]

Where are you getting your peptides from and what types did you use and how? doses and frequency? As far as I have heard peptides are superior in certain regards, and you can combine the two for certain goals.

Done it all brother, ever way from Sunday, I just don't see it. Used all of them. Just being honest with my results from both.